rhino wrote on Dec 4
th, 2020 at 8:58pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4
th, 2020 at 2:27pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 4
th, 2020 at 1:49pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 20
th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
Have read the OP, and some posts on the first page. This is a nothing according to one who knows.
My Golf Club has, since Covid, had a huge influx of new Members. One is a refugee from Bali, an Aussie who has been there for years, and he runs two very well known restaurants in Bali. He has boarded the businesses up and returned to Australia.
No customers, no business, no income for a great many of Balinese people who worked in those two restaurants.
He said that this alcohol ban thing often comes and goes with secular political groups well in the minority, and will never see the light of day, particularly in Bali where the locals are largely Hindu.
So, don't worry Gordon, you will always be able to get on the piss in Bali (if you can get there and the place is open for business.)
Pretty much as I suspect too.
Islamists have to continually put these sorts of proposals on the table - regardless of whether they think they might succeed or not. They feel like its their duty to their backers, and probably their God. If they fail, then no skin off their noses - their conscience will be clear -
"at least we tried".
The reality is, despite the recent onslaught of propaganda from the usual suspects, Indonesia is still fiercely secular, and that doesn't look like changing significantly any time soon.
Remains fiercely secular? Really? Lest see some evidence of that.
Yes I agree -
this playing down what's really going on by poohooing and saying it's just a small group going through the motions of "at least we tried" is a naive nonsense.
It makes light of the 202 people killed in Bali in 2002 - 88 of which were Australians .....
just killed by PGs "try hards" ey?
It's how they operate globally a slow & steady takeover .......
all the time being helped by Saudi cash.
Muslim against Christian sectarian violence - including beheadings, bombings, destruction of churches has been occurring across PG's secular Indonesia for decades.
Suluwesi - more than a decade of violence against Christains - 1000's have been killed & many 100's displaced - in 2005 3 school girls were beheaded.
Banjarmasin riots Kalimantan(Borneo Island) 1997 - Christians killed - protestant & catholic churches, Buddhist temples, homes & Chinese businesses burned down.
2016 Jakarta protests against a Christian politician accused of blaspheming Islam. After losing the election he was found guilty of blasphemy & sentenced to 2 yrs jail in 2017.
President Joko Widodo attended this protest.
In 2000 - before the Bali bombings - there were a series of bombings in Jakarta & across 8 other cities - all targeting Christian churches.
Malaku (Moluccan) Islands - sectarian violence 1999 to 2003 - thousands killed & 500,000 displaced.
These islands were originally Melanesian but they have been killed off & displaced over a long period by Javans & Indonesias Transmigration policies - just like they have been doing in West Papua for 55 years.
2005 Palu market nail bombing in Suluwesi targeting Christians killed 8 wounded 53.
2016 Samarinda Church bombing in Kalimantan - killed a toddler & injured 3 other toddlers.
2018 Surabaya bombings - 3 Christian churches
an apartment complex & police headquarters - 28 killed including bombers & 50 injured.