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Reply #15 - Jan 9^th, 2021 at 8:17am

Belgarion wrote on Jan 9^th, 2021 at 8:06am:

cods wrote on Jan 9^th, 2021 at 7:29am:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 8^th, 2021 at 8:59pm:

Who among us has never been guilty of speeding? But we should really know better. Get rid of the hidden speed cameras, fit vehicles with interlocks and above all get more police on the roads.

maybe its time to give the LAWS of the ROAD to another group....the police are trained to do more than watch someones driving....

.what about a full time road patrol ?

... what about every car/truck being fitted with a camera......it would also show the drivers bad habits..

a camera with the speed also..

come on car manufacturers you can do it?

I think you are talking about a specialised 'Highway patrol' ? A good idea however I think it would just create another government department with a bloated bureaucracy competing for funding with the Police. I would like to see more resources put into the current police highway patrols than create an entirely new one.

it would also mean MORE FUNDING.....in the mean time what I am saying is Police are trained to catch CRIMINALS speeding isnt a crime YET

those resources should be keeping us safe.. not sitting on the side of the road for hours...

a highway patrol wouldnt cost near as much as a copper...anyway its just a thought.

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Reply #16 - Jan 9^th, 2021 at 8:43am

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 9:48pm:

Extremism can go both ways. This is on the lenient or soft side of extremism

The other day a young multicultural guy (coloured and maybe in his twenties) was sentenced to 18 months home detention

This is what he did …

In a Sydney tunnel he failed to slow down and slammed his car into a car in front of him resulting in the car in front being lifted up onto his bonnet, rolling and came to a sliding stop on it's side.

A young lady was driving the car in front and she sustained minor injuries which included a broken hand (according to the Channel 9 news report)

A third car pulled up and the driver offered assistance

The coloured guy responsible for the horrendous smash, who was seen clutching a bottle of beer, then proceeded to carjack the third car, with the help of his passengers, threatened the driver of the third car who offered assistance, at knife point

The offender and his passengers drove away in the hijacked car

18 months living with Mum and Dad getting washing done, meals cooked, bed made, TV, computer, floors cleaned, windows washed and his mess tidied up after him

Some sentence! What sort of message does this really send? No one is fair dinkum

What's the penalty for carjacking using a knife to threaten?

Here's an indication of what the penalty should be for the carjacking alone ….

A person guilty of ‘taking a motor vehicle with assault or with occupant on board’ will face a penalty of up to 10 years imprisonment under section 154C(1) of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW).
The offence also carries a ‘standard non-parole period’ of 3 years. This means that Parliament has indicated to Courts that a standard 3 years minimum full-time custody should be considered as a guidepost for this offence if it’s considered to fall in the middle level of objective seriousness by the Judge.

Diversity innit ... he might harm himself in jail. Roll Eyes

But bottom line is ...... our Magistrates are weak as piss ...

and our jails are full to overflowing.

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Reply #17 - Jan 10^th, 2021 at 1:31pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 9^th, 2021 at 8:43am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 9:48pm:

Extremism can go both ways. This is on the lenient or soft side of extremism

The other day a young multicultural guy (coloured and maybe in his twenties) was sentenced to 18 months home detention

This is what he did …

In a Sydney tunnel he failed to slow down and slammed his car into a car in front of him resulting in the car in front being lifted up onto his bonnet, rolling and came to a sliding stop on it's side.

A young lady was driving the car in front and she sustained minor injuries which included a broken hand (according to the Channel 9 news report)

A third car pulled up and the driver offered assistance

The coloured guy responsible for the horrendous smash, who was seen clutching a bottle of beer, then proceeded to carjack the third car, with the help of his passengers, threatened the driver of the third car who offered assistance, at knife point

The offender and his passengers drove away in the hijacked car

18 months living with Mum and Dad getting washing done, meals cooked, bed made, TV, computer, floors cleaned, windows washed and his mess tidied up after him

Some sentence! What sort of message does this really send? No one is fair dinkum

What's the penalty for carjacking using a knife to threaten?

Here's an indication of what the penalty should be for the carjacking alone ….

A person guilty of ‘taking a motor vehicle with assault or with occupant on board’ will face a penalty of up to 10 years imprisonment under section 154C(1) of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW).
The offence also carries a ‘standard non-parole period’ of 3 years. This means that Parliament has indicated to Courts that a standard 3 years minimum full-time custody should be considered as a guidepost for this offence if it’s considered to fall in the middle level of objective seriousness by the Judge.

Diversity innit ... he might harm himself in jail. Roll Eyes

But bottom line is ...... our Magistrates are weak as piss ...

and our jails are full to overflowing.

