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I genuinely hope this isn't true...
Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:05pm

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Washington: The US Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court documents unsealed in federal court.

US District Judge Beryl Howell has released a heavily redacted order that described what she called a "bribery-for-pardon" investigation.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cash-for-pardon-prosecutors-probe-...

They wouldn't do that...would they?

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Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true...
Reply #1 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:08pm

Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:05pm:

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Washington: The US Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court documents unsealed in federal court.

US District Judge Beryl Howell has released a heavily redacted order that described what she called a "bribery-for-pardon" investigation.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cash-for-pardon-prosecutors-probe-...

They wouldn't do that...would they?

I hate to be doing this ( defending Trump). Its possible he knows, just as possible its some grifter with access and he doesn't know about it.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #2 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:08pm:

Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:05pm:

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Washington: The US Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court documents unsealed in federal court.

US District Judge Beryl Howell has released a heavily redacted order that described what she called a "bribery-for-pardon" investigation.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cash-for-pardon-prosecutors-probe-...

They wouldn't do that...would they?

I hate to be doing this ( defending Trump). Its possible he knows, just as possible its some grifter with access and he doesn't know about it.

Fair enough.

Still, from the same article...

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Separately The New York Times reports that Trump has discussed with advisers whether to grant pre-emptive pardons to his children, to his son-in-law and to his personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani.

I'll admit to a little confusion, here...

I mean, if they've done nothing wrong, why would they need to be pardoned...?

*shrugs*

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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 14879 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true... Reply #3 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:42pm Let's say this happened to Obama, the Republicans and the right would demand, even if he didn't know, he signed the order, the buck stops with him. I don't see why it should be any different for Trump. His team set the rules on the playing field.
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Reply #4 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 1:22pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:42pm:

Let's say this happened to Obama, the Republicans and the right would demand, even if he didn't know, he signed the order, the buck stops with him.

I don't see why it should be any different for Trump. His team set the rules on the playing field.

I do agree with that.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true...
Reply #5 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm

Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:05pm:

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Washington: The US Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court documents unsealed in federal court.

US District Judge Beryl Howell has released a heavily redacted order that described what she called a "bribery-for-pardon" investigation.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cash-for-pardon-prosecutors-probe-...

They wouldn't do that...would they?

Humpty's pardon of Flynn is corrupt, and has quid pro quo stamped all over it.

There is an expression I have come across. It is 'The Pardon Kiosk.' It is open for business. You roll up, get a bargain price, a mere Million in a brown paper bag handed to Humpty, for a full pardon.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10303 Gender:	Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true... Reply #6 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm Didn't know you guys were into conspiracy theories
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Reply #7 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:16pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm:

Didn't know you guys were into conspiracy theories

Which part is the conspiracy?

"Someone" investigated someone else because of potentially corrupt behaviour.

Another article I read says that no-one has been charged - yet - but that the investigation remains ongoing.

Hence the title of the thread "I genuinely hope this isn't true..."

No conspiracy theories. Just a mention of an article detailing a DOJ investigation into "possible criminal activity"...

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true... Reply #8 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:22pm Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm: Didn't know you guys were into conspiracy theories Not me. I am not buying this stuff about election fraud in the hundreds of thousands of votes, you, Bias?
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Mix_Master Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 999 Gender:	Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true... Reply #9 - Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:27pm Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:22pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm: Didn't know you guys were into conspiracy theories Not me. I am not buying this stuff about election fraud in the hundreds of thousands of votes, you, Bias? Touche!
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Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true...
Reply #10 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 4:16am

Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:22pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm:

Didn't know you guys were into conspiracy theories

Not me. I am not buying this stuff about election fraud in the hundreds of thousands of votes, you, Bias?

Fraud is only the cover, there will be some but not enough.

Issue is signature matching on postal ballots, if they get a judge to force a review that can have a real impact.

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Reply #11 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 6:35am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:08pm:

Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:05pm:

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Washington: The US Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court documents unsealed in federal court.

US District Judge Beryl Howell has released a heavily redacted order that described what she called a "bribery-for-pardon" investigation.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cash-for-pardon-prosecutors-probe-...

They wouldn't do that...would they?

I hate to be doing this ( defending Trump). Its possible he knows, just as possible its some grifter with access and he doesn't know about it.

Who said it was about Trump? My first thought was it went back to the Clinton days....

The way it's worded - it's a load of hot air and doesn't even point the finger at Trump - just one of those things that happened to be aired at this time - how convenient.

We all hold Scomo (never thought I'd find myself defending him) for the unlawful killings in 2007 in Afghanistan.....

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Reply #12 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 6:39am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 1:22pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:42pm:

Let's say this happened to Obama, the Republicans and the right would demand, even if he didn't know, he signed the order, the buck stops with him.

I don't see why it should be any different for Trump. His team set the rules on the playing field.

I do agree with that.

Doesn't say it happened during his presidency.... just to be fair here.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80190 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: I genuinely hope this isn't true... Reply #13 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 6:40am Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:22pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 2:01pm: Didn't know you guys were into conspiracy theories Not me. I am not buying this stuff about election fraud in the hundreds of thousands of votes, you, Bias?
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Reply #14 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:36am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 6:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:08pm:

Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2020 at 12:05pm:

Quote:

Washington: The US Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court documents unsealed in federal court.

US District Judge Beryl Howell has released a heavily redacted order that described what she called a "bribery-for-pardon" investigation.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cash-for-pardon-prosecutors-probe-...

They wouldn't do that...would they?

I hate to be doing this ( defending Trump). Its possible he knows, just as possible its some grifter with access and he doesn't know about it.

Who said it was about Trump? My first thought was it went back to the Clinton days....

The way it's worded - it's a load of hot air and doesn't even point the finger at Trump - just one of those things that happened to be aired at this time - how convenient.

We all hold Scomo (never thought I'd find myself defending him) for the unlawful killings in 2007 in Afghanistan.....

[quote]President Donald Trump dismissed the investigation conducted by his own administration as "fake news" in a tweet.[highlight]

I'm sure you can imagine Trump dismissing anything which might implicate a predecessor - esp. a Democrat predecessor - as "fake news"...Right?

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