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Retirement income report - No surprises.
Nov 20th, 2020 at 8:26am
 
The headline reads "Retirees ignoring potential of dipping into home equity: income review", so you get an idea where this is going.

The LNP have apparently received their long-awaited Retirement Income review which, like the "Commission of Audit" which led to the 2014 Budget, had all the answers they were expecting... Roll Eyes

Naturally, they haven't released it (yet, anyway), and being an LNP Government, when they do release it, it will likely be so heavily redacted that it's unreadable anyway...but I digress.

Key take outs:

1) They are ardently opposed to hiking the SGC. No surprise there. So the report "finds" that doing so would impact on wage rises, and through-working-life standard of living. Just how have those wage rises gone over the last few years, while the SGC has been frozen at 9.5%?

2) They mention people being able to "access the equity in the family home", through the Pension Loan Scheme, or reverse mortgages. Look for legislation forcing people to enter these arrangements, sometime down the track.

3) From the article, no mention of increasing the ability of people to put more into Super voluntarily, by way of increasing the concessional contributions cap (for example).

4) ""Importantly, the report also reaffirms the need to simplify and enhance the efficiency of the superannuation system and lift home ownership rates as a driver of higher incomes in retirement", according to the Treasurer.

I get that home ownership is one of the key underpinnings of a comfortable retirement...but we've seen where incentivising people to "hit the market" via any means possible has gotten us, in terms of housing affordability.

I worry for people coming through and entering the workforce...They'll be hit with almost unaffordable housing, for which they'll be taking on 50+ year mortgages. They'll be "stuck" with SGC rates that will be eroded by inflation over time. They'll be faced with virtually zero chance of getting any kind of age pension (because it's a "privilege", not a right*), and also faced with Super balances that virtually ensure that by the time they retire - if ever - they'll be reverse-mortgaging their home, just to make ends meet.

A typical LNP-style "worker's paradise"... Roll Eyes

*In the early 1900s, an Act was passed called something like the Age Pension contributions Act. That hived off 7.5% of worker's income, to fund an Age Pension. Sometime in the 50s, it was removed as a separate Budgetary line item, and the revenue was rolled into Consolidated Revenue. They didn't stop collecting the tax, they just stopped attributing it to the specific purpose for which it was being collected.

Cue later LNP narrative about "lifters and leaners"...
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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2020 at 10:08am
 
"Sometime in the 50s, it was removed as a separate Budgetary line item, and the revenue was rolled into Consolidated Revenue."

When you have several major streams and those downstream have paid and are paying for lifetime supply of water - and you decide, for efficiency's sake, to build one big dam that catches all those tributaries - and still accept payment for lifetime water downstream - you do not remove from yourself the obligation to provide that water.

Consolidated Revenue is one great lie foisted upon the public by force.
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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2020 at 2:34pm
 
If forced to reverse mortgauge my home.

I will simply sell it.

Then over some time I will withdraw a few thousand here and there with an ever increasing frequency.

When all the cash is gone and I have it all squirrel away, I'll join gamblers anomalous and admit to wasting all my cash on gambling it away.

Then I'll apply for the pension as a destitute.

I'll have plenty of cash to play with all nicely secreted away.

And the grubberment will pay me a nice pension.

I might have to even get them to pay for my housing as I'm destitute.

F#@k am all.
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Reply #3 - Nov 25th, 2020 at 6:29am
 
Valkie wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 2:34pm:
If forced to reverse mortgauge my home.

I will simply sell it.

Then over some time I will withdraw a few thousand here and there with an ever increasing frequency.

When all the cash is gone and I have it all squirrel away, I'll join gamblers anomalous and admit to wasting all my cash on gambling it away.

Then I'll apply for the pension as a destitute.

I'll have plenty of cash to play with all nicely secreted away.

And the grubberment will pay me a nice pension.

I might have to even get them to pay for my housing as I'm destitute.

F#@k am all.


Only one thing wrong with your plan. You F#@king told everyone about your fraudulent scheme. Darwin award right there
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Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2020 at 7:48pm
 
How much do you need to retire on?

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Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2020 at 8:05pm
 
Bertie wrote on Nov 25th, 2020 at 7:48pm:
How much do you need to retire on?



To whom are you asking the question?

I ask, as the answer will differ dependent (somewhat) on individual circumstances.

Firstly, as an example, when do you intend to retire?

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Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2020 at 9:21pm
 
Bertie wrote on Nov 25th, 2020 at 7:48pm:
How much do you need to retire on?