Yes, and there's something else I forgot to mention

This sentence wasn't completed, it should have been: "The offender and his passengers drove away in the hijacked car

and the car was later found burnt out"

Not hard to imagine what the good samaritan was thinking after that criminal event ... "I'll be very reluctant to stop to help anyone else in the future"

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Reply #18 - Jan 11^th, 2021 at 4:14pm

sadly it isnt just speed thats making every day harder..

[url][/url]https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts/man-punched-and-headbutted-has-teeth-knocked-out-in-violent-road-rage-attack-in-fairfield/news-story/d9b910952655d0c2cc742e4d47c6591a

Police are on the hunt for at least two men following a sickening road rage incident in western Sydney during which a man was headbutted and his teeth were knocked out.

A 31-year-old man was hospitalised after a black vehicle pulled in front of his red Mazda CX5 while travelling south on Polding Street, Fairfield at about 7.40pm on Sunday – causing him to swerve to avoid a collision.

The Mazda driver also had a 38-year-old female passenger in the car.

A short time later, both vehicles stopped at an intersection on Horsley Drive. The Mazda driver and his passenger walked up to the black vehicle, and an argument with the occupants followed.

Police believe two males from a third vehicle stopped by the Mazda occupants and then headbutted and punched the male driver. His teeth were knocked out in the process

The woman from the Mazda was also pushed when she tried to intervene.

The two vehicles left the scene, while the injured Mazda driver reported the incident at Fairfield police station a short time later.

He then attended Liverpool Hospital where he was treated for his injuries.

A police investigation has been launched and the general public is urged to come forward if they have information or dashcam footage of the incident.

what happens to these people when the police catch up with them??... I cant recall anyone going to jail yet and the violence is escalating..

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Reply #19 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 7:17pm

cods wrote on Jan 11^th, 2021 at 4:14pm:

what happens to these people when the police catch up with them??... I cant recall anyone going to jail yet and the violence is escalating..

Usually it's just a fine, or a fine and a light suspended sentence, if that

The guy in the opening post, after all the damage and injury he caused, plus stealing and burning a good samaritans car, got only 18 months home detention with his mum and dad - as if nothing had ever happened

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Reply #20 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 7:29pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 8^th, 2021 at 8:59pm:

Who among us has never been guilty of speeding? But we should really know better. Get rid of the hidden speed cameras, fit vehicles with interlocks and above all get more police on the roads.

a few more years and cars will drive themselves removing humans from the equation altogether ... then what will govco do to fill it's coffers

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10315 Gender:	Re: Reducing the road toll? Reply #21 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 9:13pm Reducing the road toll Top 10 highest speeds clocked by NSW cameras last year https://www.9news.com.au/national/top-10-highest-speeds-clocked-speeding-tickets... The highest speed was 244km/h in an 80km/h zone Wonder what the fine was for that
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Reply #22 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 10:01pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 9:48pm:

Extremism can go both ways. This is on the lenient or soft side of extremism

The other day a young multicultural guy (coloured and maybe in his twenties) was sentenced to 18 months home detention

This is what he did …

In a Sydney tunnel he failed to slow down and slammed his car into a car in front of him resulting in the car in front being lifted up onto his bonnet, rolling and came to a sliding stop on it's side.

A young lady was driving the car in front and she sustained minor injuries which included a broken hand (according to the Channel 9 news report)

A third car pulled up and the driver offered assistance

The coloured guy responsible for the horrendous smash, who was seen clutching a bottle of beer, then proceeded to carjack the third car, with the help of his passengers, threatened the driver of the third car who offered assistance, at knife point

The offender and his passengers drove away in the hijacked car

18 months living with Mum and Dad getting washing done, meals cooked, bed made, TV, computer, floors cleaned, windows washed and his mess tidied up after him

Some sentence! What sort of message does this really send? No one is fair dinkum

What's the penalty for carjacking using a knife to threaten?

Here's an indication of what the penalty should be for the carjacking alone ….

A person guilty of ‘taking a motor vehicle with assault or with occupant on board’ will face a penalty of up to 10 years imprisonment under section 154C(1) of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW).
The offence also carries a ‘standard non-parole period’ of 3 years. This means that Parliament has indicated to Courts that a standard 3 years minimum full-time custody should be considered as a guidepost for this offence if it’s considered to fall in the middle level of objective seriousness by the Judge.

