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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #285 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 10:25am
 
Could you be any more slippery Gandalf?

What makes you think that more than 50% of farmers are not obeying the fair work laws?
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #286 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 10:33am
 
because I believe such an audit would be a fair representation.

The same reason we accept polls of a few thousand is representative of the entire country - and invariably proves to be so.

For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you? I mean that is after all key to the actual topic here.
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Reply #287 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 10:36am
 
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because I believe such an audit would be a fair representation.


Why would you 'believe' that Gandalf? Is this like a religion for you?
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Reply #288 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 11:13am
 
Thought not.
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Reply #289 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 12:12pm
 
You've gone quiet FD.

Just in case there was confusion about my last post - this was what my "thought not" was referring to:

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For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you?
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Reply #290 - Oct 15th, 2020 at 7:39am
 
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The exploitation in Australian agriculture exists by design. Politicians have created a system to supply farm owners with a steady stream of hard-working human beings with families to sustain, whilst simultaneously blaming jobless Australians for shunning jobs that simply aren’t available to them.

Politicians have crafted distortions to your domestic labour market that benefit neither Australian workers nor we as migrants.

The pandemic has laid bare the intention of the government’s labour market strategy. Migrants are temporarily unable to fill the gaping holes in agriculture’s supply chain, so farm owners go on television to spruik hypothetical pay rates that everyone knows are fanciful.

Rather than addressing conditions in the industry, politicians blame jobless Australians for valuing their lives and labour too highly.


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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #291 - Oct 15th, 2020 at 7:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14th, 2020 at 12:12pm:
You've gone quiet FD.

Just in case there was confusion about my last post - this was what my "thought not" was referring to:

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For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you?


You are the one harping on about over 50% of farmers breaking the fair work laws. Why is it "nitpicking" to try to establish whether you are telling the truth? If you are trying to backpedal, it would be easier to just admit you were wrong.

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because I believe such an audit would be a fair representation.


Why would you 'believe' that Gandalf? Is this like a religion for you?
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #292 - Oct 19th, 2020 at 10:53am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2020 at 7:19pm:
Why is it "nitpicking" to try to establish whether you are telling the truth?


Because it is such an obvious tactic to deflect away from the actual point of the citation - that it refutes your BS that "farmers are obeying the law".

And here's the proof: notice how you once again avoided answering my question - 3rd time I think:

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For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you?


The more you deflect from this point which is the most relevant to your entire argument, the more you are making it obvious that you concede that you are wrong.
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Reply #293 - Oct 19th, 2020 at 5:10pm
 
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Because it is such an obvious tactic to deflect away from the actual point of the citation - that it refutes your BS that "farmers are obeying the law".


So it's OK for you to lie about the majority of farmers breaking the law because you disagree with some more important point, which is apparently whether they are breaking the law?

When you accuse me of nitpicking, is this your way of saying I am right?
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #294 - Oct 19th, 2020 at 7:17pm
 
FD, you certainly you take foolishness to a whole new level
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Reply #295 - Oct 20th, 2020 at 8:37am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2020 at 5:10pm:
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Because it is such an obvious tactic to deflect away from the actual point of the citation - that it refutes your BS that "farmers are obeying the law".


So it's OK for you to lie about the majority of farmers breaking the law because you disagree with some more important point, which is apparently whether they are breaking the law?

When you accuse me of nitpicking, is this your way of saying I am right?


I am not lying, a sample is a sample, and I have no reason to believe it is not representative. No idea why you choose to quibble over this basic point - probably some lame attempt to deflect from the fact that you originally didn't understand what this audit was about, and thought that it included everyone including submarine manufacturers.

And oh look, you once again deflected away from the actual point of the citation:

For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you?

Do you think the audit provides the unions with a good justification in getting involved that is something other than mindlessly wanting to destroy non-union industries?

Feel free to deflect from that one too. I mean, its only the core question of this entire thread - nothing important or anything.
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #296 - Oct 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20th, 2020 at 8:37am:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2020 at 5:10pm:
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Because it is such an obvious tactic to deflect away from the actual point of the citation - that it refutes your BS that "farmers are obeying the law".


So it's OK for you to lie about the majority of farmers breaking the law because you disagree with some more important point, which is apparently whether they are breaking the law?

When you accuse me of nitpicking, is this your way of saying I am right?


I am not lying, a sample is a sample, and I have no reason to believe it is not representative.


Would you generalise this to say that a Muslim is not lying when he makes up crap, so long long as he cannot think of the reason why the crap he makes up is wrong?
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #297 - Oct 21st, 2020 at 10:06am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:
Would you generalise this to say that a Muslim is not lying when he makes up crap, so long long as he cannot think of the reason why the crap he makes up is wrong?


How pathetic. While you are grasping for some sort of coherent granstand about "making up crap" (and failing miserably), we are meanwhile literally talking about the crap you made up as it pertains *DIRECTLY* to the topic at hand.

Namely, the lie that "farmers are obeying the law"

A lie that you don't even bother to dispute is a lie, instead engaging in this pathetic deflection routine.

Shall I try a fourth time?

For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you?
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #298 - Oct 21st, 2020 at 10:44am
 
Of COURSE the farmers are obeying the law - they are paying the parasites who provide the labour the proper agreed amount per body, and it is the parasites that need a good going over with - lessee now - was watching "Loving Pablo" last night and Escobar's men killed two guys with chainsaws.... it could work!

Where are governments in all this - doing the right thing?  Too busy swinging deals over Badgerys Creek? Wherever there are billions of taxpayer dollars heading their way towards some agreed government initiative - the bastards gather like blow flies on fresh cow sh1t.
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #299 - Oct 21st, 2020 at 3:35pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2020 at 10:06am:
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:
Would you generalise this to say that a Muslim is not lying when he makes up crap, so long long as he cannot think of the reason why the crap he makes up is wrong?


How pathetic. While you are grasping for some sort of coherent granstand about "making up crap" (and failing miserably), we are meanwhile literally talking about the crap you made up as it pertains *DIRECTLY* to the topic at hand.

Namely, the lie that "farmers are obeying the law"

A lie that you don't even bother to dispute is a lie, instead engaging in this pathetic deflection routine.

Shall I try a fourth time?

For all your inane nitpicking, you can't actually dispute that this audit demonstrates that non-compliance by farmers is widespread - can you?


Gandalf, I think I understand your logic, but just to make sure, would you mind demonstrating by example? If I said:

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Aussie Muslims obey our Anti-Money Laundering and Counter-Terrorism Financing laws


would you also consider that to be a lie?

Also, when you say you are not lying because you "have no reason to believe" that you are lying, how does this differ from making up crap and then using your own ignorance as justification for telling lies?
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