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Aug 3rd, 2020 at 1:05pm
 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/education/nsw-teachers-demand-more-backup-as-s...

Students are increasingly being booted out of class with new figures showing public school suspensions have soared in the past four years.

Physical violence or aggressive behaviour were the two biggest reasons a student was suspended from a school, with others thrown out for engaging in criminal behaviour, possessing an illegal substance or prohibited weapon, or serious misbehaviour.

While schools in the far west of the state experienced a decline in suspensions, every other region from more privileged districts to lower socio-economic areas recorded increases over the period, according to NSW Department of Education figures.

The regional breakdown was released to state parliament in response to questions from Greens MLC David Shoebridge, who has accused schools of choosing the “easy” way out when dealing with troubled students.

It also comes amid a department review into school discipline, with the NSW Teachers Federation demanding it include a greater emphasis on early intervention with students displaying behavioural issues.

Schools in Sydney’s southwest topped the city list with 11,392 suspensions while the Hunter-New England region led the bush with 15,185.

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In Northern Sydney there were 1798 suspensions, 408 more than four years ago while southeastern Sydney recorded 2672, rising by 421.

Over in the far west of the state the number of suspension dropped by 61 to 579 last year.

In total, there were 74,458 suspensions issued last year, representing an almost 9000 increase in the four-year period.

Students who displayed aggressive behaviour or continued to be disobedient were given “short” suspensions of up to four days, while other categories such as criminal behaviour at school attracted a longer absence of up 20 days.

Aggressive behaviour resulted in almost 35,000 suspensions last year, an increase of more than 7000 over the four years.

Continued disobedience was the next biggest reason for students to be suspended, although the number issued dropped last year.

Among the long suspensions, the category with the biggest jump was “physical violence”, with 8812 recorded last year — up by 1429 over the four years.

The next biggest jump in suspensions was for “persistent or serious misbehaviour” with 8069 ordered last year, up by 512.

There were 1277 suspensions issued to students who engaged in criminal behaviour in relation to the school, while possessing or using an illegal substance led to 1085 orders.

Students are still bringing guns, knives or prohibited weapons to school with 770 suspensions ordered, up by 67, with another 272 suspensions in relation to an implement being used as a weapon.
Mr Shoebridge said the sheer volume of suspensions was concerning.


“There is a real concern that some schools are using suspensions as the easy way out when there are real underlying educational issues that need to be addressed,” he said.

“In the long run, misusing suspensions doesn’t help either teachers or kids.”

The teachers union has called for additional funding and specialist teacher support for students with additional needs, given children with disabilities accounted for a large number of suspensions.


I wonder what penalties the parents are paying?????...after all their responsibility lasts until they are 18..
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Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:22pm
 
Parents can get arrested for smacking their toddlers! No wonder the schoolkids try to get away with whatever they can. They think they can do what they like and not get punished for it.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  Wink
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Reply #2 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:26pm
 
Neferti wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:22pm:
Parents can get arrested for smacking their toddlers! No wonder the schoolkids try to get away with whatever they can. They think they can do what they like and not get punished for it.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  Wink


If you think that hitting kids is the only way to punish them, you have a serious problem.

If you're hitting your kids, you're doing it (parenting) wrong.

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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 3:03pm
 
The theory is 'no smacks' and maybe that has some value.  But if there are many knives and injuries then is the theory always correct?  Is a knife stab OK but smack is not?

NSW . A parent knowingly authorise or permit his or her child (i.e. under 18 years of age) to possess a knife in a public place or school without reasonable excuse. The maximum penalty is $550.
WA. Mother hit child with wood spoon.$750.
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 3:12pm
 
Neferti wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:22pm:
Parents can get arrested for smacking their toddlers! No wonder the schoolkids try to get away with whatever they can. They think they can do what they like and not get punished for it.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  Wink


When I give my 3 year old a paddywhack he kaks himself laughing and wants to wrassle. When I tell him to go to the naughty corner for a timeout he cries.
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 3:36pm
 
My bet is that the majority of armed kids is Moslem and Chinese. They don't respect the Australian Educational System. It laughs at the discipline. Wonder what a Moslem kid thinks of getting cained by a Western Teacher? Oh yeah - the cain was removed by the Board when the Mozzie kids turned up in numbers.

So much for Sydney being a hard Penal Colony settlement. Grin
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:10pm
 
We did bayonet practice when aged 14 and told to imagine we were shoving it into an Indonesian boy. This was a  church school and Mussies need it , god knows.
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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:18pm
 
Did no good Chims. They rule the schoolyards now. White kids are a defeated minority now. Sitting and eating their lunch with the Abo kid (Coon slice wraps in the lunch box). Staying away from the more numerous Moslems and Chinese kids and Indian and others. White kids learn to cop a beating now.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:22pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:26pm:
Neferti wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:22pm:
Parents can get arrested for smacking their toddlers! No wonder the schoolkids try to get away with whatever they can. They think they can do what they like and not get punished for it.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  Wink


If you think that hitting kids is the only way to punish them, you have a serious problem.

If you're hitting your kids, you're doing it (parenting) wrong.


hitting is not the same as a smack..

since taking control away from parents and teachers   thsi is what we are getting..

are you satisfied with his result..?  or are you only here to attack a member.
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Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:23pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:26pm:
Neferti wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:22pm:
Parents can get arrested for smacking their toddlers! No wonder the schoolkids try to get away with whatever they can. They think they can do what they like and not get punished for it.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  Wink


If you think that hitting kids is the only way to punish them, you have a serious problem.

If you're hitting your kids, you're doing it (parenting) wrong.


hitting is not the same as a smack..

since taking control away from parents and teachers   thsi is what we are getting..

are you satisfied with his result..?  or are you only here to attack a member.


A smack is a hit, and control has not been taken away from parents.

Smacking isn't the only way to control a child.

If someone thinks it is, they've failed as a parent.
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Reply #10 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:23pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:10pm:
We did bayonet practice when aged 14 and told to imagine we were shoving it into an Indonesian boy. This was a  church school and Mussies need it , god knows.



you didnt tell us if your turned out alright

for all we know you could be a serial crim.
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:25pm
 
A physical wrong doing deserves a physical punishment.
Mental wrong doings deserve the 'good word' spoken to.
There is a difference between punishment of discipline and 'abuse'. If a society can't tell the difference, then it is not operating effectively. Look at the lack of 'discipline' in the USA.
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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:26pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:25pm:
A physical wrong doing deserves a physical punishment.


Jesus Christ   Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:23pm:
cods wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:26pm:
Neferti wrote on Aug 3rd, 2020 at 2:22pm:
Parents can get arrested for smacking their toddlers! No wonder the schoolkids try to get away with whatever they can. They think they can do what they like and not get punished for it.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  Wink


If you think that hitting kids is the only way to punish them, you have a serious problem.

If you're hitting your kids, you're doing it (parenting) wrong.


hitting is not the same as a smack..

since taking control away from parents and teachers   thsi is what we are getting..

are you satisfied with his result..?  or are you only here to attack a member.


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and control has not been taken away from parents.

Smacking isn't the only way to control a child.

If you think it is, you've failed as a parent.


so why dont you tell us all about your parenting skills...

dont tell me you would lock them in their room?.hahaha...what about taking their smart phone away from them.....hahahahah   

tell us how would you deal with these kids in the op...

because obviously the teachers are failing as well.
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2020 at 4:29pm
 
look at the figures they are getting worse..


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In total, there were 74,458 suspensions issued last year, representing an almost 9000 increase in the four-year period.



come on greg they need your parenting skills NOW
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