Australian Politics Forum - $15 Minimum Wage

Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	$15 Minimum Wage Nov 28^th, 2020 at 8:47pm One of the first policies of a Biden Administration should be to enact a national minimum wage of $15 and to allow the establishment of trade unions.
Back to top	The Progressive President IP Logged

rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: $15 Minimum Wage Reply #1 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 8:51pm Pretty sure trade unions already exist in the US.
Back to top	IP Logged

Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92258 Gender:	Re: $15 Minimum Wage Reply #2 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 10:49pm rhino wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 8:51pm: Pretty sure trade unions already exist in the US. Pretty sure trade unions don’t get to set federal minimum wages. I’m pretty sure they’d need to convince Congress to do that. You?
Back to top	IP Logged

Mortdooley

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6778
Texas Gulf Coast
Gender: male

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #3 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

Back to top

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. ~Ecc. 10:2

IP Logged

Marla Gold Member Online I really hate you Posts: 12821 Colorado Gender:	Re: $15 Minimum Wage Reply #4 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 5:18am rhino wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 8:51pm: Pretty sure trade unions already exist in the US. Yes and no. Both Democrats and Republicans have been dismantling them - more so with Republicans
Back to top	I am a kid in the nuthouse. I am a kid in the psycho zone. Psycho Therapy I am going to burglarize your home. IP Logged

Marla

Gold Member

Online

I really hate you

Posts: 12821
Colorado
Gender: female

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #5 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 5:21am

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

Why not, morty torty? Seeing you never worked a day in your miserable life you can do better than Koch-funded propaganda strawman arguments.

Back to top

I am a kid in the nuthouse. I am a kid in the psycho zone. Psycho Therapy I am going to burglarize your home.

IP Logged

Auggie

Gold Member

Offline

The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #6 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 4:30pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

Donald Trump: "Alabama is different from New York...."

Back to top

The Progressive President

IP Logged

rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: $15 Minimum Wage Reply #7 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 8:50pm Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 10:49pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 8:51pm: Pretty sure trade unions already exist in the US. Pretty sure trade unions don’t get to set federal minimum wages. I’m pretty sure they’d need to convince Congress to do that. You? rarrrrr, in a mood are we dear?
Back to top	IP Logged

rhino

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #8 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 8:51pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

what happens Mort is that people spend more if they earn more. Guess what that creates?

Back to top

IP Logged

Mattyfisk

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 92258
Gender: male

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #9 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:36pm

rhino wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 8:51pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

what happens Mort is that people spend more if they earn more. Guess what that creates?

I'd say it creates demand for their products and services.

You?

Back to top

IP Logged

Mortdooley

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6778
Texas Gulf Coast
Gender: male

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #10 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 10:47pm

rhino wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 8:51pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

what happens Mort is that people spend more if they earn more. Guess what that creates?

You almost have a point, if you pay less in taxes more income is available to spend and the economy benefits. If a business raises prices because of higher wages they usually lose sales. If it costs more for child care it may make more economic sense to quit a job to stay home. An employer would have to try to raise wages to keep those employees and become less competitive as a result. In many ways a higher minimum wage will just price labor out of many markets, it will also contribute to monetary inflation.

Minimum wage is starting wage for the young to prove their worth, it was never intended for careers. If you never get paid more than minimum wage you know what your time is worth! If you want to get paid more, go someplace where you are worth more to an employer!

Back to top

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. ~Ecc. 10:2

IP Logged

Mattyfisk

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 92258
Gender: male

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #11 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 11:22pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 10:47pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 8:51pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

what happens Mort is that people spend more if they earn more. Guess what that creates?

You almost have a point, if you pay less in taxes more income is available to spend and the economy benefits. If a business raises prices because of higher wages they usually lose sales. If it costs more for child care it may make more economic sense to quit a job to stay home. An employer would have to try to raise wages to keep those employees and become less competitive as a result. In many ways a higher minimum wage will just price labor out of many markets, it will also contribute to monetary inflation.

Minimum wage is starting wage for the young to prove their worth, it was never intended for careers. If you never get paid more than minimum wage you know what your time is worth! If you want to get paid more, go someplace where you are worth more to an employer!

Right. Go and flip burgers at some other joint. Better still, buy the restaurant and pay yourself more.

Don't come crying to us.

Back to top

IP Logged

Mortdooley

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6778
Texas Gulf Coast
Gender: male

Re: $15 Minimum Wage
Reply #12 - Nov 30^th, 2020 at 1:15am

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 11:22pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 10:47pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 8:51pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 2:10am:

So you think every business can pay a doubled minimum wage and stay in business. All it will do is make automation a cheaper alternative! Your fast food will be ordered from a kiosk or over your phone, prepared by a machine and the only employee will be the person feeding the machine. Inflation will devalue wages until business can afford $15 per hour.

what happens Mort is that people spend more if they earn more. Guess what that creates?

You almost have a point, if you pay less in taxes more income is available to spend and the economy benefits. If a business raises prices because of higher wages they usually lose sales. If it costs more for child care it may make more economic sense to quit a job to stay home. An employer would have to try to raise wages to keep those employees and become less competitive as a result. In many ways a higher minimum wage will just price labor out of many markets, it will also contribute to monetary inflation.

Minimum wage is starting wage for the young to prove their worth, it was never intended for careers. If you never get paid more than minimum wage you know what your time is worth! If you want to get paid more, go someplace where you are worth more to an employer!

Right. Go and flip burgers at some other joint. Better still, buy the restaurant and pay yourself more.

Don't come crying to us.

Minimum wage is starting wage, not a career choice! We don't even need a minimum wage, It the pay is too small no one will take the job! The market will decide what wages should be.

Back to top

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. ~Ecc. 10:2

IP Logged

Marla Gold Member Online I really hate you Posts: 12821 Colorado Gender:	Re: $15 Minimum Wage Reply #13 - Nov 30^th, 2020 at 2:03am You have no clue as to how basic economics work, morty torty. The Texuun educational system, everybody.
Back to top	I am a kid in the nuthouse. I am a kid in the psycho zone. Psycho Therapy I am going to burglarize your home. IP Logged

AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: $15 Minimum Wage Reply #14 - Nov 30^th, 2020 at 6:55am Mortdooley wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 1:15am: The market will decide what wages should be. The Mexicans will take those low-wage jobs, Mortee. And Republicans just love to hire them too.
Back to top	“Jerry, just remember: It’s not a lie … if you believe it.” George Costanza IP Logged