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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #15 - Sep 25^th, 2020 at 9:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 9:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

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I am not underestimating them, Bobby. I am taking a long, hard look at them and I recognise their deficiencies, far more than you do. You seem to believe that simply buying a toy automatically makes them capable of operating it effectively. I don't.

They are training -
they are learning and getting better every day.

So, they are incapable of attacking Australia today, or tomorrow or even the next day, Bobby? Roll Eyes

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, OK, Bobby? Roll Eyes

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'cause neither the PRC or the US wants it, Bobby. Roll Eyes

Then we have to go to the United Nations and form an alliance with
other countries that also want an arms reduction treaty.
We have to at least try.
Standing by watching and doing nothing is not an option.
ScoMo needs to grow a set of balls.

Who is el Presidente' at the moment? Who is PM, Bobby. Not going to happen from this end... Roll Eyes

If an arms reduction treaty is not forced upon China
and maybe the USA too - then the result will be a war.

Should we do nothing?

No but we should place any money betting on something that is unlikely to occur, Bobby. Roll Eyes

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #16 - Sep 25^th, 2020 at 10:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm:

The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a
superpower like China.
It's there just as a morale booster for the people
to think that we aren't defenseless.

Therefore at least their disaster efforts provide some good for all the money we spend.

China is not lurking, just beyond the horizon, Bobby. We have discussed this, at length, several times. It seems you just will not understand how remote Australia is and how pitiful the Chinese forces are for amphibious operations. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

China has the largest navy in the world.
tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://www.naval-technology.com/features/china-boasts-worlds-largest-navy-us-do...

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has released its ‘2020 China Military Power Report’ showing that the People’s Republic of China (PRC) has the largest navy in the world, surpassing the US Navy.

China’s fleet breakdown

Aircraft carriers – 2
Cruisers – 1
Destroyers – 32
Frigates – 49
Corvettes – 37
Amphibious transport dock – 37
Medium landing ships – 21
Diesel attack submarines – 46
Nuclear attack submarines – 6
Ballistic missile submarines – 4
Coastal patrol (missile) – 86

I hope they have a warranty on all that stuff because if its like everything else made in China it wont last very long.

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #17 - Sep 25^th, 2020 at 10:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 9:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 25^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

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I am not underestimating them, Bobby. I am taking a long, hard look at them and I recognise their deficiencies, far more than you do. You seem to believe that simply buying a toy automatically makes them capable of operating it effectively. I don't.

They are training -
they are learning and getting better every day.

So, they are incapable of attacking Australia today, or tomorrow or even the next day, Bobby? Roll Eyes

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, OK, Bobby? Roll Eyes

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'cause neither the PRC or the US wants it, Bobby. Roll Eyes

Then we have to go to the United Nations and form an alliance with
other countries that also want an arms reduction treaty.
We have to at least try.
Standing by watching and doing nothing is not an option.
ScoMo needs to grow a set of balls.

Who is el Presidente' at the moment? Who is PM, Bobby. Not going to happen from this end... Roll Eyes

If an arms reduction treaty is not forced upon China
and maybe the USA too - then the result will be a war.

Should we do nothing?

No but we should place any money betting on something that is unlikely to occur, Bobby. Roll Eyes

I think you meant
"we shouldn't place"

We have to try but there is little chance the USA and China would listen to us.

We'd need a coalition of the willing
amongst 100 other countries to help us
put pressure on the belligerents.
We would need to threaten sanctions to force them to comply.
It's a David and Goliath battle but one that needs
to be fought or China and the USA could drag us all into WW3.

I notice that both WW1 & WW2 took a year or more to really
get going as one country after another was dragged into it.
We must not repeat shocking history -
we must learn from it.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 39526	Re: What are the Defence Forces for? Reply #18 - Sep 26^th, 2020 at 2:06pm Good luck, Bobby. When are you speaking to the UN to forge this "coalition of the willing"? How much money do you have? Do you have a crowd funding page?
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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #19 - Sep 26^th, 2020 at 2:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm:

The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a
superpower like China.
It's there just as a morale booster for the people
to think that we aren't defenseless.

Therefore at least their disaster efforts provide some good for all the money we spend.

China is not lurking, just beyond the horizon, Bobby. We have discussed this, at length, several times. It seems you just will not understand how remote Australia is and how pitiful the Chinese forces are for amphibious operations. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

China has the largest navy in the world.

The size of their navy isn't important, Bobby. Their lack of experience in long range operations is far more important. Their lack of experience in amphibious operations is as important. When they gain them, you will have a reason to worry. Of course, one wonders why they would bother to invade Australia, so far from China? Afterall, there isn't much that we won't sell them... Roll Eyes

Why did Japan expand in the 30s and 40s? What did they want that they couldn't simply buy?

Why does china need a base at the Spratleys? How they react if Australia built a naval base there? Or Vietnam? Or the US?

