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Reply #30 - Sep 26th, 2020 at 6:51pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Sep 26th, 2020 at 8:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2020 at 6:55am:
A raise in Medicare Levy would go into 'consolidated revenue' - you saw clearly how that works with all the money donated to help 'bushfire victims' that instead went into the coffers of the organisations who had control over the funds and disappeared for 'other services'.

Remember the poor old 7.5% out of your wage to fund your eventual pension??  A hidden tax that remains to this day while 'governments' try to argue that pensions are a handout.... though theirs never are.

Boot the bloody lot and start again.


I'm glad someone else does.

Had the local LNP muppet going on about that -  trying to airbrush it from history (as they do  Roll Eyes )

I sent him a lengthy email asking that very question. To date, no response.

Trouble is, people (many) still believe the fiction put out by the LNP that a pension is some kind of "privilege" for the few (a cohort that seemingly gets smaller year on year).

People will say "I paid taxes for 40 years of my life, so surely I am entitled to some kind of pension in my twilight years?"

Others will pile on saying "Your taxes paid for services you consumed through your working life. You have no entitlement to a pension!"

There are plenty who've gone through their working life having had no Government largesse. No middle class welfare (think Family Tax Benefits Parts A and B). No government subsidies. Nothing.

Many of those people are "net payers" into the system.

Then the Government turns around at the end of their working lives and says "Sorry, we've changed the rules again...if you need access to a pension, you'll have to sell your non-income producing shelter (home) and take your chances in the rental market..."  Roll Eyes

But they've still been paying that 7.5% through-life...


Joys of being an old bastard with a long memory....
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Reply #31 - Sep 26th, 2020 at 9:44pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Sep 26th, 2020 at 1:24pm:
rhino wrote on Sep 26th, 2020 at 11:35am:
I will never go into an aged care home. If Im too feeble to care for myself then thats it. No way am i relying on anyone to wipe my bum and eat baby food. Lots of people living longer in our society but not living better. People shouldn't linger, its against the natural order.



Can't say as I blame you. In an ideal world, I'd prefer to have in-home care for as long as possible, then shuffle quietly off this mortal coil.

There used to be a saying...something along the lines of a society being judged by how it treats its poor, sick and aged. Not sure we're going that well on any of those measures currently. Aged Care is of particular concern.
we simply do not and wont have in the future the resources to provide adequate care for the ever increasing amount of disabled people. And old people who cannot effectively care for themselves are disabled. Our population is aging and the amount of elderly will increase substantially in the future, medical science is helping peoples longevity but not quality of life. No point living to be 100 if you spend 20 of those years being shuffled around in a wheelchair strapped to an oxygen bottle. Medical science needs to concentrate on providing people with healthier lifespans not longer ones. And people who ignore medical advice and give themselves lifestyle illnesses should not be able to access ever increasing amounts of medical support, we need to bite the bullet on this one. We simply do not have the resources to support the large amount of self entitled wilfully stupid people in this world.
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Reply #32 - Sep 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm
 
"We simply do not have the resources to support the large amount of self entitled wilfully stupid people in this world."

Politicians?  Their mates?  They're a pretty self-entitled lot... unless you subscribe to the ideas of St Tony Of The Repository of Wisdom, who meant that the Age of Entitlement™ being over was for the peasants who already had no entitlements........ well - he was right there...... it was over before it started for them..... now for getting rid of the genuinely (self) Entitled™ lots...
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Reply #33 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 10:48am
 
"JobSeeker appears to be functioning as a kind of pre-age pension payment for some older Australians,” the report states.

“The share of recipients aged 60 and older also increased for both genders, with a larger rise among females.”

Between 2007 and 2019, the share of recipients on JobSeeker for one year or more rose from 48 to 71 per cent for women and from 51 to 63 per cent for men.

One-third of women on JobSeeker and 29 per cent of men aged 55 and above had been on the payment for five or more years in June 2019.

The report expects this will increase government spending on welfare, irrespective of short-term fluctuations in unemployment, because of the gradual increase in the pension age to 67 years.

It also noted that there were “many more older women” on JobSeeker than are counted as unemployed.

This is understood to be a result of less stringent requirements on people over 54, compared with young people, to apply for jobs to receive the dole.

Australian Greens Senator Rachel Siewert said: “We are looking at a crisis of older women retiring into poverty.”

The Parliamentary Budget Office expects an increase in JobSeeker expenditure will be partially offset by savings from the eligibility changes of other income support payments.
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Reply #34 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 2:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 2nd, 2020 at 10:48am:
"JobSeeker appears to be functioning as a kind of pre-age pension payment for some older Australians,” the report states.

“The share of recipients aged 60 and older also increased for both genders, with a larger rise among females.”

Between 2007 and 2019, the share of recipients on JobSeeker for one year or more rose from 48 to 71 per cent for women and from 51 to 63 per cent for men.

One-third of women on JobSeeker and 29 per cent of men aged 55 and above had been on the payment for five or more years in June 2019.

The report expects this will increase government spending on welfare, irrespective of short-term fluctuations in unemployment, because of the gradual increase in the pension age to 67 years.

