Jest wrote on Sep 16
th, 2020 at 8:21pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 16
th, 2020 at 6:44pm:
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The so called private enterprise "Think Tanks"/"Institutes" (for which you should really substitute the words "Propaganda Cells") spend a mottza putting stats and graphs like this together for dissemination all over the web. And its very much like the stats and graphs you get from the Feminist Movement and Race Activist Movements. They selectively choose the factors which they say make out their case so that, for example, within a few days of the Covid epidemic surfacing they tell us that Covid disproportionately hurts women/black people/Trans people. The other day I even saw an all female science study claim that micro plastics in the Oceans disproportionately hurts women. Truth is self serving interest groups like the IPA make this sh*t up.
And most importantly note that the caption states "Capitalism has contributed to rising living standards and fall in absolute poverty..." Of course you got to ask; What does "contributed" mean and more importantly again, which economic system was the other "contributor" in all this.China and India accounts for over half the worlds population & their socialist & mixed socialist economies are the major reason for bring their peoples out of poverty. Just imagine the level of poverty that we would have in China and India today if after WW2 China and India were neoliberal capitalist countries. The misery would be unfathomable to us
It is the wrong end of the stick you are hanging onto there, pal, rather desperately. You are completely wrong. There was famine and misery in both China and India - and everywhere else - while they were pursuing 'scientific socialist' and Marxist policies in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. Only when they turned away from 'scientific socialism' did they start turning things around. Socialism is a guaranteed failure, economically and culturally and socially.
Socialism is Orwellian Newspeak for 'we are completely fcvked, how do we get out of this godawful mess '. every evidence from history supports that assessment.
Show us successful socialism by way of disproving my point.
Your entirely wrong and your cold war propaganda wont make you right. The Chinese have endured famine for their whole history including their pre WW2 capitalist history exacerbated by the fact that their population is huge. Even in small countries like Ireland under British rule (Britain being the most developed capitalist country of the day) saw over a million people die from starvation during the potato blight.
And this is what Wikipedia says about india "Famine had been a recurrent feature of life the Indian sub-continental countries of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh,
most notoriously during British rule. Famines in India resulted in more than 60 million deaths over the course of the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries.
Famines in British India were severe enough to have a substantial impact on the long-term population growth of the country in the 19th and early 20th centuries." . And in America I see there are claims that 7 million people died of starvation during the Great Depression and one of your so called "Think Tanks" say "No, no it wasn't starvation but malnutrition". Really? Im sure they don't make that distinction when they give us their China numbers.
I have no doubt that mistakes and bad judgments were made along the way in Britain, China (eg the Great Leap forward, though that was not the only reason but the propaganda machine pretends it was), India and the rest of the Capitalist/Socialist world. Is it the fault of the respective systems. Well you'll get a different answer depending on which ideology they're pushing. The other thing you have to remember is that China didnt start developing until after WW2 when socialism developed the country and underdeveloped countries are a lot more vulnerable to famine esp when they have huge populations like China and India).
China is where China is (overtaking America in prosperity) because of socialism. Thats because a planned economy works much better than a haphazard, shot in the dark market economy riddled by continuous boom and bust cycles. Of course once the Country started getting rich those in the party decided that an easing of socialist principles (Communism with Chinese characteristics) was a good thing because it made Party officials Rich. But most of china's infrastructure and facilities are still Govt owned and run. India, like Australia, went through a process of private enterprise plundering the richest and best Public Assets in the 90s but there's no denying (though you will deny it) that it was the public sector that put the Australian and Indian economies on their feet in the first place (Esp India)
You didnt answer my first post. Just made a few old cold war assertions. But I answered your reply anyway so now you got 2 of my posts (which clearly address your claims) to respond to. Thats OK Ill wait!