We need to bring back hanging -
the only problem will be finding a hangman
with the stomach to do the job:

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10315 Gender:	Re: Reducing the road toll? Reply #23 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 10:16pm Police are on the hunt for a minimum of two males following a sickening road rage incident in western Sydney (Polding Street, Fairfield) throughout which a person was headbutted and his teeth had been knocked out. https://newsdeal.in/man-loses-teeth-in-sydney-road-rage-assault/
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Reducing the road toll? Reply #24 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 11:03pm Road rage aside. I have done millions of miles and it's rare to see an incident. We all trust each other sitting behind a ton of steel heading towards each other at a 100kph. Cars are probably as safe as they are ever going to be so defensive driving is the best way to go apart from driving a Land Cruiser with bull bars.
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Reply #25 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:05am

Johnnie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 11:03pm:

Road rage aside. I have done millions of miles and it's rare to see an incident. We all trust each other sitting behind a ton of steel heading towards each other at a 100kph.

Cars are probably as safe as they are ever going to be so defensive driving is the best way to go apart from driving a Land Cruiser with bull bars.

That makes me wonder why we have to pay more than $25,000 over our motoring life for CTP insurance plus the govt levy. I've done an advanced driving course, so if you and I were assessed individually, our premiums would probably be around $100 per year instead of a total of $400 or $500

That said, the latest car I just bought, a Kia, and it's not that old, has a badly designed electric power steering, it feels weird and sort of notchy while driving straight ahead, it's also far too direct, a few millimeters of rotation, and you're into the bush sort of thing. I'll be trading it in on something with hydraulic power steering. I tried everything with the Kia, new tires, wheel alignment, over-inflating the front tires slightly - nothing really worked to make the steering smooth and like normal. The 6th gear, which is an overdrive, is too high geared as well, it's hard to control down hills. Both the poor steering, and the excessively high gearing make the car dangerous in my opinion, I won't be keeping it, I'll take a loss and buy something else, something safer

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Reply #26 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:31am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:05am:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 11:03pm:

Road rage aside. I have done millions of miles and it's rare to see an incident. We all trust each other sitting behind a ton of steel heading towards each other at a 100kph.

Cars are probably as safe as they are ever going to be so defensive driving is the best way to go apart from driving a Land Cruiser with bull bars.

That makes me wonder why we have to pay more than $25,000 over our motoring life for CTP insurance plus the govt levy. I've done an advanced driving course, so if you and I were assessed individually, our premiums would probably be around $100 per year instead of a total of $400 or $500

That said, the latest car I just bought, a Kia, and it's not that old, has a badly designed electric power steering, it feels weird and sort of notchy while driving straight ahead, it's also far too direct, a few millimeters of rotation, and you're into the bush sort of thing. I'll be trading it in on something with hydraulic power steering. I tried everything with the Kia, new tires, wheel alignment, over-inflating the front tires slightly - nothing really worked to make the steering smooth and like normal. The 6th gear, which is an overdrive, is too high geared as well, it's hard to control down hills. Both the poor steering, and the excessively high gearing make the car dangerous in my opinion, I won't be keeping it, I'll take a loss and buy something else, something safer

In those millions of miles i have had a couple of very close calls.

I would set fire to that Kia, get the insurance and buy something that at least drives straight.

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Reply #27 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:01pm

Johnnie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:31am:

In those millions of miles i have had a couple of very close calls.

Were the close calls your fault or the fault of some idiots who don't deserve to have a drivers license?

Close calls don't initiate CTP insurance pay-outs, only injury to other people does. Close calls are only for conversation material in the pub, unless post traumatic stress disorder can be proved. A dash-cam video of the close call would be ideal for that

Johnnie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 12:31am:

I would set fire to that Kia, get the insurance and buy something that at least drives straight.

Criminal action is not my thing, I'll just trade it in, and warn people about the poor design of the cars steering and gear ratios

Reports are coming in from all over about electric power steering warning lights coming on, with different brands, even Toyota. Yep, the steering has a warning light, a confidence booster! The steering can lock up, at the very least it can be very hard to turn the steering wheel when the electrics fail. I've tried it when the car was stationary with the engine switched off - it was extremely difficult to turn the wheel, like something would break if any more pressure was applied

The Australian Standards Department must be getting brown bags under the table, they're certainly not doing their job

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Reply #28 - Jan 20^th, 2021 at 5:54pm

Reducing the Road Toll

Driver smashes into multiple cars during police pursuit

By Freya Noble • Senior Producer
4:41pm Jan 20, 2021

Driver of van ran red light, veered into car park, smashed into parked vehicles, was wrestled to ground by Police, escaped but wrestled to ground again

https://www.9news.com.au/national/bankstown-man-wrestled-to-the-ground-in-dramat...

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Reply #29 - Jan 20^th, 2021 at 7:32pm

Reducing the Road Toll

Driver charged after destroying luxury Mercedes attempting burnouts at wedding

By Olivana Lathouris • Associate Producer
4:01pm Jan 20, 2021

Driver doing burnouts at wedding in narrow street, guests standing around. The luxury Mercedes caught fire and was destroyed

https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-driver-charged-luxury-car-catches-fire-...

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