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #20 - Sep 26^th, 2020 at 9:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2020 at 2:06pm:

Good luck, Bobby. When are you speaking to the UN to forge this "coalition of the willing"? How much money do you have? Do you have a crowd funding page? Roll Eyes

It won't happen -
we're doomed to repeat the same errors of the 20th century.
People saw it coming then too but
no Govt did anything to stop it and
by then it was too late.

It starts with arms races.
Stop the arms race.

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #21 - Sep 26^th, 2020 at 9:50pm

Frank wrote on Sep 26^th, 2020 at 2:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2020 at 5:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm:

The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a
superpower like China.
It's there just as a morale booster for the people
to think that we aren't defenseless.

Therefore at least their disaster efforts provide some good for all the money we spend.

China is not lurking, just beyond the horizon, Bobby. We have discussed this, at length, several times. It seems you just will not understand how remote Australia is and how pitiful the Chinese forces are for amphibious operations. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

China has the largest navy in the world.

The size of their navy isn't important, Bobby. Their lack of experience in long range operations is far more important. Their lack of experience in amphibious operations is as important. When they gain them, you will have a reason to worry. Of course, one wonders why they would bother to invade Australia, so far from China? Afterall, there isn't much that we won't sell them... Roll Eyes

Why did Japan expand in the 30s and 40s? What did they want that they couldn't simply buy?

Imperialism, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Why does china need a base at the Spratleys? How they react if Australia built a naval base there? Or Vietnam? Or the US?

Why would we want to build a naval base in the South China Sea, Soren? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #22 - Sep 28^th, 2020 at 5:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26^th, 2020 at 9:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2020 at 2:06pm:

Good luck, Bobby. When are you speaking to the UN to forge this "coalition of the willing"? How much money do you have? Do you have a crowd funding page? Roll Eyes

It won't happen -
we're doomed to repeat the same errors of the 20th century.
People saw it coming then too but
no Govt did anything to stop it and
by then it was too late.

It starts with arms races.
Stop the arms race.

Seems to have stopped during the Cold War, Bobby. The US and the fUSSR negotiated several arms control treaties. Seems to have slowed the nuclear arms race. Bobby, when are you, personally, going to do something about your concerns? When are you going to address the United Nation's General Assembly? When are you going to put your case to the world, rather than just this tiny little corner of the Web? Mmm? Roll Eyes

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #23 - Sep 28^th, 2020 at 7:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26^th, 2020 at 9:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2020 at 2:06pm:

Good luck, Bobby. When are you speaking to the UN to forge this "coalition of the willing"? How much money do you have? Do you have a crowd funding page? Roll Eyes

It won't happen -
we're doomed to repeat the same errors of the 20th century.
People saw it coming then too but
no Govt did anything to stop it and
by then it was too late.

It starts with arms races.
Stop the arms race.

Seems to have stopped during the Cold War, Bobby. The US and the fUSSR negotiated several arms control treaties. Seems to have slowed the nuclear arms race. Bobby, when are you, personally, going to do something about your concerns? When are you going to address the United Nation's General Assembly? When are you going to put your case to the world, rather than just this tiny little corner of the Web? Mmm? Roll Eyes

No one will listen to me.
An arms treaty is the elephant in the room that
no Govt. wants to even mention in SEA.
That's why we're doomed.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: What are the Defence Forces for? Reply #24 - Sep 28^th, 2020 at 7:40pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm: The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a superpower like China.. Our boys are better than most. I'd rather one Aussie soldier defending me to ten chinese
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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #25 - Sep 28^th, 2020 at 7:46pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm:

The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a
superpower like China..

Our boys are better than most. I'd rather one Aussie soldier defending me to ten chinese

Smith - you're a dreamer -
that's just wishful thinking.

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #26 - Sep 28^th, 2020 at 10:50pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm:

The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a
superpower like China..

Our boys are better than most. I'd rather one Aussie soldier defending me to ten chinese

Yes.

This is the bullshit that Bobby prefers to believe in:

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Re: What are the Defence Forces for?
Reply #27 - Sep 29^th, 2020 at 5:21am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 10:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2020 at 12:19pm:

The ADF is so puny that it could never rebuff an attack from a
superpower like China..

Our boys are better than most. I'd rather one Aussie soldier defending me to ten chinese

Yes.

This is the bullshit that Bobby prefers to believe in:

I fixed the link for you Brian:

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 39526	Re: What are the Defence Forces for? Reply #28 - Sep 29^th, 2020 at 1:16pm Why thank'ee, Bobby, how kind of you. Is it what you're basing your views on the PRC military on?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95241 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What are the Defence Forces for? Reply #29 - Sep 29^th, 2020 at 4:09pm Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2020 at 1:16pm: Why thank'ee, Bobby, how kind of you. Is it what you're basing your views on the PRC military on? That only revealed 1% of the Chinese capability. Remember - they have the largest navy in the world.
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