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Reply #75 - Nov 29th, 2020 at 10:39pm
 
Ok let’s do another 97% consensus, in my own writing below plain English so you can understand.

Zimmerman 2008 in a survey asked

10257 Earth scientists two simple questions

3146 responded

Zimmerman excluded all but 79 of the respondents....?????

Where is the 97% consensus...................................?????

It seems to come from question 2 that 75 of those 77 responded yes to question 2 that's (75/77 = 97.3%)

Again I ask where is the 97% when only 79 respondents were chosen from the thousands that responded.

That's why I keep saying that if you care to find out about the 97% consensus you will come to realise very quickly what a joke it really is.

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In 2008 Margaret Zimmerman asked two questions of 10,257 Earth Scientists at academic and government institutions. 3146 of them responded.

That survey was the original basis for the famous “97% consensus” claim.

For the calculation of the degree of consensus among experts in the Doran/Zimmerman article, all but 79 of the respondents were excluded.

They wrote:

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“In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.”


The basis for the “97% consensus” claim is this excerpt:

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“the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change)… 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.”


The two questions were:

Q1: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”   76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.”

Q2: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”   75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.”

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Reply #76 - Nov 29th, 2020 at 10:45pm
 
So again I ask you show me a report showing that 97% of all climate scientists agree that AGW is real......?

It seems that the 97% is a fabricated lie that even US presidents are quoting and organisations like NASA.

So from 2 surveys that try and prove the 97% consenus we have

1. Cooke et al 2013, 41 papers from 11,944

2. Zimmerman 2008 asked

a. 10257 scientists to complete a survey,

b. 3146 responded and

c. in the assessment all but 79 scientists were excluded.

How does this represent 97% of climate scientists.

Same goes for the other 97% consensus documents we have not looked at they are lying to us so wake up and smell the CO2.

BTW a survey is not a scientific or technical document.
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Reply #77 - Nov 29th, 2020 at 10:51pm
 
Surely from the evidence above you can see that the 97% consensus is nothing of the sort.

Because if you cannot see it then I give up.... Shocked Sad Huh
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Reply #78 - Nov 29th, 2020 at 11:03pm
 
Jest you should follow your own advice.

Why are banks pumping billions of dollars into the AGW religion, follow the money trail.... Wink

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1493592560
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Reply #79 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:33am
 
lee wrote on Nov 29th, 2020 at 8:42pm:
Pity is from the Garudian in 2013. ho hum.

Eelboy must think this 2013 date implies that the flow of dark money funding the denial of climate change has stopped. Grin Grin

It hasn't.

How vested interests tried to turn the world against climate science

The 2013 date merely shows this is when the use of dark money to fund climate change denial became well known and many articles are available from that time.

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
The dark money in climate change denial
Meet the Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement

The Koch brothers' companies have been funding climate change denial since 1997 at least.

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
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Reply #80 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 4:06pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:33am:
Eelboy must think this 2013 date implies that the flow of dark money funding the denial of climate change has stopped. Grin Grin

It hasn't.



No petal. That's what you think. Grin Grin Grin

Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:33am:
The 2013 date merely shows this is when the use of dark money to fund climate change denial became well known and many articles are available from that time.



Wrong It became known before that petal. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:33am:
The Koch brothers' companies have been funding climate change denial since 1997 at least.

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine



Yes I referenced that in my reply at -

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Reply #45 - Nov 28th, 2020 at 7:55pm

As I pointed out there Greenpeace has been funding alarmist propaganda at that level since 2001. Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW - where have any of those sources supplied by those "evil" Koch Bros denied climate? Denied Climate Changes? Wink
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Reply #81 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 4:59pm
 
A lot of people like to talk of Arrhenius. Indeed NASA does.

"He eventually made the suggestion that an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide due to the burning of fossil fuels could be beneficial, making the Earth's climates “more equable,” stimulating plant growth, and providing more food for a larger population. This view differs radically from current concerns over the harmful effects of a global warming caused by industrial emissions and deforestation."

