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Reply #30 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 2:11pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 3:28am:

Declare the whole election null and void!

Run another election, this time with paper ballots and voter ID only. Every polling station overseen by both parties. You cannot overturn 250 years of a Republic with a fraudulent election stolen by fanatics.

Ditto

You're going to lose the Republic if the cheating Democrats and the globalist Rinos keep getting in. Your Constitutional rights will diminish and you'll be told what to say and think. You'll become like high taxed socialist Australia because Western globalists all have the same socialist policies. The traditional Americans will be derided (if they're not already) and new immigrants praised (easily fooled for political reasons)

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Reply #31 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 2:59pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 2:11pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 3:28am:

Declare the whole election null and void!

Run another election, this time with paper ballots and voter ID only. Every polling station overseen by both parties. You cannot overturn 250 years of a Republic with a fraudulent election stolen by fanatics.

Ditto

You're going to lose the Republic if the cheating Democrats and the globalist Rinos keep getting in. Your Constitutional rights will diminish and you'll be told what to say and think. You'll become like high taxed socialist Australia because Western globalists all have the same socialist policies. The traditional Americans will be derided (if they're not already) and new immigrants praised (easily fooled for political reasons)

So, the two of you are saying that, because you don't like the result, the election should A) be re-run, and B) force everyone to go back and vote in-person, while a pandemic - one which has killed 250,000 Americans - is going on?

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Reply #32 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 5:18pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 1:20am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 27^th, 2020 at 9:58pm:

Mix_Master wrote on Nov 27^th, 2020 at 1:25pm:

I see that Trump is ready to leave the White House"if the electoral college votes for Biden."

I know, right? How unfair is that? Apart from six million votes and all those electoral college seats, Mr Trump won the erection.

Why should Mr Trump have to go cap-in-hand to these morons? Did he not win fair and square?

Don't answer that, Mix. You let the leftards say something for once.

WITCH HUNT!

Try getting a strait answer about the vote. One site claims a little over 157,000,000 registered voters. Over 138,000,000 voted this time. 80,000,000 voted for Biden, 74,000,000 voted for Trump. Some even voted third party. 65% of registered voters actually voted. The math doesn't add up!

Oh, I know. Amazing what happens when you make it easier for people to vote.

You should have tried it earlier. Who knows? Maybe last election Hillary would have lost by more. Mr Trump might have even won the popular vote.

Year 9 maths, innit.

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Reply #33 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 5:33pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 12:46am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 12:27am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 12:02am:

Every election is a faithless election. A choice between a party you loathe and a party you really, really hate. Time for fascism to make a welcome return.

People must really really hate Sleepy Joe, Homo. I mean, look how many people voted for him.

So unfair.

About 80 million eligible voters didn't cast. Over 70 million people voted for Trump. Biden convinced just over a third of voting Americans. Historically, that's a resounding victory. Verily, demokracy is dead. May it rest in f.u.c.k.e.n peace.

The US doesn't call itself a democracy, Homo, just ask Panther.

But how long do you think Mr Trump's self back-patting's going to last, historically speaking?

Will you be telling your grandkids, gee, back in 2020, Mr Trump got the second highest number of votes?

Or will you be reminiscing about a one-term prez who advised his chief scientists, in the midst of a pandemic, to test injections of disinfectant to do a number on the lungs and was only erected the first time because his cause, as you yourself said, "let's get real - it's all about race"?

We will remember him. You?

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Reply #34 - Nov 28^th, 2020 at 6:21pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 3:28am:

Declare the whole election null and void!

Run another election, this time with paper ballots and voter ID only. Every polling station overseen by both parties. You cannot overturn 250 years of a Republic with a fraudulent election stolen by fanatics.

Great idea, Rich. If only Mr Trump’s creditors had said that when he lost the Taj Mahal.

Buy another casino, but this time with cheaper unregulated junk bonds, an unlimited line of credit, and no pesky gaming authorities.

Do you know? If the US stock market didn’t crash and the government didn’t put more laws in place, there’s every chance the Donald would have done just that. Instead, he went bankrupt and defaulted on his debts.

In one case Trump just lost just recently, observers were complaining about not being close enough to watch the count due to all the pesky covid restrictions. They were asked why they didn’t just watch it on the video screens they were seated in front of.

