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Sep 23rd, 2020 at 12:22pm
 
Coalition’s NBN backflip will cost billions of dollars more   Sad

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SEPTEMBER 23, 202i


The federal government is announcing a major upgrade to the National Broadband Network (NBN), promising to deliver ultra-fast internet connections to homes if users choose to ...
It’s being described as a “mega backflip”, “too late” and “a joke.”

Just seven years after Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull scrapped Labor’s original national broadband rollout to deliver superfast speeds to the family home, it’s back.

Two million Australian households will be able to demand fibre-to-the-home internet by 2023 in suburbs across Australia under the Morrison Government’s new plan to be unveiled today.



It follows widespread concerns during the coronavirus pandemic over slow internet speeds and millions of Australians were forced to work from home.

The upgrade is expected to deliver a further eight million homes access to broadband speeds of up to one gigabit per second by 2023. Currently the mandatory minimum is 25 Megabits per second.

The only problem is the announcement by the Morrison Government today is billions of dollars more expensive than the original proposal the Coalition scrapped.

Labor was set to spent $45 billion on its original plan, while the Coalition will end up spending $51 billion.

Former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, who has never stopped complaining about the decision to reverse his original policy, was quick to pounce.


“What a mega backflip on the part by Morrison,’’ he said.

Kevin Rudd was not happy with the decision, as you'd expect.


“For 7 years they’ve botched my government’s 2009 plan for fibre to the premises, instead wasting billions with fibre to the mythical ‘node’, giving us the worst speeds in the world. Now this! What total policy frauds.”   Sad

But the reaction online from internet enthusiasts has been just as brutal on social media with users complaining it was “too late” and “a joke”.

Ten years ago this month, it was former Liberal leader Tony Abbott who promoted Malcolm Turnbull back onto the frontbench with a mission to “demolish” Labor’s NBN.

“The Government is going to invest $43 billion worth of hard-earned money in what I believe is going to turn out to be a white elephant on a massive scale,” Mr Abbott said at the time.

“I’ve already described it as school halls on steroids, and we can be certain the NBN will be to this term of government what pink batts and school halls were to the last term of government.

Communications Minister Paul Fletcher says the demand for high speed internet had increased because of more people working from home.


Mr Abbott, who declared he was “not a tech head”, suggested it was a policy for video gamers and people who wanted to watch home movies.

“We are not against using the internet for all these things, but do we really want to invest $50 billion worth of hard-earned taxpayers’ money in what is essentially a video entertainment system?’’ he said.

After the Liberal Party won the 2013 election, Mr Turnbull was responsible for the policy switch in government.

Communications Minister Paul Fletcher insisted today however that the demand among customers who were prepared to pay for superfast internet speeds wasn’t there 7 years ago.

“The 2013 decision by the Coalition to roll out the NBN quickly, then phase upgrades around emerging demand, has served Australia well,” Mr Fletcher said.

“The multi-technology mix was critical to getting the NBN rolled out as quickly as possible.

“When COVID hit, and millions of Australians shifted to working and studying from home, it was vital that we had good broadband as widely available as possible. If we’d stuck with Labor’s plan, it be would have been almost 5 million fewer homes.”

But Mr Fletcher said the connection would only be built if a customer ordered a high-speed plan, but there would be no upfront connection charge.

“Very importantly, it will be based on the principle of demand,” Mr Fletcher said.

“So we’ll roll the fibre down the street, but then the fibre lead into the home will only be built when there’s a customer order.”

Under the plan, the Morrison Government will also announce 130 zones including Rockhampton, Bunbury, Port Macquarie, Coffs Harbour, Mt Gambier and Devonport for upgrades with more to follow.

The zones were designated areas where there was a density of businesses within a “reasonable distance” of existing NBN infrastructure.

“For the first time, businesses outside capital city centres within these business fibre zones will have access to CBD zone wholesale prices, driving annual cost savings of between $1200 and $6000,” Mr Fletcher said.

But Labor’s communications spokeswoman Michelle Rowland said the new plan will involve duplicating both cost and time, to connect Australian businesses with fibre after the Liberals left them behind with copper.   Sad

“After spending $51 billion on a second-rate network, and wasting seven years, it turns out fibre is what Australian businesses needed all along,’’ she said.
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Reply #1 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 12:49pm
 
This would actually be hilarious if it wasn't for the billions of dollars the Liberals have wasted on their 'cheap' version of the NBN since 2013.

Now, they have to spend a lot more money to do the job properly - the way it should have been done in the first place. Maybe this was their plan all along - creating employment by having to do the job twice (shame about the massive waste of taxpayers' money over the past 7 years, of course).