If you own you own home and car, with no mortgage, no other debts and your kids are self supporting, you'll be surprised how little you need for a comfortable life, esp if you are in a stable relationship sharing the bills.   
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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:31am
 
Owning your own home with solar and live simply is all you need.
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Reply #8 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:03pm
 
Jest wrote on Nov 25th, 2020 at 6:29am:
Valkie wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 2:34pm:
If forced to reverse mortgauge my home.

I will simply sell it.

Then over some time I will withdraw a few thousand here and there with an ever increasing frequency.

When all the cash is gone and I have it all squirrel away, I'll join gamblers anomalous and admit to wasting all my cash on gambling it away.

Then I'll apply for the pension as a destitute.

I'll have plenty of cash to play with all nicely secreted away.

And the grubberment will pay me a nice pension.

I might have to even get them to pay for my housing as I'm destitute.

F#@k am all.


Only one thing wrong with your plan. You F#@king told everyone about your fraudulent scheme. Darwin award right there 


They have to prove it.

I'm smarter than any dead beat public servant.

I know someone who did just this about 5 years ago.

He is still getting his pension and has all the cash he needs.

It's surprising how well he does on the doggies and horses from time to time.

No records, no proof.
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Reply #9 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:10pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:31am:
Owning your own home with solar and live simply is all you need.


We own our own home, two new cars, one old bomb run around.

We own everything we have and owe nothing to anybody.

I have future proofed my home with a new roof, new kitchen, new bathroom and do all my own maintenance.

But there are bills I hate
Medical insurance, accounts for several thousand a year of wasted money.
My wife insists we need it, me? I think it's a waste of money.

I hate rates, I get nothing for it, just a useless corrupt and now sacked council.

Because I retired early and am a self funded retiree.
I get no discounts or reductions.
But I will gradually deplete my super over the next 5 years as my nominated retirement age is reached.

By then I will be eligable for at least a part pension and lots of discounts.

I'm thinking of becoming an abbo as well.
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Reply #10 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:12pm
 
If you live that long, by all accounts you are an extremely obese unfit individual.
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Reply #11 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:50pm
 
Valkie wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
Jest wrote on Nov 25th, 2020 at 6:29am:
Valkie wrote on Nov 20th, 2020 at 2:34pm:
If forced to reverse mortgauge my home.

I will simply sell it.

Then over some time I will withdraw a few thousand here and there with an ever increasing frequency.

When all the cash is gone and I have it all squirrel away, I'll join gamblers anomalous and admit to wasting all my cash on gambling it away.

Then I'll apply for the pension as a destitute.

I'll have plenty of cash to play with all nicely secreted away.

And the grubberment will pay me a nice pension.

I might have to even get them to pay for my housing as I'm destitute.

F#@k am all.


Only one thing wrong with your plan. You F#@king told everyone about your fraudulent scheme. Darwin award right there 


They have to prove it.

I'm smarter than any dead beat public servant.

I know someone who did just this about 5 years ago.

He is still getting his pension and has all the cash he needs.

It's surprising how well he does on the doggies and horses from time to time.

No records, no proof.


You do know the internet is forever? Its a record. Your scheme and your admissions are recoverable to the end of time. And you threw your mate under the bus as well.
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Reply #12 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 8:10pm
 
$800K in super, hubby still earning $100K pa for another 5 years, no mortgage, two kids at uni with some expenses.
Bailing next year -  good or bad?
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Reply #13 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 9:20pm
 
Bertie wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 8:10pm:
$800K in super, hubby still earning $100K pa for another 5 years, no mortgage, two kids at uni with some expenses.
Bailing next year -  good or bad?
Has anyone advised you what pension 800K super will get you and whether the pension is a defined benfit increasing with the CPI or subject to the fluctuations of the stockmarket and inflation? 
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Reply #14 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 10:59pm
 
Bertie wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 8:10pm:
$800K in super, hubby still earning $100K pa for another 5 years, no mortgage, two kids at uni with some expenses.
Bailing next year -  good or bad?


TBH...not the forum to be asking this question.

Go and get some proper "fee for service" (as opposed to "conflicted remuneration") advice.

There's a reason why most financial services add a disclaimer around "Our advice is general in nature and may not work for your personal circumstances" (or something to that effect). Most of the well-meaning advice you'll get on an Internet forum fits quite neatly into that disclaimer.

(Note: This advice is general in nature. Your mileage may vary (YMMV). Terms and conditions apply. Please see in-store for details.)

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