Oh.

In another case, voters complained another county contacted voters to fix votes they’d put in the wrong envelope by mistake. Unfair! They wanted the other votes disqualified. The judge said the counties made the rules and asked them why they didn’t put their vote in the right envelope.

Ah.

But do you know? Despite everyone talking about voter machines and software switching votes at the flick of a switch, I don’t think that one’s ever been taken to court. Mr Trump and Rudy and Sidney Powell keep promising to, but they somehow keep forgetting. It’s all going to come out, they say, you’ll see. So why won’t they take it to court?

Electronic voting is paper voting, you just touch boxes on a screen instead of using a pencil. When you’re finished, you press a button and it prints out your paper vote. These are then placed in a ballot box and counted with all the rest. Before you stick your ballot in the box, you’re supposed to read what you just put on the screen. If you made a mistake, you can go back and fix it.

Cunning, no? Electronic voting is considered much more reliable than pencil voting, particularly in US elections with multiple votes held simultaneously for county officials, sheriffs, DAs, dog catchers, even judges, all held on the same day. Those votes are still counted on paper ballots so there is a record.

That’s why Rudy’s not complaining about Dominion and other electronic voting systems before a judge. He’s just not that dumb.

You?

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Reply #35 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 12:48am

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 12:46am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 12:27am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 28^th, 2020 at 12:02am:

Every election is a faithless election. A choice between a party you loathe and a party you really, really hate. Time for fascism to make a welcome return.

People must really really hate Sleepy Joe, Homo. I mean, look how many people voted for him.

So unfair.

About 80 million eligible voters didn't cast. Over 70 million people voted for Trump. Biden convinced just over a third of voting Americans. Historically, that's a resounding victory. Verily, demokracy is dead. May it rest in f.u.c.k.e.n peace.

The US doesn't call itself a democracy, Homo, just ask Panther.

But how long do you think Mr Trump's self back-patting's going to last, historically speaking?

Will you be telling your grandkids, gee, back in 2020, Mr Trump got the second highest number of votes?

Or will you be reminiscing about a one-term prez who advised his chief scientists, in the midst of a pandemic, to test injections of disinfectant to do a number on the lungs and was only erected the first time because his cause, as you yourself said, "let's get real - it's all about race"?

We will remember him. You?

He's just another in a line of powerful men sodomising the a.r.s.e off humanity. Let's talk about Nixon or Truman or Wilson or a couple of Bushes or...you get the picture.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131469 Gender:	Re: Faithless Electors. Reply #36 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:58am A recount in Wisconsin’s largest county demanded by President Donald Trump’s election campaign ended on Friday with the president-elect, Joe Biden, gaining votes. Joe Biden gains votes in Wisconsin county after Trump-ordered recount Lol
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Reply #37 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:01am

Faithless electors is not Trumps plan, he wants a contested electoral college. Now it is unlikely that he will get there but there are multiple paths...

It all hinges on getting Biden below 270 EC votes, if that happens then the vote is done in the House by State Delegation (each state has one vote), there are more R than D states so Trump would win.

Basically he has to get either the state legislators or the SCOTUS, not to declare him the winner just invalidate state delegations to the EC voting for Biden. R State Legislators would take back the power to appoint delegates, they don't have to vote for Trump just not vote for Biden. Only takes 3 states like Pen, Ari, Nev to not certify and that would reduce Biden to 269.

Honestly i don't really like Trump on a personal level, but him winning is not an impossibility just unlikely...Biden losing after getting so many more votes and being declared the winner by the media would be really funny tho.

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Reply #38 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:42am

Anthony Claydon wrote on Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:01am:

Faithless electors is not Trumps plan, he wants a contested electoral college. Now it is unlikely that he will get there but there are multiple paths...

It all hinges on getting Biden below 270 EC votes, if that happens then the vote is done in the House by State Delegation (each state has one vote), there are more R than D states so Trump would win.

Basically he has to get either the state legislators or the SCOTUS, not to declare him the winner just invalidate state delegations to the EC voting for Biden. R State Legislators would take back the power to appoint delegates, they don't have to vote for Trump just not vote for Biden. Only takes 3 states like Pen, Ari, Nev to not certify and that would reduce Biden to 269.