I was one of the lucky ones who got fibre to the premises 5 years ago, only because our area had already been contracted to be done with FTTP by the previous Labor Federal government.

Oh, where's juliar? I'd love to hear his opinion about this. Grin

Will it still be a "Socialist Spying Network"  Cheesy Cheesy, as you said it would have been if Labor had built it with their original plan for FTTP for most of Australia?
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 12:54pm
 
Carl D wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 12:49pm:
This would actually be hilarious if it wasn't for the billions of dollars the Liberals have wasted on their 'cheap' version of the NBN since 2013.

Now, they have to spend a lot more money to do the job properly - the way it should have been done in the first place. Maybe this was their plan all along - creating employment by having to do the job twice (shame about the massive waste of taxpayers' money over the past 7 years, of course).

I was one of the lucky ones who got fibre to the premises 5 years ago, only because our area had already been contracted to be done with FTTP by the previous Labor Federal government.

Oh, where's juliar? I'd love to hear his opinion about this. Grin

Will it still be a "Socialist Spying Network"  Cheesy Cheesy, as you said it would have been if Labor had built it with their original plan for FTTP for most of Australia?


Yep, me too  Smiley

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Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:01pm
 
I was one who benefited from the hybrid system that the Coalition brought in.

I was tuck on poor ADSL midway between two exchanges. very crappy speed as a result.

I'm on HFC now and if Kevvie's plan (which I agree would have been better) had been the only way to go ... I would have had to wait 4 or 5 years longer to get on the NBN.

So it has helped many get onto the NBN faster.  Cool

Now, we do need to get rid of the most amount of copper possible, so getting the fibre to the home is the next thing to be done.



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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:14pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:01pm:
I was one who benefited from the hybrid system that the Coalition brought in.

I was tuck on poor ADSL midway between two exchanges. very crappy speed as a result.

I'm on HFC now and if Kevvie's plan (which I agree would have been better) had been the only way to go ... I would have had to wait 4 or 5 years longer to get on the NBN.

So it has helped many get onto the NBN faster.  Cool

Now, we do need to get rid of the most amount of copper possible, so getting the fibre to the home is the next thing to be done.






Yes, I agree, that's sensible.

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Reply #5 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 2:20pm
 
NBN executives eye bonuses despite government pay crackdown   Sad
Sydney Morning Herald
September 23, 2020

The national broadband network is poised to pay millions of dollars in bonuses to its senior management, including highly paid chief executive Stephen Rue, despite its plans to cut hundreds of staff and a government crackdown on public service pay.

The $51 billion taxpayer-funded organisation will reveal its corporate plan on Wednesday but will not produce its annual report, which includes details of executive bonuses, until late October.


NBN CEO Stephen Rue and his executive team typically receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses.

The Morrison government earlier this month leaned on the board of directors of Australia Post to veto more than $7 million of bonuses to its executive team as the nation faced a spike in unemployment amid the worst recession in more than 90 years following the global outbreak of COVID-19.

NBN Co typically pays hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses to key executives each year on top of their standard wages, with Mr Rue receiving a $1.7 million salary package in 2019 and an extra $828,000 in short-term incentives.



"In order to remain competitive and attract and retain critical talent to the organisation, NBN benchmarks senior executive remuneration against other telecommunications companies although the remuneration mix between fixed and variable pay is consistently more aligned to that of a GBE than any listed entity," NBN Co said in a statement.


Mr Rue revealed in July NBN Co was intending to make 800 people redundant out of its 6300-strong workforce by the end of 2020 as the rollout of the network completes. The job cuts were put on hold during the height of the coronavirus pandemic so the network could handle higher levels of demand from people using their home internet to work remotely.

In August, NBN Co said it had exceeded its corporate plan 2020-23 targets for the 2020 financial year, including connecting 230,000 more premises to the network than required. More than 11.7 million homes and businesses were ready to connect by June 30 and 7.3 million were connected.

The federal government put a freeze on pay increases for MPs, judges and senior public servants in April against a backdrop of rising unemployment across the country.

This week it urged staff at the ABC to vote to defer an imminent pay rise to show solidarity with other public servants, journalists in commercial media and the broader community making sacrifices during the recession.

Senior figures within the Morrison government are also infuriated at the decision of staff at the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to reject a pay pause, labelling the move greedy and insensitive at a time when pay rises for overworked staff at Centrelink and other agencies have been put on hold.   Sad







Labor's government accountability spokeswoman, Kimberley Kitching, said NBN executives were "among the best paid and least accountable" in Australia.

"Their continued refusal to answer any questions on their entertainment spend of almost $900,000 in just over a year wouldn't even fly amongst the Australia Post senior management team," she said.

