Police handed information on claims Vatican sent $1m to Australia in relation to George Pell sexual abuse trial

Federal police refer allegations Vatican sent $1m to Australia in relation to George Pell trial to IBAC

Is it wrong for the Vatican to send funds for his defence?

I'm no Catholic and no supporter of evil, but surely that isn't a crime.

"Earlier this month, Italian newspapers reported unsubstantiated allegations that Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu was suspected of wiring 700,000 euros ($1.14 million) to Australia to help secure evidence against Cardinal Pell in his sexual abuse trial."

They were paying to secure evidence against him?  Or to secure evidence that was against him so that it never saw the light of day?

Is there a suggestion that people were paid off, including 'public sector' persons - say judges?

I think this is a brickbat too far.....

For the record - I do not believe Pell to have been guilty of child abuse.  His sin was in not ensuring that the scum who were guilty got a free pass, and that was a sin passed on to him as policy by his church - but he was not charged with that.

Mud sticking after it is all over is not sufficient reason to condemn a man.

On the other hand I do trust that particular church has learned a very severe lesson about paedophiles, and as for hush money - that should rightly be paid anyway as compensation, not as bribes - IF that was the case with the Vatican money.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 8:32am:

Sex abuse victim speaks out after Perth Catholic church consents to pay $2.45m compensation

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 8:32am:

Imagine what would happen if Islam was honest, moral and decided to prosecute all the imrans who married underage children for their perverted pleasure.

The courts woukd be busy for many years.

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 2:43pm:


The Catholic Church comes in for stick 'cause it has, for many years, attempted to hide from the truth - abuse has occurred at the hands of it's clergy members.   It has refused to admit this and when it is proven in court, it doesn't pay up. For many years the Church decided it was easier to make the victims suffer even further than make their clergy pay for their sins/crimes.   They bound their victims over for many years to silence as part of the deals they made with them.   Tsk, tsk, now it appears they are being caught.   

cods wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 2:43pm:



If you go back & read "reply 8" by Bwian ... you will see the Anglican church mentioned in a compo case for child abuse.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 9:47pm:


And the continual denial that Islam has perpetrated more pedophilia than any other collection of cult followers on earth.
I have no problem in bringing out and punishing the priests who have broken their solemn vows and abused children.
At least the church has finally recognized the horror for which it is responsible.
But islam relishes its ability to continue with its pedophilia marriages.

As for childish
Bwyannnnn, you hold the crown for this, your tut tutting and stupid emoji are your trade marks.
You are a troll who listens to no one, defends the indefensible and protects a cult the likes of which has no place in civilized society.

Go stich you head up your Ass

Valkie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 6:05am:

I’m not aware any branch of Christianity has spoken on the poisonous psychology of raising the young to believe its moral for a father (God) to torture his own son and how the worship of an almost naked man being tortured on the cross by his father is an dangerous way to instruct Christian youth.
Quote:

This tedious effort to draw attention to the manifest evils of Islam as worse than the historic evils committed in the name of the Christian God in no way whitewashes anything the church has unleashed on the human race.
Most religion is red in tooth and claw.
There’s one aspect however of Islam I find more deluded than most of Christianity. It’s the contradictions rampant in the Koran. Take for instance the frequent juxtaposition of "In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful” immediately preceding passages such as Sura 47 V 1 & V 4 ”Whoso believe not, and prevent others from the way of God - their works will he cause to miscarry.
"When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters?

A most peculiar way to be compassionate and merciful.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2021 at 9:50pm:



I am fully aware of that sunshine......but so did all the other INSTITUTES.....it isnt just a CATHOLIC thing...

govt run institutes were BAD beyond belief... heaps of people knew what was going on  and it was all silence..........why are we not persecuting them  holding them to account....over and over again....

the people that lived through it  are still suffering...talk about childhood STOLEN>

Its impossible to map the islamic pedophile marriage syndicate.

The parents even sell their children to dirty old imrans for their pleasure.

But i guess, Satans followers are exempt from being brought to justice because they are muzzos.

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2021 at 7:59am:


Imran

Imans need to be able to recite the Q'ran from memory.  They also need to be schooled in Islamic theocracy and often in Sh'ria law.  They are hardly "unschooled" in what they preach.   

However, as the thread is about what the Christian Clergy has been up to, that is just another case of "whataboutism" from the chief troll of "Whataboutism".  Tsk, tsk.   

Immaterial.  The thread is, need I remind you in your whataboutism mind set, the antics of Christian Clergy.  Stick to the thread's intentions, Valkie and stop trolling it.  Tsk, tsk.   

I believe every religion has it's chance to prove what it is about, Vakie.  Islam can be criticised freely, down in the Islam section of the board where you do so all the time.  Christianity deserves more criticism because it is no better.  That is what this thread is about.  Christianity has been caught, quite frequently with it's clergy undertaking various paedophile antics.  Surely they deserve criticism for it or do they get a free pass in your world of whataboutism?  Tsk, tsk, always making excuses for Christian clergy, hey? 

