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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #105 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 8:41am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 6:15am:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 10:46am:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 6:22am:
Do you think you need a PhD in soldering to understand that the price of electricity influences how much people use?



Soldering has got SFA to do with electricity generation in large scale power houses.

That's where he had worked for over 40 years.


So what?


You bought it up .... as a sarcastic put down for the responses he made to you claims.

Your claims are BS.

The same as your Union bashing.


I brought it up because you were attempting to make an appeal to authority, without understanding why you think this person has any authority on the matter.
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #106 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 12:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 8:41am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 6:15am:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 10:46am:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 6:22am:
Do you think you need a PhD in soldering to understand that the price of electricity influences how much people use?



Soldering has got SFA to do with electricity generation in large scale power houses.

That's where he had worked for over 40 years.


So what?


You bought it up .... as a sarcastic put down for the responses he made to you claims.

Your claims are BS.

The same as your Union bashing.


I brought it up because you were attempting to make an appeal to authority, without understanding why you think this person has any authority on the matter.


And you "think" you do?  Grin

Pharque me, talk about having a board with a lot of knowalls.....

and the moderator/owner is probably the biggest.
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #107 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 4:34pm
 
Would you like to have another go at finding something relevant in his longwinded email?
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #108 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 6:45am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 4:34pm:
Would you like to have another go at finding something relevant in his longwinded email?



No .... his email summed up the situation adequately for me

I asked him to put it in laymans terms

it was long winded because he's not as cliched, short & flippantly glib as you.

Obviously your life experiences in any field mean nothing, are worthy of nothing if you think his 40 odd years working in that industry mean he has no knowledge.

Anything you say/claim should automatically be classed as poo & drivel.....

not just because it is.
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #109 - Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:11pm
 
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it was long winded because he's not as cliched, short & flippantly glib as you.


It's because he didn't understand the question and was trying to make up for that by rambling on about something he did know about.
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #110 - Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:14am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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it was long winded because he's not as cliched, short & flippantly glib as you.


It's because he didn't understand the question and was trying to make up for that by rambling on about something he did know about.


Grin says the consummate hypocrite

there's nothing you don't know everything about ey?  Roll Eyes

Twat

Been to the walrus diving lately?
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #111 - Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:03pm
 
He was factually correct, for the most part, but completely oblivious to the point.

Perhaps you didn't know what to ask him. Hence my suggestion that you attempt to pull something relevant from his ramblings. There's no point me trying to figure out why he is so confused.
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #112 - Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:56am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:03pm:
He was factually correct, for the most part, but completely oblivious to the point.

Perhaps you didn't know what to ask him. Hence my suggestion that you attempt to pull something relevant from his ramblings. There's no point me trying to figure out why he is so confused.


You never have a point.

Just make BS statements.
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Reply #113 - Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:27pm
 
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no such thing as baseload power demand


Do you agree or disagree?
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #114 - Dec 17th, 2020 at 8:16am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:27pm:
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no such thing as baseload power demand


Do you agree or disagree?


What do you think? Roll Eyes
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #115 - Dec 17th, 2020 at 10:23am
 
Well - there is a base demand that never goes away... something like when everyone is asleep and the fridges run etc.  Thing is - a base load varies from hour to hour depending on many conditions such as weather, lockdowns, time of day, day of the week, and so forth.

Therefore a base load can only be estimated for a specific time and is a constant variable, and the only way it can be monitored is to constantly review the actual use at any given time.

Given modern technology, that is not an insurmountable task.

Base load, however, functions within an upper and lower limit.... ergo - there is a need to calculate how to provide that base load at any given time of day or night, and to have a significant reserve.

Capisce?  If we are discussing solar/wind input - obviously those are variable as well, so a constant monitoring process is mandatory with established backups that run 24/7, which, one day, may include mega storage from solar/wind.  That's the aim anyway.

Now that wasn't hard, was it?
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #116 - Dec 18th, 2020 at 12:26am
 
Jesus - that shut 'em up. What did I say... what did I say?   Grin Grin Grin

I didn't even mention that power usage was higher when most people are awake.... and the base load required at that time is higher ....  now if we could put solar in - say - the Sahara - and draw on it at will during our peak times....

Think about it - if we put solar and wind in WA and run it into a proper national link, we could feed the East before  the West even wakes up.... say Eastern peak kicks off at 7am - until 10 am EST the West is still on pre-peak....

Just go'a use ya loaf, guv .... the populated East could suck off (they'd love that) the Mid-West and West for hours for free...
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #117 - Dec 18th, 2020 at 7:55pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 17th, 2020 at 8:16am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:27pm:
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no such thing as baseload power demand


Do you agree or disagree?


What do you think? Roll Eyes


I think you realise how confused you are, so you dodge the question.
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #118 - Dec 18th, 2020 at 10:12pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2020 at 10:23am:
Well - there is a base demand that never goes away... something like when everyone is asleep and the fridges run etc.  Thing is - a base load varies from hour to hour depending on many conditions such as weather, lockdowns, time of day, day of the week, and so forth.

Therefore a base load can only be estimated for a specific time and is a constant variable, and the only way it can be monitored is to constantly review the actual use at any given time.

Given modern technology, that is not an insurmountable task.

Base load, however, functions within an upper and lower limit.... ergo - there is a need to calculate how to provide that base load at any given time of day or night, and to have a significant reserve.

Capisce?  If we are discussing solar/wind input - obviously those are variable as well, so a constant monitoring process is mandatory with established backups that run 24/7, which, one day, may include mega storage from solar/wind.  That's the aim anyway.

Now that wasn't hard, was it?


I think many get mixed up with Base load supply which is real and base load demand which is more tenuous.

I would think you could say that the base load supply number is designed to meet some expected base demand.

The Question is base load demand real ?

Answer who cares and why ?
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Re: no such thing as baseload power demand
Reply #119 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 7:53am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2020 at 7:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 17th, 2020 at 8:16am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:27pm:
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no such thing as baseload power demand


Do you agree or disagree?


What do you think? Roll Eyes


I think you realise how confused you are, so you dodge the question.


You're the confused knowall.
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