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Victorian "arbitrary detention" laws.
Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:18pm
 
Read an article in The Age just now (which I can't link) which talks about the Andrews Government attempting to introduce legislation to allow "authorised officers" to detain someone who they believe is "at risk of spreading COVID-19".

Now, I "get" that the intention is probably noble.

But what's that saying? Something about a road to somewhere being paved with good intentions...

The obvious "first layer" worry is that people...people who might disagree with the Government...could be targeted as potential "COVID spreaders", and thus be subject to detention.

A "Second layer" worry, is just who is an "authorised officer".

You'd think the Police would have a role to play, perhaps in collaboration with Health professionals. But after that?

Well, the article goes on to say:

"The Omnibus (Emergency Measures) Bill, which passed the government-controlled lower house on Friday also allows the government to expand its ranks of authorised officers to include PSOs, WorkSafe inspectors and non-government workers."

So, not only (potentially) do we have a situation where people could be subject to arbitrary detention, but we could also now have a situation where there is an expended cohort of people able to enforce that arbitrary detention.

Something of a potential slippery slope?

I think so.

Apparently, it would seem, I am not alone.

This also from the article:

"The body representing Victoria's barristers has written to the Andrews government warning the proposed laws could breach the state's human rights charter and allow citizens to be placed in arbitrary detention."

And this...

"A group of retired judges and leading QCs has also written to Mr Andrews opposing the emergency measures, which they say would result in "unprecedented, excessive" powers.

The Bar also called on the government to narrow the scope of who can be appointed to enforce public health rules."

You'd reckon they'd have something of a handle on the potential consequences of legislation "as drafted", wouldn't you?

All this from a Government led by a man who famously characterised Civil Liberties as "a luxury".

No mate...they are not.
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Reply #1 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:21pm
 
It's a bridge too far.

It will fail in the Upper House (hopefully).
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 6:36pm
 
"allow "authorised officers" to detain someone who they believe is "at risk of spreading COVID-19"."

Hmm - they could try that with AIDS etc.... but that wouldn't go down too well..
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Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 6:41pm
 
So basically they want to legalise what they're already doing.

Farrk the poo'lice.
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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 6:50pm
 
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Protective custody (Nazi Germany)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Protective custody (German: Schutzhaft), was the extra- or para-legal rounding-up of political opponents, Jews and other persecuted groups of people in Nazi Germany. It was sometimes officially defended as being necessary to protect them from the 'righteous' wrath of the German population. Schutzhaft did not provide for a judicial warrant, in fact the detainee would most probably never have seen a judge. The victims were then sent to concentration camps such as Dachau concentration camp or Buchenwald concentration camp.[1]
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Reply #5 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 7:01pm
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 7:26pm
 
Hi Gordon,
from now on he is referred to as "the dear one."
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Reply #7 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 2:13pm
 
Seems like they've caved on the arbitrary detention aspects of the bill, and tightened the definition of "authorised officers".

From The Age today...

"However, following intense negotiations with crossbench MPs Rod Barton, Stuart Grimley, Tania Maxwell, Andy Meddick and Jeff Bourman, Labor has agreed to abandon the controversial "preventative" detention powers in the bill, and tighten the scope of authorised officers."

A win of sorts, at least.
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Good.  Cool
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Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 4:05pm
 
When is the vote in the upper house?
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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 5:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 7th, 2020 at 4:05pm:
When is the vote in the upper house?


No mention of that in the article.
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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 5:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 7:26pm:
Hi Gordon,
from now on he is referred to as "the dear one."



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Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 5:46pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:18pm:
Read an article in The Age



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Reply #13 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 9:49am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 7th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 7:26pm:
Hi Gordon,
from now on he is referred to as "the dear one."



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



He's a dear leader who loves you very much.
One day we will all learn to love him.
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2020 at 11:03am
 
Arbitrary detention laws are already in existence but I guess no one cared when it only applied to tinted folk as part of anti terrorism laws.
But now that it is being applied to white folk the Right is outraged
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