aquascoot wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 1:24pm:


I know, dear, but you've been championing all those bots for the last four years as "the new paradigm" with "the noble Donald", in cult-like terminology, at the helm.

The Internet Research Agency was a tool used by Putin to get the noble Donald into the White House. It employed Russians in an office in London, gave them crash courses in American lingo and put them to work in campaigning for Mr Trump.

It relied on Republican polling sent to the Russians by Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign chairman. Roger Stone was also influential in exchanging info. The DNC email hack was a separate side project by Kremlin generals, but the IRA went through those emails, published by Wikileaks, for ideas. They acted together, under orders from the rogue, anti-Western state that Putin runs.

The smart Russians who wanted polarisation wanted the noble Donald in office, and they spent a lot of money to achieve this aim. Russia under Putin, remember, has a policy of military expansion. The noble Donald has a policy of US isolationism. Putin despised Hillary's internationalism and put every chip he had on Trump.

Sewing Western chaos and polarisation is not some random project, it's a political one. Putin wants the former Soviet satellite states back, many now under the protection of NATO. He also wants a bigger slice of the Middle East, now in Syria, allied with Iran.

Putin has never kept these things secret. In Trump, he saw the closest ally he'll ever have. Even before the inauguration, Trump had Flynn sit down with the Russian ambassador to discuss the lifting of Obama's sanctions, then over Russian occupation of the Ukraine, more added when Russia hacked the DNC, and later passed by a Republican Congress to prevent Trump overturning them.

Trump's current hissy fit over RIGGED elections is the end of just one chapter in the psychological warfare we're discussing. Putin's aim is to undermine the Western global order.

This is a secular order, heavily reliant on faith in democratic systems. It's been in place since the end of WWII, and saw a shift at the end of the Cold War. Democracy only triumphed over fascism with the support of the Soviets, who eventually collapsed under their own weight. Putin rose from the chaos of the transition to democracy in Russia, and quickly established a quasi-fascist regime. He then deployed the cold war tactics of the KGB, psychological warfare against the Western powers.

Trump has always been a big fan, as he is of most dictators. Trump has no love for democracy, which he sees as purely transactional, paying politicians to get things done. His base, influenced by Putin's disinformation, has also been shaped by the work of another geopolitical player: Murdoch.

Putin's efforts to sow chaos and disinformation were made mainstream by Fox News. The big Fox stars - Hannity, Tucker and O'Reily before them have been singing Putin's praises for years. Bannon is also a fan. Breitbart published pro-Putin propaganda straight from the source. Cashed up with funds from big-money players like the Mercers, operatives in the US were able to "popularise" their political ideology, first through the Tea Party, then the Alt Right. They settled, albeit reluctantly at first, upon their 2016 messiah, Trump.

In 2020, the Republican National Congress showed just how much Trump has taken over the party. The keynote speakers were all Trumps. The fireworks at the end spelt, not USA, but TRUMP. Donald Trump, helped initially by Putin and his Internet Research Agency, has taken over conservative politics in the US almost entirely, and he now has no idea what to do with it. Having lost his presidency, they likewise have no idea what to do with him.

For Putin, he's served a purpose. Putin never lost the crippling UN sanctions Flynn promised to overturn, but he's managed to sow the seeds of chaos masterfully. Surely, Putin could never have conceived of the race riots, Proud Boys, the "good and bad people on both sides" that he helped to inspire through all that fake news and manipulation. Putin might have helped with the script, but Trump delivered his own lines. 

But what about you, Aquascoot? Now Trump's gone, where do you go? Despite all that hope you placed in him, Trump achieved nothing - worst economy in years, crippling debt, a pandemic that spread largely because your executive-styled leader/hero failed to act.

The big government guys are back in power, and people want this. They want government to step in and help fix their economies and their health and their lives. The pandemic has brought that point home to all - people want their governments' help more than ever before.

