Honestly rhino, using the "I've been there, so I know" debating method is one of the most pathetic forms of argument.
Its lazy and gives you the delusion that you don't have to make the effort of prosecuting an actual argument with actual evidence.
When were you there? Where exactly did you go? What social or professional circles did you converse in? I highly doubt you experienced all regions and all demographics that makes up the huge and disparate Indonesian society. You must also acknowledge that the context of one's visit to a country - such as the nature of the work or which particular people you associate with during your time there - skews your viewpoint and undoubtedly makes you less objective about your understanding of the society than you would be looking from the outside. I myself regularly visit Malaysia, but I would not pretend to have any great understanding about Malaysian society. My knowledge of the place comes from the friends and family I associate with, and the places those people go. Its obviously skewed by that context, and there are huge chunks of Malaysian society that I am not exposed to and that I wouldn't presume to make sweeping generalisations about just because I can say "I've been there".
rhino wrote on Dec 9
th, 2020 at 2:01pm:
No, thats not what I said, Re read what i posted carefully and stop erecting strawmen
Good point, lets examine your exact words:
Quote:no female gets a job in Muslim majority Indonesia without wearing at the minimum a headscarf.
I don't see much wriggle room for you there rhino, its pretty black and white - "no female", would mean "every single female" in muslim majority Indonesia - must wear a headscarf to get a job. Which would include your Indonesian flight attendants no?
Am I missing something there?
rhino wrote on Dec 9
th, 2020 at 2:01pm:
What really matters is what Indonesian people experience on a daily basis.
Couldn't agree more. It is the overall mood/situation that counts. And yet, it was you who came out with the blanket claim about every single working woman in (muslim majority) Indonesia. Its not just that its so easy to refute with mere individual examples (like the flight attendants), more importantly it says a lot about your underlying prejudice that you would make such a patently false blanket statement in the first place - and somehow think its ok. And worse, defend it only with the inane "I've been there, you haven't, so there" non-argument.