Valkie wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 5:51am:



So what, Valkie? So a problem can't be discussed if a worse problem exists?

Gnads wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 6:16am:



Don't be so disingenuous. The thread is about the Christian clergy. We should be able to discuss that freely on here without it turning into another boring and predictable Muslim bash.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 6:35am:



Sorry mate, that's not irony. It's just a predictable outcome of power imbalance. It's the oldest story in the world. As the church loses power, it's throat shows. Modern society has both diminished the church and given a voice to it's many victims.

Former Catholic priest and paedophile Patrick Holmes jailed a second time for sexually abusing children

mothra wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 6:05am:


Sure it can but you'd think most emphasis would be on the worst, not deflecting from it.

Dear Brian - there is a solution:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 11:25am:


At the very least these Christian churches are paying for the cover ups for what their accused & convicted clergy have done or may do because they know it's criminal & not what society will condone.

The other lot condone it & it's scholars defend it and their Prophet practiced it as religious & cultural norms.

Tsk tsk tsk. 

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:17pm:


How many Muslim cleric kiddy fiddlers & their follower kiddy fiddlers are we seeing prosecuted?

None .... because the community hide it & condone it.

Imagine the carnage in the Islamic cult if honesty and decency were to suddenly become mandatory.

All the preachers who take child brides...gone
All the preachers sending children off to commit suicide.....gone
All the nutcases who follow in the footsteps of Mo the mad....gone.


The whole cult would have to close down and disappear forever.

You can poke fun and denigrate the christian  religion all day every day.
But before you do, have a close look at the cult you so fervently and passionately defend.

People in glass houses should not throw stones.
And the house of Islam is certainly a glass house with many, many faults and very, very few positives.

This thread was started in order to belittle the christian faith.
But its not the whole christian church that is at fault, and the church is taking steps to stop it ever happening again.
But most importantly, these perverts were not acting in the name of the church.
They were, in fact, acting totally against all that the church stands for.
In other words, acting illegally and against the will of God.


Now, lets have a quick review of the Islamic cult.
Do they advocate murder.....YES
Do they advocate Pedophilia ......YES
Do they advocate lying and theft.....YES
Do they advocate genocide of other religions, and actually do it.....YES

So bwyannnnnnnn
As I have called you out in the past.
Before you start throwing stones and denigrating other religions.

HAVE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE CULT OF SATAN.

So, when we start telling it about Islam and it's murderous practices.

You will refrain from mentioning anything about any other religion, group or otherwise.

Is that correct?

Bwyannnnnnnnnn

So, when we start telling it about Islam and it's murderous practices.

You will refrain from mentioning anything about any other religion, group or otherwise.

Is that correct?

Bwyannnnnnnnnn

And that is where the difference begins.

To Christians, true Christians, these are sins.

They are illegal, sinful and not tolerated but 99.9% of Christians.

What is your point?

It's unacceptable, yes
Is it being sought out and punished....yes

So what is your point.

There are God and bad everywhere.
In some cults there is more bad than good.
But in Christianity, Buddhism, and numerous other legitimate religions, there is far more good than evil.

And evil is not tolerated when found out.

So, bwyannnnnnnn, what is your point?

Do you actually have a point?

Or are you simply trying to score some points?

Because you are failing badly.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 7:53pm:



How do you know? Evidence? Proof?

Tsk, tsk.  The thread is about Christian Clergy and their numerous misdemeanours and sins...

Catholic Bishop of Broome Christopher Saunders will not be prosecuted over allegations of sexual misconduct

Tsk, tsk.  The thread is about Christian Clergy and their numerous misdemeanours and sins...

Frank Brennan has just published Observations on the Pell Proceedings and in this collection of his writings about George Cardinal Pell, this Jesuit lawyer provides a damning account of how Victoria police went on a fishing expedition to find charges that could be laid against Pell, how they failed to consider that the complainant might in perfect sincerity have displaced memories of who had in fact abused him, and completely failed to corroborate the accusations with the many people who were at St. Patrick’s Cathedral after High Mass on either of those long ago days when the then Archbishop of Melbourne was imagined to have committed those improbable crimes. They simply didn’t bother to enquire in any adequate way and did the grossest disservice not only to Pell who spent more than a year in prison but to his accuser J.

Brennan’s account reminds us of how the Victorian Court of Appeal reversed the burden of proof and makes you thank God for the dissenting judge Mark Weinberg and the forensic steeliness of Bret Walker’s appeal and the subsequent unanimous decision to acquit Pell by the full bench of the High Court of Australia.
Peter Craven

Pedophile = muzzo = Mo the mad.

Their prophet was a boasting, filthy paedophile.

The practice continues even today, with the full support of their cult.

Who is more morally bankrupt.

Muzzos who openly rape young children in sham pedophile marriages.

Or

Christian church that now punishes and denigrates the hidden disgusting practices by pedophile priests?