What do you do now? 

the IRA is NOT pro trump.

it is just pro hate.

social media polarisation may demolish western democracies.

china and russia are onto it  and they will weaponise internet social media outrage with fake news.

look at this site.

after interacting would you say the average punter is more or less falling into the 'cohesive society".

is it drawing people together or increasing polarisation?

free diver may be a 17 yo kid in St petersburgh 

aquascoot wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 7:00pm:


A match made in hell.

No sorry to rain on your parade carnell but that is not true

The objectives of Russian and Chinese internet trolls is to create polarization in the West

They don't really care who wins

They are massive amplifiers of the extremes on the left and the right

In the hope of creating a divided society

In this they are certainly becoming successful

Russian trolls on Twitter controlled the second largest number of accounts sharing videos of George Floyd

They were the second largest number of accounts sharing videos of widespread looting

Their sole objective is to have everybody taking up arms against everybody else

The narrative that the Russians are supporting trump was probably started by the Russian bots themselves in order to create more dysfunction in a Western democracy

You have been played goodsir

when the IRA are starting up groups such as BlackUSA and organising rallies.
when they are promoting and sharing videos of george Flloyd,

they arent supporting trump.

they are supporting outrage (and the devisiveness that goes with it).

they dont care about trump or jo.

they just want everyone screaming at the other side because it affects productivity

its much easier to take down america in that way then to take on the military (which would unite america)

look at a poster like marla.

1000's of posts and every one designed to cause the right to become crazier and more outraged.

there is every possibility marla is a 18 yo male university student from moscow earning a bit of cash on the side to amplify the division

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:



Do you agree that the Chinese and  Russians are going to  have fake accounts on Western social  media and political forums whose aim is to increase Western polarisation

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 12:26pm:


They did it to get Trump in power. They did it to turn the left on themselves. Why are you even arguing this? It’s in the source you posted.

Here’s another.

Quote:
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-trolls-targeted-black-us-voters-in-2016-says-repor...

Here’s another.

Quote:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/the-russian-troll-farm-that-weaponized-f...

And another.

Quote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49987657

The last quote comes from the Republican-controlled senate’s own report into Russian election interference. It concluded, as everybody knows, that the Russians did it to get Trump in.

This is no secret, dear. I found these sources in the first few links of a Google search using the words, “BlackUSA Internet Research Agency.” They’re reputable, fact-checked sources. One quotes evidence from the US Senate’s own investigation.

I’ve quoted you the relevant parts. I’ve even highlighted the relevant words: the Russians did it to discourage certain communities from voting and from supporting Hillary Clinton. I couldn’t have made it any easier to understand.

The Internet Research Agency “weaponised” the far-right by rallying them around Trump. They even sent Russians to Trump rallies carrying a trailer with an effigy of Hillary in a cage: LOCK HER UP.

Stirring stuff indeed, no?

While they were doing that, they were busily infiltrating groups such as Black Lives Matter to spread rumours about Hillary. They started a Facebook page called Black Matters. They posted content titled “Our Votes Don't Matter," "Don't Vote for Hillary Clinton" and "A Vote for Jill Stein is Not a Wasted Vote”.

Jill Stein was running for the Greens. Cunning, no?

They did all this, as everybody knows, to get Trump in. Now I know you’d like to divert from the sad results of the 2020 election. I know you’d like to pretend the last four years of social and racial division in America has nothing to do with the Donald, noble capitalist, Superior Man and traveller on the “narrow path to success”. I know you think that whenever the subject of racial division comes up, the noble Donald can look justifiably hurt and say, “who, me?”

I know you’d like to pretend the Russians did it, or exiled Ukrainian oligarchs, or (God knows how) the Chinese. But do you know?

That’s not possible. The Americans did it, dear, and they did it all, with the support of the IRA, through the clueless, bungling, puppet of a prez, Donald J Trump.

So stop talking krap. You know, everybody knows.