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Re: Alcohol ban Indonesia
Reply #150 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 6:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 4:04pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 2:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 10:15pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 9:07pm:
How do you feel about banning the burqa John?


i think only an idiot would advocate to ban an item of clothing. Are you such an idiot FD?


What about alcohol and fast food?


After you answer my question FD ... are you such an idiot? A simple yes or no will suffice.


No.


John Smith. Lying again.
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Re: Alcohol ban Indonesia
Reply #151 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:31pm:
John Smith. Lying again.



what are you pretending I lied about now?
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Reply #152 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:38pm
 
You'll figure it out.
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Re: Alcohol ban Indonesia
Reply #153 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:38pm:
You'll figure it out.



and in the meantime you'll keep deluding yourself
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Reply #154 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 2:02pm
 
rhino wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 7:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 7:03pm:
rhino wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 6:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 8:52pm:

I'd miss it - I LOVE a glass of wine with dinner - but I'm sure I'd manage.
Alcoholics always say this sort of thing. Denial is part of it.


Hey, I'm sure you know.

Yeah, I do. Dealt with quite  a lot of alcoholics professionally,  picked you from the beginning. People always think the only type of alcoholic is the one who spends their whole waking life under the influence. Not true, number of different types.


Would you be surprised he's a self confessed drink driver?
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Reply #155 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 2:26pm
 
I do not know about anyone else, but the hot weather really deters me from drinking alcohol. I can drink a mid-strength beer once a day before bed just for the relaxing and refreshing element to it. But, I would rather have water in this hot weather.

I could imagine that the ban on alcohol is probably the result of environmental factors in Indonesia, moreso than religious factors. Warm humid all year around there.
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Reply #156 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 4:45pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 6:01pm:


DILIGAF....Never been to Indonesia and have no intention of ever going to Indonesia....It is their country and their business!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #157 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 4:48pm
 
Half of Indonesia belongs to our Sahulian Region.
Divided at the Wallace Line where Flora & Fauna from Gondwana meet Asia.
We should take it!
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Reply #158 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:13pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 2:26pm:
I do not know about anyone else, but the hot weather really deters me from drinking alcohol. I can drink a mid-strength beer once a day before bed just for the relaxing and refreshing element to it. But, I would rather have water in this hot weather.

I could imagine that the ban on alcohol is probably the result of environmental factors in Indonesia, moreso than religious factors. Warm humid all year around there.


It's the result of Islam. Slowly but surely turning the screws on people.
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Reply #159 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 2:02pm:
rhino wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 7:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 7:03pm:
rhino wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 6:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 8:52pm:

I'd miss it - I LOVE a glass of wine with dinner - but I'm sure I'd manage.
Alcoholics always say this sort of thing. Denial is part of it.


Hey, I'm sure you know.

Yeah, I do. Dealt with quite  a lot of alcoholics professionally,  picked you from the beginning. People always think the only type of alcoholic is the one who spends their whole waking life under the influence. Not true, number of different types.


Would you be surprised he's a self confessed drink driver?

Not at all, in fact it goes with the territory. Pecca has shown he is that particular type of alcoholic who loses complete control over his actions and becomes impulsive with no thought of consequences for his actions.
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Re: Alcohol ban Indonesia
Reply #160 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 8:08am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 4:12pm:
The Quran allows alcohol so why do muslims avoid it?



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And from the fruits of palm trees and grapevines you derive intoxicants as well as wholesome provision. Surely in this is a sign for those who understand.

https://quran.com/16/67



interpretation: use the 'wholesome provision' proviced by these plants while avoiding the intoxicants.

eg - eat grapes but don't make intoxicants (wine) out of them.

Which is perfectly consistent with quran 5:90, which says to avoid 'intoxicants':

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid1 it that you may be successful.
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Re: Alcohol ban Indonesia
Reply #161 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:15pm
 
What does Islam say about punishing non-Muslims for drinking alcohol?
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Reply #162 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 8:08am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 4:12pm:
The Quran allows alcohol so why do muslims avoid it?



Quote:
And from the fruits of palm trees and grapevines you derive intoxicants as well as wholesome provision. Surely in this is a sign for those who understand.

https://quran.com/16/67



interpretation: use the 'wholesome provision' proviced by these plants while avoiding the intoxicants.

eg - eat grapes but don't make intoxicants (wine) out of them.

Which is perfectly consistent with quran 5:90, which says to avoid 'intoxicants':

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid1 it that you may be successful.


The Muhsin Khan translation of 16/67 says that verse was revealed before the prohibition of alcohol.

Alcohol was allowed in Islam Muhammad banned it when muslims started turning up for prayers while drunk.

Just another contradiction in the Quran muslims cannot admit to in hope of getting all those houris and rivers of wine in the Islamic afterlife.

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Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.

https://quran.com/4/82


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Reply #163 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:29pm:
The Muhsin Khan translation of 16/67 says that verse was revealed before the prohibition of alcohol.

Alcohol was allowed in Islam Muhammad banned it when muslims started turning up for prayers while drunk.

Just another contradiction in the Quran muslims cannot admit to in hope of getting all those houris and rivers of wine in the Islamic afterlife.

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Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.

https://.com/4/82


Why should anyone care about what Muhsin Khan says about this?

The Quranic verses can be assessed by their own words, not by others. And the two verses are perfectly consistent: from grapes comes both intoxicants (alcohol) and "wholesome provision" (nutritious food). 5.90 then expands on this by saying intoxicants should be avoided.

If you could just focus on the quranic words of these verses, and only these words, can you point to anything thats actually contradictory?
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Reply #164 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 1:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 8:08am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 4:12pm:
The Quran allows alcohol so why do muslims avoid it?



Quote:
And from the fruits of palm trees and grapevines you derive intoxicants as well as wholesome provision. Surely in this is a sign for those who understand.

https://quran.com/16/67



interpretation: use the 'wholesome provision' proviced by these plants while avoiding the intoxicants.

eg - eat grapes but don't make intoxicants (wine) out of them.

Which is perfectly consistent with quran 5:90, which says to avoid 'intoxicants':

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid1 it that you may be successful.


How does that explain the Khat addictions in Africa & the Middle East?

Most are Muslim countries.
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