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Ayn Marx Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2937 South of Australia Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #45 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:51pm I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin
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Re: Paintings
Reply #46 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:29pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.

I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain.

It's not 'so called'.

You are a deviant. Don't pretend otherwise. You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #47 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:31pm Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:51pm: I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin I just knew it was going to be a rugged, outdoors type.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #48 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:52pm Paul Klienschmidt. German 1930s
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Reply #49 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:58pm

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants.

You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal.

Then you ruined everything you touched.

Yes.

Deviants do not demand a lot from us.

Deviants just want to be accepted [by everyone who is not a deviant], as normal.

Next, they'll be demanding that sex with babies should be accepted as normal.

Or, that killing people who look at them sideways, should be accepted as normal.

Q.
What is NOT normal, i ask you !

Deep Thought. HHGTTG

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40954 Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #50 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:59pm Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:51pm: I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin Thanks
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22246 A cat with a view	Re: Paintings Reply #51 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 11:02pm An opinion is 'art' too.
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Reply #52 - Dec 29^th, 2020 at 11:14pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:58pm:

Q.
What is NOT normal, i ask you !

If we [society] allow absolutely everything [any kind of behaviour], then any kind of behaviour,
becomes 'normal' behaviour.

Is that, what a tolerant society is ?

Is such a society, what we should all aspire to ?

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A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION......

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
- Thomas Mann

"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
- Charles J. Chaput

"And what is good, Phaedrus?
And what is not good?
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
- Plato

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #53 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 7:48am William Dobell did some interesting work in PNG. Great texture and style.
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Reply #54 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:51am

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.

I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain.

It's not 'so called'.

You are a deviant. Don't pretend otherwise. You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched.

Your response hints at some kind of traumatic sexual experience during childhood. Any form of such assault I condemn.If that’s not the reason for your extreme irrationality and hatred towards those your regard as deviant I can only suggest you seek therapy.
As to so called deviance itself I’m tempted to describe a long list of clients requirements as related to me by a lady friend who has owned and worked in a number of brothels in Melbourne and Sydney.
I’ll simply ask you where the borderline between your idea of ‘deviance' and ’normality’ is.
Would you describe her client, a Federal Supreme Court judge as deviant? He paid big money to stand naked in the bath masturbating whilst being slapped with raw tripe.
Had to bring his own tripe too.
Now lets look at another setup you’d regard as ‘deviant’. I have two close gay friends who are married and have two sons. The biological mother is in constant contact with the boys who are both thriving socially and academically. In case you feel the need to label their sexual behaviour as deviant you may wish to take into account neither of these men do or ever has practiced anal intercourse. Not that I’m necessarily against such having indulged on occasion myself. Too much detail for you petal?
And if you do want to label gay males as deviant for indulging in anal sex have a look at the high percentage of such acts portrayed on net porn with women on the receiving end. Considering women have no prostate gland to be stimulated so must simply grin and bear it. Excuse all the detail but it’s time somebody shoved reality in your intolerant face.

If you feel the need to continue this discussion can we move it to a more appropriate section of the forum?

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Ayn Marx Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2937 South of Australia Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #55 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:54am issuevoter wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:52pm: Paul Klienschmidt. German 1930s https://i.postimg.cc/fb7J8s4k/Paul-Klienschmidt.jpg Impressive but a bit creepy. But then again all ‘great’ art doesn’t have to be so called ‘beautiful’.
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Ayn Marx Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2937 South of Australia Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #56 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:59am Yadda wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:58pm: What is NOT normal, i ask you ![/b] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/normal
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40954 Gender:	Re: Paintings Reply #57 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:36am Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:51am: ...................... Had to bring his own tripe too. ....... Had to bring his OWN tripe !!!! Thanks for adding that detail
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Re: Paintings
Reply #58 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:41am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:36am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

...................... Had to bring his own tripe too. .......

Had to bring his OWN tripe !!!!

Thanks for adding that detail

Since learning of the learned gentleman’s preferences I have wondered if he purchased his tripe from the same butcher and what that butcher thought of his weekly order.
Me, I can’t even stand the smell of the stuff cooking let alone being - - - - - -

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Reply #59 - Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:45am

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.

I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain.

It's not 'so called'.

You are a deviant. Don't pretend otherwise. You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched.

Your response hints at some kind of traumatic sexual experience during childhood. Any form of such assault I condemn.If that’s not the reason for your extreme irrationality and hatred towards those your regard as deviant I can only suggest you seek therapy.
As to so called deviance itself I’m tempted to describe a long list of clients requirements as related to me by a lady friend who has owned and worked in a number of brothels in Melbourne and Sydney.
I’ll simply ask you where the borderline between your idea of ‘deviance' and ’normality’ is.
Would you describe her client, a Federal Supreme Court judge as deviant? He paid big money to stand naked in the bath masturbating whilst being slapped with raw tripe.
Had to bring his own tripe too.
Now lets look at another setup you’d regard as ‘deviant’. I have two close gay friends who are married and have two sons. The biological mother is in constant contact with the boys who are both thriving socially and academically. In case you feel the need to label their sexual behaviour as deviant you may wish to take into account neither of these men do or ever has practiced anal intercourse. Not that I’m necessarily against such having indulged on occasion myself. Too much detail for you petal?
And if you do want to label gay males as deviant for indulging in anal sex have a look at the high percentage of such acts portrayed on net porn with women on the receiving end. Consider women have no prostate gland to be stimulated so must simply grin and bear it. Excuse all the detail but it’s time somebody shoved reality in your intolerant face.

Taking this to another thread under philosophy.

"A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes

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