It also noted that there were “many more older women” on JobSeeker than are counted as unemployed.

This is understood to be a result of less stringent requirements on people over 54, compared with young people, to apply for jobs to receive the dole.

Australian Greens Senator Rachel Siewert said: “We are looking at a crisis of older women retiring into poverty.”

The Parliamentary Budget Office expects an increase in JobSeeker expenditure will be partially offset by savings from the eligibility changes of other income support payments.


Well - that's what happens when you demand 'equality' by your standards... for every such woman there will be a man in the same situation, and the need is to focus on why this is the case for all... forty years of affirmative action not enough to make a difference other than to impoverish others?
It's all well and good to apply for jobs - but when the jobs simply don't exist due to bad management of the nation for the same forty years.....

They could all pick fruit according to some...... maybe we need a Moskva solution, with the babushkas sweeping the snow off the streets for their state pension or an Asian solution wherein the old women walk daily for miles collecting firewood for the family home ....   Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #35 - Oct 5th, 2020 at 11:40am
 
Another great article on the Aged Care situation in this country, a situation laid firmly at the feet of the Neo Liberal purveyors of all things "con".

"Think about this: despite a rocketing budget deficit, Scott Morrison is planning to press on with, and even bring forward, highly expensive tax cuts for high income-earners at just the time we’re realising that the 40-year pursuit of Smaller Government has been a disastrous failure.

Wake-up No. 1: the tragic consequences of the decision to outsource hotel quarantine in Victoria have confirmed what academic economists have long told us, and many of us have experienced. Contracting out the provision of public services to private operators cuts costs at the expense of quality.

Wake-up No. 2: efforts to keep the lid on the growing cost of aged care have given us appalling treatment of the old plus high profits to for-profit providers and some not-for-profits seeking to cross-subsidise other activities.
The growing cost of aged care has led to some appalling outcomes for the elderly.

The growing cost of aged care has led to some appalling outcomes for the elderly.Credit:

A new report by Dr Stephen Duckett and Professor Hal Swerissen, of the Grattan Institute, summarises the aged care system’s “litany of failures”, as revealed by the royal commission, as “unpalatable food, poor care, neglect, abuse and, most recently, the tragedies of the pandemic”.

There was a time when aged care was provided by governments, particularly in Victoria and Western Australia. But as the population has aged, successive federal governments have sought to limit the role of government by having aged care provided first by religious and charitable organisations and then by for-profit businesses.

The report’s authors note how little we spend on aged care. Countries with well-functioning aged care – such as the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Japan – spend between 3 and 5 per cent of gross domestic product, whereas we spend 1.2 per cent.

“Rather than ensuring an appropriately regulated market, the government’s primary focus has been to constrain costs,” they say. When old people are assessed for at-home care or for residential care, the emphasis is less on their needs than on their eligibility for less-costly or more-costly support.

Partly because of the failure to set out clear standards for the quality of the care the community should be providing to our elderly – presumably, because keeping it vague helps limit costs – the system has become “provider-centric”.

Over the past two decades, the provision of aged care has increasingly been regarded by government as a market. “Residential facilities got bigger, and for-profit providers flooded into the system. Regulation did not keep pace with the changed market conditions,” the authors say.
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But, though you’d better believe the profit motive of for-profit providers is super real, anyone who’s done even high-school economics could tell that the aged-care “market” offers nothing like the countervailing forces that textbooks describe.

The royal commission’s interim report found “it is a myth that aged care is an effective consumer-driven market”. A myth instigated and perpetuated by the Smaller Government brigade.

Duckett and Swerissen say that, “in practice, providers have much more information, control and influence than consumers. In residential care, a veil of secrecy makes it very difficult for consumers to make judgments about key quality variables such as staffing levels.”

    So great is the public’s aversion to aged care that the government has had to offer a range of at-home assistance packages.

Rather than turning aged care into a well-functioning market, “the so-called reforms resulted in for-profit providers increasingly dominating the system. The number of for-profit providers has nearly tripled in the past four years, from 13 per cent in 2016 to 36 per cent in 2019".

Even the Land of the Free has instituted a five-star system for ranking residential institutions to better inform the aged and their families. We haven’t bothered. But research for the royal commission shows that a majority of providers have staffing levels below three stars. And, the authors add, it doesn’t necessarily follow that the more you pay, the higher the quality.

Residential aged care can be so offputting that it’s gone from being a lifestyle choice to a last resort. So great is the public’s aversion to aged care that the government has had to offer a range of at-home assistance packages.

But, consistent with the half-arsed pursuit of Smaller Government, the government has allowed a waiting list of about 100,000 people to build up. And, since the packages are delivered by private providers, amazing proportions of the cost can be eaten up by “administrative costs”.

Duckett and Swerissen say that, while (much) more money is needed, this won’t be enough to fix the problem without not only better regulation but fundamental change in principles, governance and incentives. Access to extra funding should be tightly scrutinised so the money goes to upgrade staffing and not to greater profits for wealthy owners of provider businesses."


Article by Ross Gittins, in The Age

When will we stop voting for people who perpetuate the "Smaller Government" fraud?
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