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Reply #90 - Nov 6th, 2020 at 8:34pm
 
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Why do you lie?

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Reply #92 - Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:47pm
 
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Reply #93 - Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:50pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2020 at 8:34pm:
Fd

Why do you lie?



Why do you lie often on here then try to accuse the Boss that he's a liar? Are you trying to be this Forum's mafioso Union rep?
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Reply #94 - Nov 10th, 2020 at 4:10pm
 
JaSin. wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2020 at 8:34pm:
Fd

Why do you lie?



Why do you lie often on here then try to accuse the Boss that he's a liar? Are you trying to be this Forum's mafioso Union rep?


Are you the forums resident Scab?
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Reply #95 - Nov 10th, 2020 at 9:40pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 7:59am:
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Unions create unemployment


Can you find an economist who disagrees with this statement?
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Reply #96 - Nov 11th, 2020 at 5:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 9:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 7:59am:
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Unions create unemployment


Can you find an economist who disagrees with this statement?


I'm not here to do your homework. It's economic 101.
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Reply #97 - Nov 11th, 2020 at 7:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 9:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 7:59am:
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Unions create unemployment


Can you find an economist who disagrees with this statement?


Yes
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-9914.00189

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This paper addresses the question under which circumstances unemployment can be lower if unions bargain over wages and employment in a general equilibrium framework. Thereby, it turns out that the unemployment rate may negatively depend on the wage rate, if the unemployment compensation scheme contains a constant real term in addition to the replacement ratio component. This is, compared with a pure replacement ratio scheme, the more plausible formalization of the real world’s compensation systems, at least for European countries. Besides the theoretical analysis, the paper also derives political implications by identifying the relevant parameters for the decision on whether weakening unions will be a good strategy for an economy to overcome its unemployment problem.
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Reply #98 - Nov 11th, 2020 at 8:02pm
 
see, told you FD was a liar
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Reply #99 - Nov 21st, 2020 at 8:33am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 11th, 2020 at 7:16pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 9:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 3:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2020 at 7:59am:
quote me



Unions create unemployment


Can you find an economist who disagrees with this statement?


Yes
1


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-9914.00189

Abstract
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This paper addresses the question under which circumstances unemployment can be lower if unions bargain over wages and employment in a general equilibrium framework. Thereby, it turns out that the unemployment rate may negatively depend on the wage rate, if the unemployment compensation scheme contains a constant real term in addition to the replacement ratio component. This is, compared with a pure replacement ratio scheme, the more plausible formalization of the real world’s compensation systems, at least for European countries. Besides the theoretical analysis, the paper also derives political implications by identifying the relevant parameters for the decision on whether weakening unions will be a good strategy for an economy to overcome its unemployment problem.


Not this one either. Keep trying.
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Reply #100 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 2:17pm
 
FD uses the exact same template across about 5 separate threads here:

1. Parrot a simplistic and baseless right wing propaganda claim and declares it as etched in stone gospel truth.

2. Ridicule any requests for actual evidence for the claim as a waste of time because it is unnecessary to substantiate the most basic economics 101 which no economist in existence has ever disagreed with.

3. twist all the evidence presented to him that refutes the BS claim into a useless hair splitting exercise about semantics - that have no bearing whatsoever on the actual meaning of the evidence - which so obviously refutes his BS claim

4. scream "liar" like a raving fool at anyone who points out that his claim is BS, and has been proven so
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Reply #101 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:17pm
 
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twist all the evidence presented to him that refutes the BS claim into a useless hair splitting exercise about semantics


If the evidence does not refute my claim, it is not hair splitting Gandalf. i did not ask for evidence that merely "feels" like it refutes my claim. This is a basic union trick, to get people to ignore facts and shout lies loudly enough to delude themselves.
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Reply #102 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 12:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:17pm:
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twist all the evidence presented to him that refutes the BS claim into a useless hair splitting exercise about semantics


If the evidence does not refute my claim, it is not hair splitting Gandalf. i did not ask for evidence that merely "feels" like it refutes my claim. This is a basic union trick, to get people to ignore facts and shout lies loudly enough to delude themselves.


Your claim is simplistic and stupid.

It totally ignores the demonstrated ability of unions to successfully negotiate agreements that counteract such negative impacts as unemployment - like how Australia's unions did when they negotiated the Accord. An agreement that actually reduced unemployment:

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The first Accord secured for all workers a 4.3% pay rise (September 1983), a 4.1% pay rise (April 1984), and a deferred 2.6% pay rise over the initial 3-year period, improvements in family payments and child care, and the introduction of Medicare. Unemployment also fell from over 10% (in the 2nd quarter of 1983) to just under 8%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prices_and_Incomes_Accord
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Reply #103 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 1:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:17pm:
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twist all the evidence presented to him that refutes the BS claim into a useless hair splitting exercise about semantics


If the evidence does not refute my claim, it is not hair splitting Gandalf. i did not ask for evidence that merely "feels" like it refutes my claim. This is a basic union trick, [highlight]to get people to ignore facts and shout lies loudly enough to delude themselves.[/highlight]


Sounds more like a conservative strategy.

Just like you do.
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Reply #104 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 2:16pm
 
bugger me gnads, I almost missed that quote.

FD literally couldn't describe his behaviour here across about 4 separate threads more perfectly.
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