I wonder if the house of the cartoonist that Valkie was referencing has been blown away by now?

German Cardinal Reinhard Marx offers resignation to Pope Francis over sexual abuse 'catastrophe'

Islamic schools in Pakistan plagued by sex abuse of children
But in a culture where clerics are powerful and sexual abuse is a taboo subject, it is seldom discussed or even acknowledged in public.

Why hasn’t The Royal Commission investigated forced child marriage within the Muslim community?

Child welfare agencies have received 70 calls for help in the last two years.

Girls in Australia as young as nine have been sent overseas and forced to marry Muslim men.

The Australian Federal Police have investigated 69 complaints of child marriage in the last year alone.

Child marriage is outlawed in Australia.

State police forces have prosecuted Muslims participating in child marriage here.

The Royal Commission is an inquiry into ‘institutional responses to child sexual abuse’. It is not an Inquiry into child abuse in families. In order to classify as ‘institutional abuse’ and to attract the jurisdiction of the Royal Commission there must be an institutional connection.

Any child sexual abuse with the involvement or approval of an Islamic cleric would pass as institutional abuse.

Therefore the Royal Commission may investigate victim stories of underage child sex, forced child marriages, and genital mutilation of girls under 18.

So why hasn’t the Royal Commission done anything about this?

And that is where the difference begins.

To Christians, true Christians, these are sins.

They are illegal, sinful and not tolerated but 99.9% of Christians.

What is your point?

It's unacceptable, yes
Is it being sought out and punished....yes

So what is your point.

There are good and bad everywhere.
In some cults there is more bad than good.
But in Christianity, Buddhism, and numerous other legitimate religions, there is far more good than evil.

And evil is not tolerated when found out.

So, bwyannnnnnnn, what is your point?

Do you actually have a point?

Or are you simply trying to score some points?

Because you are failing badly.

Valkie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 1:09pm:
Youve obviously never been to a Buddhist country.

rhino wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:35pm:


I doubt, Matty has ever left his basement, the way he posts his fantasies...   

THERE IS AN OLD SAYING YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO MORON

PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES.

By attacking the Christian church, 99.99% of whom do a great deal of good.
And who abhor the disgusting practices of a few perverted priests.
Who is doing its best to weed out these scum and bring them to justice.
You leave yourself WIDE open.

Muzzos have a far greater incidence of unmitigated pedophile atrocities to their name.

But the Kornran, preaches that pedophilia is OK and as most clerics are dirty old men participating in the practice.
They simply do it and never consider the suffering of the poor children.

When Islam can stand up and say they have stopped this disgusting and perverted activity.
Then you can start attacking other true religions.
But as long as the cult of death exists, they will continue to be the twisted perverted, primitive, barbaric and sick basturds they are.

And with people like you supporting them, One must ask why you do it?

Is there an ulterior motive?

Do you wish to be like them?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 9:21pm:

Is it?


Police have arrested an imam of a local mosque on charges of raping a fourth-grader in Badalgachi upazila of Naogaon.

Abu Hasan, 42, a resident of the upazila's Uttar Pakuria village, was apprehended on Saturday.

Locals said the imam had been teaching the nine-year-old girl Arabic for the last four months at his house.

Around 7am on Saturday, he raped the child when only the two were in the house. Locals rushed and rescued her after hearing her screams.

Tsk, tsk.  The thread is about Christian Clergy and their numerous misdemeanours and sins...

Tsk, tsk.  The thread is about Christian Clergy and their numerous misdemeanours and sins...

Pedophile = muzzo = Mo the mad.

Their prophet was a boasting, filthy paedophile.

The practice continues even today, with the full support of their cult.

Who is more morally bankrupt.

Muzzos who openly rape young children in sham pedophile marriages.

Or

Christian church that now punishes and denigrates the hidden disgusting practices by pedophile priests?

Pedophile = muzzo = Mo the mad.

Their prophet was a boasting, filthy paedophile.

The practice continues even today, with the full support of their cult.

Who is more morally bankrupt.

Muzzos who openly rape young children in sham pedophile marriages.

Or

Christian church that now punishes and denigrates the hidden disgusting practices by pedophile priests?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 5:53pm:


No problems.
When can I start?

A bit lower than I'm used to.
But if they can guarantee regular work, and accom and all expenses.
I could put up with it.

Especially as I would get to unite the scum of the world with the Lord to be judged for their crimes.

Pedos will get special attention.....a slow choke rather than a neck snap.

Do you think Valkie would get a sexual thrill out of choking someone?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 5:53pm:


Unless, of course, they preach at Hillsong, hey, Bobby?  They get to meet the el Presidente on his vouch safe, hey?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 10:03pm:

Snarly puss,  do you have any educated points, with your numerous degrees?  Or are you just an unwashed c***t when it's  all said and done?

Don't  answer, we know....


Run to FD, see if he bans me before he answers your question...

rhino wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 10:24pm:


Only the pedophiles, because for what they have done they deserve to sufer.

Do you support the pedophiles????