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_3.php

Canada would like more warm regions. I suspect USSR as well. Wink
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Reply #82 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 8:13pm
 
Jest wrote on Nov 28th, 2020 at 8:57pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 28th, 2020 at 8:21pm:
Closing mines and putting families on the streets to starve to death is progress.
The politics of exaggeration. We are managing the transition away from burning fossil fuels so this doesn't happen. But there is no doubt that if global warming is real (which I think is undoubtedly so) Millions of people will starve to death to say nothing about the other disasters that will flow from it.   


Putting whites on the street is progress. They must pay for their colonial past. This is progress.
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Reply #83 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 8:19pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:33am:
lee wrote on Nov 29th, 2020 at 8:42pm:
Pity is from the Garudian in 2013. ho hum.

Eelboy must think this 2013 date implies that the flow of dark money funding the denial of climate change has stopped. Grin Grin

It hasn't.

How vested interests tried to turn the world against climate science

The 2013 date merely shows this is when the use of dark money to fund climate change denial became well known and many articles are available from that time.

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
The dark money in climate change denial
Meet the Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement

The Koch brothers' companies have been funding climate change denial since 1997 at least.

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine


Look at the big banks around the world and how much money they are pouring in to and promoting climate change.

We are talking about billions and billions of dollars.

Who owns the banks...........?

https://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/press-releases/environment/bank-america-commi...

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Reply #84 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 8:23pm
 
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Reply #86 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 8:28pm
 
And it goes on and on and on....!

WHO OWNS THE BANKS............?


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https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2020/08/30/world-bank-group-exceeds-20...
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Reply #87 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 8:37pm
 
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Costing the Earth: Funding city climate initiatives with green banks

by Sue Weekes: News editor, Smart Cities World
Green banks are on the rise as cities look for ways to fund essential work to prevent climate change and its effects.

The world needs to spend $2.4 trillion every year until 2035 to mitigate the effects of climate change. This was the stark reality delivered by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5°C.

Cities recognise they need to be on the frontline of the action and a growing list have officially declared a climate emergency, including Krakow, London, Liverpool, Paris, New York and Sydney. According to the Climate Emergency Declaration and Mobilisation in Action (Cedamia) website, more than 888 jurisdictions in 18 countries, covering 161 million citizens, have now declared such an emergency.

As the IPCC highlights, though, fighting climate change costs and the race is on to find sustainable ways to fund green initiatives in cities around the world. This is bringing new momentum behind the green bank movement. On July 2, Washington, DC Mayor, Muriel Bowser, signed the District’s Green Finance Authority Establishment Act, officially making it the first city in the country to establish a government-funded green bank. The bank is being capitalised with $105 million of public funds.

The world needs to spend $2.4 trillion every year until 2035 to mitigate the effects of climate change.

The rest here,

https://www.smartcitiesworld.net/special-reports/special-reports/costing-the-ear....

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Reply #88 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:36pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 29th, 2020 at 11:03pm:
Jest you should follow your own advice.

Why are banks pumping billions of dollars into the AGW religion, follow the money trail.... Wink

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1493592560


There's a world of difference between (1) finance institutions that accept the climate change science and thus assist underdeveloped countries to transition to renewable energy and (2) the fossil fuel industry bankrolling a billion dollar campaign to debunk the science. Its absurd that you and Lee with your predilection for the most outlandishly implausible conspiracy theories pretend now not to see the danger that the fossil fuel industry is lying through its teeth to protect its business interests rather than seeking to disseminate truth. You follow?
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Reply #89 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 10:01pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 29th, 2020 at 10:51pm:
Surely from the evidence above you can see that the 97% consensus is nothing of the sort.

Because if you cannot see it then I give up.... Shocked Sad Huh


Your produce this crap from denialist propaganda sites that do exactly what they did in the so called "Climategate" affair misleading distorting and taking staments out of context to discredit the science. It doesnt work! Something isnt dicreditied just because a denialist propoganda site that you cut and paste from says its discredited. There is a 97% consensus of relevant scientists that AGW is real and all your distortions and attempts at misinformation to decieve the world to protect the business interests of a multinational cabal of selfish bastards isnt going to change that.
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