Honestly i don't really like Trump on a personal level, but him winning is not an impossibility just unlikely...Biden losing after getting so many more votes and being declared the winner by the media would be really funny tho.

It's the higlighted bit which should have people worried, IMHO.

"If" Republican-aligned States Legislatures do as you've suggested above, what does that say about "the will of the people" in U.S democracy?

You'd hope that if they did such a thing, they'd be wiped off the map in any subsequent elections...it would likely be the only lesson they'd understand.

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Reply #39 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:58am

Constitutionally the right to appoint Electoral college delegates reside with the state legislators, it always has, many states did not have elections at all for the first few Presidential elections. If the states legislators decide they don't believe, trusts or are suspicious of the results than they are within their constitutional rights to change from what they vote was. If people don't like it they can vote them out. It is unlikely they will do so, unless they feel it is better electorally for them to do it rather than not.

Which is why D's should want to clear and answer every R issue with a clear response.

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Reply #40 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 9:58am

Anthony Claydon wrote on Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:58am:

Constitutionally the right to appoint Electoral college delegates reside with the state legislators, it always has, many states did not have elections at all for the first few Presidential elections. If the states legislators decide they don't believe, trusts or are suspicious of the results than they are within their constitutional rights to change from what they vote was. If people don't like it they can vote them out. It is unlikely they will do so, unless they feel it is better electorally for them to do it rather than not.

Which is why D's should want to clear and answer every R issue with a clear response.

The trouble with this, is that the Republicans will come up with an "issue". When it's answered/debunked/whatever, the Republicans come back with two more issues. When they're dealt with, they come back with four more...see where this is going?

Put simply, the Democrats "stole" the election, in the minds of Republicans. And no amount of evidence to the contrary (or the lack of supporting evidence) will change their minds.

Come the next election, Republicans - particularly the "MAGA" crowd - will still be decrying this "stolen" election, despite having had dozens of meritless legal challenges summarily - and rightly - dismissed.

The "Ds" can't win...

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Reply #41 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 9:58am

Anthony Claydon wrote on Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:58am:

Constitutionally the right to appoint Electoral college delegates reside with the state legislators, it always has, many states did not have elections at all for the first few Presidential elections. If the states legislators decide they don't believe, trusts or are suspicious of the results than they are within their constitutional rights to change from what they vote was. If people don't like it they can vote them out. It is unlikely they will do so, unless they feel it is better electorally for them to do it rather than not.

Which is why D's should want to clear and answer every R issue with a clear response.

The problem with that way of thinking is in this new world, those who didn't expect that from the R's have no right to ask that of the D's.

And if they don't like that, they should be told "bugger your feelings".

The Dems have always been weak trying to do the right thing, adhering by the "honour system" and trying to bring a certain base level of respect and discourse.

That should end.

If the Republicans can't do it, the Dems shouldn't have to.

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Reply #42 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 7:20pm

Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

Anthony Claydon wrote on Dec 1^st, 2020 at 8:58am:

Constitutionally the right to appoint Electoral college delegates reside with the state legislators, it always has, many states did not have elections at all for the first few Presidential elections. If the states legislators decide they don't believe, trusts or are suspicious of the results than they are within their constitutional rights to change from what they vote was. If people don't like it they can vote them out. It is unlikely they will do so, unless they feel it is better electorally for them to do it rather than not.

Which is why D's should want to clear and answer every R issue with a clear response.

The trouble with this, is that the Republicans will come up with an "issue". When it's answered/debunked/whatever, the Republicans come back with two more issues. When they're dealt with, they come back with four more...see where this is going?

Put simply, the Democrats "stole" the election, in the minds of Republicans. And no amount of evidence to the contrary (or the lack of supporting evidence) will change their minds.

Come the next election, Republicans - particularly the "MAGA" crowd - will still be decrying this "stolen" election, despite having had dozens of meritless legal challenges summarily - and rightly - dismissed.

The "Ds" can't win...

I think nobody wins and everyone is poorer for it.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 19623 Perth Gender:	Re: Faithless Electors. Reply #43 - Dec 1^st, 2020 at 7:41pm The Republicans have already shown they are hypocrites and liars....Anything is possible???
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