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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #195 - Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet whether or not a business is rorting workers? Depends on how many complain? They may have known what they signed up for etc as you say - but all that means is that they didn't know the RULES which stipulate you cannot sign away your wage and condition rights, and thus that they should not have signed on that particular dotted line.

So - if only a few complain - does that make it any less an issue for proper resolution? How many simply shrug it off and head back to the backpacker life of partying and girls etc? How many are too afraid to speak out and maybe just drop out and leave rather than have the trouble? How many just don't give a rat's because they are going home soon anyway, and won't be here for the resolution?

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #196 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:04am

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:55am:

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 10:16pm:

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Backpackers warn of horticulture industry 'underbelly' of dodgy labour hire providers and illegal wages

Thanks Gnads. Do you think the backpackers want the unions to kill the industry and the way of life in order to protect them from their own choices?

Do you want dodgy Labour Hire companies & farmers to continue to exploit workers - whether they are backpackers or not?

I'd say you do...... & that speaks volumes about you.

Are you accusing me of not wanting to destroy Australia's fruit growing industry and the way of life that backpackers enjoy?

Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

It speaks volumes about you ..... you reprobate.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #197 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:18am

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2020 at 10:39am:

I spent a summer picking watermelons once. It was hard work, and I'm pretty sure I got paid below minimum wage.

I picked peas one year, and made $18 for the day. But, the Italian woman working next to me made $200 for the day. I guess I just don't like hard work.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #199 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet

That's always been the matter. Unionists delude themselves into thinking they can leave it to the unions to organise a raise rather than persuing their own best interest.

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Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

You are lying Gnads.

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Reply #200 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:17am

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet

That's always been the matter. Unionists delude themselves into thinking they can leave it to the unions to organise a raise rather than persuing their own best interest.

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Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

You are lying Gnads.

I'm not lying ............. you elitist hypocrite

You continue to bag worker unionism yet support business & employers that belong to Unions

Not everyone has the where with all to negotiate their own wages & conditions

whilst employers have the support of/use HR lawyers supplied by their Unions in drawing up contracts of employment.

Your double standards attitude is another reason why Trade Unions exist.

You support the exploitation of workers & wage theft.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #201 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 5:58pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet

That's always been the matter. Unionists delude themselves into thinking they can leave it to the unions to organise a raise rather than persuing their own best interest.

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Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

You are lying Gnads.

I'm not lying ............. you elitist hypocrite

You continue to bag worker unionism yet support business & employers that belong to Unions

Not everyone has the where with all to negotiate their own wages & conditions

whilst employers have the support of/use HR lawyers supplied by their Unions in drawing up contracts of employment.

Your double standards attitude is another reason why Trade Unions exist.

You support the exploitation of workers & wage theft.

Well said

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #202 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 10:44pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet

That's always been the matter. Unionists delude themselves into thinking they can leave it to the unions to organise a raise rather than persuing their own best interest.

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Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

You are lying Gnads.

I'm not lying ............. you elitist hypocrite

Yes you are. You lied about what I want.

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You continue to bag worker unionism yet support business & employers that belong to Unions

I neither support nor oppose them. I have not seen any evidence they rely on collective self delusion the way employee unions do. Obviously when union self delusion gets to the extreme case where they want to destroy the fruit picking industry I will speak in their defence. It is ironic that you only see me defending the farmers, but cannot accept the reality that I am also supporting the employees.

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Not everyone has the where with all to negotiate their own wages & conditions

Who do you know who is too stupid to know how to ask for more money?

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #203 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 11:43pm

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

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The vast majority do not complain.

Most crimes that are committed the police will put someone in prison irrespective of if anyone complains. This is just another type of crime.

There is no clause that it is ok if nobody complains.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #204 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 11:53pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 10:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet

That's always been the matter. Unionists delude themselves into thinking they can leave it to the unions to organise a raise rather than persuing their own best interest.

Quote:

Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

You are lying Gnads.

I'm not lying ............. you elitist hypocrite

Yes you are. You lied about what I want.

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You continue to bag worker unionism yet support business & employers that belong to Unions

I neither support nor oppose them. I have not seen any evidence they rely on collective self delusion the way employee unions do. Obviously when union self delusion gets to the extreme case where they want to destroy the fruit picking industry I will speak in their defence. It is ironic that you only see me defending the farmers, but cannot accept the reality that I am also supporting the employees.

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Not everyone has the where with all to negotiate their own wages & conditions

Who do you know who is too stupid to know how to ask for more money?

Most employers understand that when you sack the first few who ask nobody else will.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #205 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 8:48am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 11:43pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

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The vast majority do not complain.

Most crimes that are committed the police will put someone in prison irrespective of if anyone complains. This is just another type of crime.

There is no clause that it is ok if nobody complains.

You are missing the point again. There is also no clause that says a complaint means a crime has been committed.

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Most employers understand that when you sack the first few who ask nobody else will.

They will just leave instead of asking. If you employees are gone, your business is gone.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #206 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 9:22am

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 10:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

No, freed - like the 14 year old boy shagged by his teacher - it was HE who made the complaint.. same-same - it is the backpackers who are making the complaints, and it is the non-Union industries filled with thieves that are trying to kill the Unions.

If the 'backpacker lifestyle' is so good - why are they complaining about the conditions and the pay? For example - their pay scale should include an accommodation allowance - not be deducted for accommodation. How now, my fine feathered fish-hunter?

The vast majority do not complain. They know what they signed up for and signed up willingly.

This is typical of the level of delusion among unionists - take a few inevitable complaints and delude yourself into thinking that all the workers in the industry will cheer you on when you take their jobs away from them. It's how unions justify their continued existence.

Ah - so now it's a matter of voting with your feet

That's always been the matter. Unionists delude themselves into thinking they can leave it to the unions to organise a raise rather than persuing their own best interest.

Quote:

Don't come that bullshyte .... you want employers & labour hire firms to be allowed to openly exploit workers ... no matter what their category or lifestyle.

You are lying Gnads.

I'm not lying ............. you elitist hypocrite

Yes you are. You lied about what I want.

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You continue to bag worker unionism yet support business & employers that belong to Unions

I neither support nor oppose them. I have not seen any evidence they rely on collective self delusion the way employee unions do. Obviously when union self delusion gets to the extreme case where they want to destroy the fruit picking industry I will speak in their defence. It is ironic that you only see me defending the farmers, but cannot accept the reality that I am also supporting the employees.

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Not everyone has the where with all to negotiate their own wages & conditions

Who do you know who is too stupid to know how to ask for more money?

Typical diffusion & lies.

Why do employer associations unions exist?
That's all the evidence you need.

No Union wants to destroy any industry let alone the fruit industry. You claiming they do is a lie.

All you do is defend wage theft & exploitation.

You do not defend workers in any shape or form.

Workers ask for more money or better conditions & they risk the sack ... worse in non union businesses.

If employers were so honorable then Trade Unions wouldn't exist .......

what do you find so hard to comprehend in that?

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Reply #208 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 9:35am

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2020 at 9:27am:

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Why do employer associations unions exist?
That's all the evidence you need.

That's not evidence. It's a pointless and irrelevant question. If employer unions behaved the way employee unions did, they would be put in jail.

Rubbish ..... they do & worse

& soon wage theft & exploitation will be offenses that can carry jail time.

If an employee steals they are charged & can go to jail.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #209 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 9:45am

Can you give an example of an employee union cooperating to reduce wages the way that employee unions cooperate to increase them?

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:17am:

Not everyone has the where with all to negotiate their own wages & conditions

Gnads whose pamphlet did did you read this in? Would you say it is typical of the unions views on the intelligence of their members?

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