NBN Co's board remuneration committee determines the payment of top executives at the internet broadband wholesaler, including the bonus structure.

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Reply #6 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 4:45pm
 
This decision just highlights the stupidity of the libs and their supporters.
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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 7:52am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 1:01pm:
I was one who benefited from the hybrid system that the Coalition brought in.

I was stuck on poor ADSL midway between two exchanges. very crappy speed as a result.

I'm on HFC now and if Kevvie's plan (which I agree would have been better) had been the only way to go ... I would have had to wait 4 or 5 years longer to get on the NBN.

So it has helped many get onto the NBN faster.  Cool

Now, we do need to get rid of the most amount of copper possible, so getting the fibre to the home is the next thing to be done.





The question which needs to be asked, given that the LNP reckoned their "hybrid" solution would be quicker/cheaper, is this.

What will it ultimately cost, to roll the thing out in hybrid form, and then go around remediating/removing/replacing the copper network retrospectively?

It's somewhat analogous to what the ACT Government did when they put the Gungahlin Drive Extension (GDE) through. Cleared the land, graded and levelled it suitable for 4 lanes, and then built a two-lane road through.

Immediately on finishing it, they realised it was already well overcrowded at peak times, so went back and duplicated it. At far greater cost and inconvenience than would have been the case if they'd just "done it right" in the first place.

I get that at least you have a better connection than would have been the case on your old ADSL, so not having a go at you, particularly given your stated 5 year timeframe to get "proper" NBN through.

In our situation here, we are about 600 or so metres from the junction. When we moved into the place, we got the NBN connected. (FTTN).

Kept getting drop outs. Eventually got the ISP to have the NBN techs do a proper line test, and they found issues at three different points in the copper between our place and the junction.

As a result, there have been a series of (small) outages since, as they make repairs to the copper network, and that is my worry for FTTN-connected subscribers going forward.

We'll eventually get what will be an inferior NBN, because of LNP ideology and the whole "if Labor thought of it, it must be bad" mentality. (A bit like Super, really, but I digress).

Then, we'll all pay a sh*tload more to "upgrade" the hybrid NBN to something resembling what Labor initially proposed in the first place.

Will anyone be held to account for that waste of taxpayer's dollars?

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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 8:07am
 
it will of course CREATE JOBS   which is what we need right now.
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Reply #9 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 12:53pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 8:07am:
it will of course CREATE JOBS   which is what we need right now.


Are you in PR, by any chance?
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Reply #10 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 4:07pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 8:07am:
it will of course CREATE JOBS   which is what we need right now.


That reminds me - about 2 or 3 years back I was talking to a couple of NBN blokes up near Belmont Forum who were working on one of those telephone wire 'torpedoes' or 'bombs' that you see on the street verges everywhere and they were organizing the connection of the telephone lines to the big green NBN node box (which, for some odd reason was located over the other side of the road instead of next to the torpedo -  I asked them why that was so but I can't recall the answer).

Anyway, I was telling them that I was one of the lucky few with fibre to the premises and asked them what they thought about the Liberal Federal government changing Labor's original FTTP NBN and they said something like "Oh, the Liberals are pretty clever, they know what they're doing".

Perhaps they could see the future (now) where the Liberals have to concede their "sooner, cheaper faster" NBN is a failure and they now have to get the NBN done properly and its more work (i.e. $$$) for them?

Oh, I have a picture of the 'torpedo' and NBN node I mentioned above, thanks to Google Earth Street View. Its in Knutsford Avenue near Wright Street not far from Belmont Forum shopping centre (Greg will probably recognize it, you can see Belmont Tavern in the background on the left).

Edit: Sorry, Greg - before the 'peanut gallery' arrives I'm not implying you're a regular there or anything like that.
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Reply #11 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 4:50pm
 
The fibre will come from the stupid nodes. The nodes were placed close to Telstra mainframes. A real fibre network will have small fibre distribution boxes where it best serves the network. How much power will be needed?

Smells of a confidence trick. It is certainly NOT a well designed fibre FTTH network. A bodge on a bodge. If they are going to run out fibre for goodness sake roll it out properly!

Can we get rid of the ridiculous speed tiers? EVERYBODY should be on a 1Gbps symmetric speed and pay a minimum fee plus pay more the more data they upload and download, With fibre 1Gbps costs no more than 12:1mbps and 1Gbps over fibre costs less than 12:1 on FTTN because there are no copper remediation costs and a LOT less power consumption.
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Reply #12 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 5:08pm
 
The NBN upgrade isn't a backflip, it's a forward roll


NBN Co’s announcement of plans to invest $4.5 billion to upgrade the national broadband network is being portrayed as a backflip from Malcolm Turnbull’s controversial multi-technology mix rollout and a reversion to the all-fibre network the original Labor envisaged. It’s not.

