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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72269 Gender:	Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries Reply #105 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 8:08pm won't or can't? There is a difference.
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #106 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 8:30pm

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/about-us/legislation/the-fair-work-system/australias...

https://www.australianunions.org.au/union_achievements

Are you studying again, FD? Are you Auggie in disguise?

You know full well that without group bargaining - i.e. Unions - these changes would not have come about. Why would bossy jump in and say:- "I'm going to guarantee you pay rates and conditions of work, and these will steadily improve!" unless forced to the negotiating table?

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #107 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 8:30pm:

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/about-us/legislation/the-fair-work-system/australias...

https://www.australianunions.org.au/union_achievements

Are you studying again, FD? Are you Auggie in disguise?

You know full well that without group bargaining - i.e. Unions - these changes would not have come about. Why would bossy jump in and say:- "I'm going to guarantee you pay rates and conditions of work, and these will steadily improve!" unless forced to the negotiating table?

This is the warped view of reality pushed by the unions and swallowed by the gullible. There are plenty of reasons. The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #108 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 1:14pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Australia has not been unionised.

Australia has lots of unions, even if membership is in decline ...

Now name one country with no unions where workers have the same or better work conditions?

Er... France. Union membership - under 8%.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #109 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 1:20pm

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 8:30pm:

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/about-us/legislation/the-fair-work-system/australias...

https://www.australianunions.org.au/union_achievements

Are you studying again, FD? Are you Auggie in disguise?

You know full well that without group bargaining - i.e. Unions - these changes would not have come about. Why would bossy jump in and say:- "I'm going to guarantee you pay rates and conditions of work, and these will steadily improve!" unless forced to the negotiating table?

This is the warped view of reality pushed by the unions and swallowed by the gullible. There are plenty of reasons. The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for.

Never heard of that one! Every pay rise comes after a formal hearing with presentation of all sides to the discussion, and is never as high as the Unions seek - you can negotiate down but you can't negotiate higher, so you start at a higher level and 'meet in the middle'.

'Salaries'? You mean politicians, public servants, bankers and such? What about Joe and Jo Toyler down there in wages land?

You are falling into that category of the Marxist/Leninists I mention often - assuming that 'The People' (those relevant to the discussion) are YOUR kind on salaries and perks etc, and not the 'common herd', who are but cattle in the fields and to be disposed and disposed of at the whim of the State.

Salary rises for the ordinary working salaryman come on the back of the national wage case - unless you are in an 'old boy' job where you and your mates make your own salaries up as you go along, you don't get anything extra....

SHOW ME!

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47466 At my desk.	Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries Reply #110 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 5:58pm Quote: Never heard of that one! Doesn't surprise me. Being ignorant of economics seems to be a universal theme among those who parrot union propaganda.
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #111 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:03pm

Frank wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 1:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Australia has not been unionised.

Australia has lots of unions, even if membership is in decline ...

Now name one country with no unions where workers have the same or better work conditions?

Er... France. Union membership - under 8%.

What part of the question do you not understand?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72269 Gender:	Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries Reply #112 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:04pm freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm: The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for. This is the warped view of reality pushed by employer groups and swallowed by the gullible
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #113 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:05pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for.

This is the warped view of reality pushed by employer groups and swallowed by the gullible

And every economist.

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #114 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:15pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for.

This is the warped view of reality pushed by employer groups and swallowed by the gullible

And every economist.

you really need to stop lying ..

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #115 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:18pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:15pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for.

This is the warped view of reality pushed by employer groups and swallowed by the gullible

And every economist.

you really need to stop lying ..

You do you have anything to say on the issue, beyond parroting empty headed union propaganda?

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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #116 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:19pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:15pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

The strongest would be market forces - the same forces that have given most Australian workers higher salaries than what the unions bargain for.

This is the warped view of reality pushed by employer groups and swallowed by the gullible

And every economist.

you really need to stop lying ..

You do you have anything to say on the issue, beyond parroting empty headed union propaganda?

I'm still waiting for you to name that one non unionised country where it's employees enjoy the same benefits we enjoy .... any day now!

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47466 At my desk.	Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries Reply #117 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:49pm So that's a no?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72269 Gender:	Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries Reply #118 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:54pm freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:49pm: So that's a no? run away FD
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Re: Unions want to kill non-Union industries
Reply #119 - Aug 27^th, 2020 at 7:23pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 1:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Australia has not been unionised.

Australia has lots of unions, even if membership is in decline ...

Now name one country with no unions where workers have the same or better work conditions?

Er... France. Union membership - under 8%.

What part of the question do you not understand?

The idiotic part: "name one country with no trade unions".

Go on, Gino, name one.

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