While it could be regarded as a flip in mindset, the investments that will enable around 75 per cent of homes and businesses in the NBN’s fixed line footprint to access speeds of between 500 Mbps and 1 Gbps is perfectly aligned with the strategy Mr Turnbull outlined when he tore up Labor’s blueprint for the network in 2013.

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The premise of the shift from Labor’s original fibre-to-the-premises vision to the multi-technology-mix was to build the NBN far more quickly and cheaply and then, as demand for higher speeds emerged, upgrade the network.

As a former investment banker, Mr Turnbull understood the time value of money. The lower the capital expenditures before NBN Co broke even in cash terms the smaller the total investment and losses and the quicker the business could reach the point where it was able to fund itself and sensibly invest in upgrades.

To the extent there is a flip, it is from the original "build it and they will come" approach of Kevin Rudd and Stephen Conroy to the "build it once they’ve shown they need it and are prepared to pay for it" philosophy that underpins NBN Co’s announcement.

Conroy dismissed criticism of the lack of a cost-benefit analysis for the original NBN because the future demand for broadband and the applications that might emerge were unforeseeable.

We now know a lot more about the demand, and the applications, and it is quite evident that until relatively recently – in the past three years or so – most Australians didn’t need, and weren’t prepared to pay for, the higher speeds an all-fibre network would have offered.

Until 2017, when NBN Co started discounting its 50 Mbps plans, most of the end-users were on 12 Mbps and 25 Mbps plans.

Even now, nearly a third of them are on those lower-speed plans and NBN Co expects that by 2024 there will still be only about 20 per cent of businesses and households on plans with 50 Mbps-plus speeds.


Today, even where there is fibre-to-the-premises, the take-up of plans with download speeds greater than 50 Mbps among those premises is in the mid-teens. There’d be a lot of very expensive and wasteful unused capacity if every premise in the network were connected to fibre.

Labor’s gold-plated network was originally expected to cost $44 billion, although Mr Turnbull’s strategic review estimated it would actually cost nearly $73 billion. Given what we now know – the cost of the multi-technology rollout has blown out from Mr Turnbull’s initial estimate of $29.5 billion to $51 billion – that $73 billion was probably wildly conservative, as would have been the completion date of 2021.

At the rate the rollout was going when Bill Morrow took over in 2014 – only 70,000 premises were using the network by mid-2013, four years after the build started and three years after the first customer was connected – it would probably have been the back half of this decade, if not later, before the build was completed.

As it happens the NBN was effectively completed – in June – just in time. The pandemic has seen demand for broadband and for higher speeds soar as work and education and health services have migrated from offices, schools and clinics to homes.

Some aspects of those changes are likely to be permanent – there will be a structural increase in demand beyond the 20 to 30 per cent per year compound rate at which demand had been increasing.

It is the completion of the network and that fundamental change in demand the pandemic will create that validate the new plans revealed by NBN Co chief executive Stephen Rue on Wednesday.

NBN Co will spend $3.5 billion to upgrade its fibre-to-the-node, fibre-to-the-curb and HFC networks, $700 million to support businesses and $1.5 billion to fund both the normal expansion of the network as well as increased investment in regional areas.

The core of the investment strategy isn’t to migrate to an all-fibre-to-the-premises network – the HFC network will still support about 2.5 million premises, or more than 20 per cent of users, for instance – but to bring fibre closer to premises so that those willing to pay for higher speeds can access them.

It’s a demand-driven and commercial approach. The incremental investment will add, not just extra revenue, but profitable revenue to NBN Co.

More to the point, it will be funded by NBN Co borrowing from private debt markets, not by increased taxpayer exposure. NBN Co is planning to repay the $19.5 billion of government funding it now has by mid-2024 and fund the new investments and its normal needs by borrowing $27.5 billion in those private markets.

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https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/the-nbn-upgrade-isn-t-a-backflip-it...
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Reply #13 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 5:16pm
 
Repay, get private funding pfffft!

NBN Co cannot get enough revenue now to break even. No private lenders will touch it.

What may be behind this: 5G is being rolled out and will take a slice of customers away from copper crap, further decreasing NBN Co revenue.

There was no money saving switching to the mish mash of crap—look up Project Fox, the Melton, Vic rollout: the FTTH NBN could have been rolled out in half the time for half the money.

Now they are trying to compete with 5G and doing it cack handed, as you expect from the shambles in Canberra pretending to be a government.

Once the idiotic speed tiers are done away with people will love the real speed, jobs will be generated—look up the Chattanooga FTTH rollout.
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Reply #15 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 7:26pm
 
Where I live electricity is still delivered with horse and cart.

I suffered with ADSL for years with lightening speeds up to 4mbps.

The copper NBN dragged those speeds right up there to nearly a massive 14mbps.

On a good day, I can now get up to 28mbps.

In other words, it's total shite.

My mate in Finlad gets a minimum 100 mbps .

He pays far less and his mobile phone costs a fraction of what we pay.

Same for friends in the US, Canada, UK and even China, mind you the Chinese internet is restricted somewhat considerably.

We pay far too much for far too little.

Too many public servants own shares in telecommunication businesses, and just like housing they want to maximise their profits at the people's expense.

I envision, in 20 years time, my electricity will be still delivered by horse and cart.

And my internet speed will max out at 50 mbps......maybe.
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Reply #16 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 7:40pm
 
Great article here.


Today, even where there is fibre-to-the-premises, the take-up of plans with download speeds greater than 50 Mbps among those premises is in the mid-teens. There’d be a lot of very expensive and wasteful unused capacity if every premise in the network were connected to fibre.

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Reply #17 - Sep 24th, 2020 at 7:48pm
 
That is because speed tiers are still a thing, they would have been removed well before now in the original plan. It is also to do what people expect to pay for internet, about $60/month. With the copper rubbish being such a large part there is a lack of confidence in the network. Cementing that is the fact NBN Co does not provide enough bandwidth for the tiers.

Nah, rubbish, forget it. Hook everyone (bar the remote places) to 1Gpbs symmetric via FTTH. Then charge for data downloaded. It is the data puts the load on the system.

Read the Chattanooga experience.
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Reply #18 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 5:46am
 
Have you activated your NBN connection yet?  Roll Eyes
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Valkie wrote on Sep 24th, 2020 at 7:26pm:
Where I live electricity is still delivered with horse and cart.

I suffered with ADSL for years with lightening speeds up to 4mbps.

The copper NBN dragged those speeds right up there to nearly a massive 14mbps.

On a good day, I can now get up to 28mbps.

In other words, it's total shite.

My mate in Finlad gets a minimum 100 mbps .

He pays far less and his mobile phone costs a fraction of what we pay.

Same for friends in the US, Canada, UK and even China, mind you the Chinese internet is restricted somewhat considerably.

We pay far too much for far too little.

Too many public servants own shares in telecommunication businesses, and just like housing they want to maximise their profits at the people's expense.

I envision, in 20 years time, my electricity will be still delivered by horse and cart.

And my internet speed will max out at 50 mbps......maybe.


At one stage, we owned a property in a Latin Amercian country. Had the previous owners rent it from us for a while.

Thing is, the Estate in which the house was built had been set up ffrom the get go with proper pits etc. so that Fibre cabling could be retrofitted easily, when the technology became widely available.

One day, we get an email from the tenants. "The local internet providers are running fibre past the front of the estate. Would you like them to run fibre to the house while they're there? Cost about $USD250"

Hmm...let me think about it.

A couple of days later, 100Mb to the house.

Meanwhile, back in Australia... Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 4:03pm
 
I don't have any complaints about my NBN connection. I can stream, etc no problem.   What do you want to do with 1gbps?
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Re: Coalitions NBN Backflip Will Cost Billions More
Reply #21 - Sep 27th, 2020 at 7:59am
 
Neferti wrote on Sep 25th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
I don't have any complaints about my NBN connection. I can stream, etc no problem.   What do you want to do with 1gbps?


Until you experience super fast internet, you don't know what you are missing.

In Canada I experienced seriously fast internet.
No waiting for a page to load, it was "just there"

No pauses, no booting, no little blue circle.

You could download a full movie, at HD, in about 7 seconds.

Communications between sites was lightning fast.
In Sweden, Finland and the US, all very fast.
In most countries free wifi at restaurants and in shopping centers was fast and secure.

When I came home, it was like going back into the stone age.

We are being sold a dud by dud grubberment hand wringers.

Our lazy, incompetent and greedy grubberment will drip feed us and pocket as much as they can in the process.

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Re: Coalitions NBN Backflip Will Cost Billions More
Reply #22 - Sep 27th, 2020 at 11:27am
 
The Coalition believe that building an obsolete network and then having to replace it before it is even finished is good management....This is an admission that the mangled network Abbott and Turnbull threw together is an expensive failure and typical of a party philosophy that puts vested interests before good public policy....The Coalition and it's pathetic supporters should hang their heads in shame over this disgraceful admission of failed policy by the Coalition "again"!!!

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