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Increasing JobSeeker payments is ‘sustainable’, new study reveals
July 3 2020 New Daily
New modelling from the Bankwest Curtin Economics Centre shows increasing JobSeeker payments by $100-a-week would be easily affordable.

Increased payments would also flow back into the economy, stimulating business and creating much-needed jobs to soak up rapidly growing unemployment.

Alan Duncan, director of the Bankwest Curtin Economics Centre (BCEC) told The New Daily a $200-a-fortnight increase to the base JobSeeker rate – currently $565.70 a fortnight – will cost government $3.77 billion over six months.

Over a full year, taxpayers would spend approximately $7.75 billion more.

On the surface that sounds like a lot of money, but Mr Duncan noted it represents only a 4 per cent increase on budgeted social security and welfare expenditures for the 2020-21 financial year.

What’s more, that money is not “going into a black hole,” he said.


New modelling shows government can afford a $100 a week JobSeeker boost.
“In the context of committed spending in other areas of welfare support these sorts of figures are sustainable, and of course you get a return,” he said.

“One should not think of an increase to JobSeeker as putting money down a hole – it’s not.

“It cycles around and alleviates pressure in other areas of support services that might be burdened now by the number of people in difficult financial circumstances.”

Buying out of a longer recession
Grattan Institute household finances program director Brendan Coates agreed the additional spending would be affordable in the near term.

In the longer term, Mr Coates said, putting more money in the hands of unemployed Australians will even help reduce the overall unemployment rate.

That’s because the money is immediately pumped back into the economy to pay for essentials, rather than being hoarded in savings accounts.

“At a period when aggregate demand is very weak and the economy is running well below its potential capacity because households and businesses aren’t spending, it will have the effect of stimulating the economy and boosting GDP,” he said.

As a rough rule of thumb, Mr Coates said every 1 per cent increase in GDP above expectation will bring unemployment down 0.4 per cent.

The official unemployment rate hit 7.1 per cent in May, but this data only reflects out-of-work Australians still looking for jobs.


Unemployment has skyrocketed.
Generous but temporary support programs (including a supplement for JobSeeker recipients which effectively doubles their fortnightly payments) are believed to have distorted those figures.

More recent data from Roy Morgan suggests the real rate of unemployment is closer to double the ABS data – with 14.5 per cent of the workforce now unemployed.

“JobSeeker is going to cost government a lot more than it normally would have even if we don’t raise the rate because unemployment’s gone through the roof,” Mr Coates said.

The coronavirus supplement only inflates that cost further, but Mr Coates said this is partly offset by the extra tax receipts government will earn through heightened consumer spending.

“This isn’t self-funding stimulus, the deficit will be larger,” he said.

“But in the long run it doesn’t mean substantially higher debt or unsustainable debt because the interest rate is very low.

“And as former IFM chief executive Olivier Blanchard said, you shouldn’t worry about debt sustainability provided interest rates are below the rate of growth in the economy.”

That’s because if interest rates are less than the economy’s growth rate, debt falls as a share of GDP over time.
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Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2020 at 2:39pm
 
Keep putting the Union and GetUp! propaganda out there and you never know. Socialists don't care who pays for it.
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Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2020 at 3:42pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
Increasing JobSeeker payments is ‘sustainable’, new study reveals


Why should taxpayers give dole bludgers more sit down money?

The dole was never meant to be a lifestyle choice if you want more money get a job the minimum wage is nearly $20 hour

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Unemployment has skyrocketed.   Sad
Generous but temporary support programs (including a supplement for JobSeeker recipients which effectively doubles their fortnightly payments) are believed to have distorted those figures. 

More recent data from Roy Morgan suggests the real rate of unemployment is closer to double the ABS data – with 14.5 per cent of the workforce now unemployed. 
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Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2020 at 8:05pm
 
Don't tell a Socialist they don't deserve to get endless handouts.
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Reply #5 - Jul 5th, 2020 at 9:16pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 2:39pm:
Keep putting the Union and GetUp! propaganda out there and you never know. Socialists don't care who pays for it.


Pathetic partisan rhetoric Juliar, is that all your good for?

Calls for an increase in Jobseeker payment to be sustained above Newstart levels has broad support.

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John Howard        OM, AC, former PM, 2018“I was in favour of freezing [Newstart] but I think the freeze has probably gone on too long.”

Jennifer Westacott       Business Council of Australia, 2017“We need a robust and targeted welfaresafety net that ensures displaced workersdon’t fall into poverty while finding their feet.This could include increasing the inadequateNewstart allowance.”

Dr Ken Henry       National Australia Bank, 2018“There remain real questions about the adequacy of the unemployment benefit.”

Chris Richardson       Deloitte Access Economics, 2018“What Australia has failed to do with unemployment benefits for virtually a quarter of a century now is verging on a national embarrassment.”

Heather Ridout AO       Australian Super, 2018“There are single people out there on their own who don’t get enough support from government and they are living in poverty.”

John Hewson       AM, 2017“Genuine reform must include a willingness to increase the base Newstart and pension benefits to at least an accepted poverty line.”

Liberal MPs Dean Smith and Russell Broadbent are also calling for the unemployment payment to be lifted

Barnaby Joyce says Newstart is so low recipients may need to sell drugs to survive

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe suggests Newstart increase would be 'good for the economy'
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Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2020 at 9:24pm
 
A Japanese Socialist at work "justifying" more handouts ?
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Yes, beside being adept at empty partisan rhetoric, your also good for a bit of Ad hominem when you have no argument.

So would you like to display anymore of your well seasoned intellectual skills or is that currently it?
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Reply #8 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 12:50am
 
Paying those who actually live here and who spend that money back into the economy is better than feeding Offshorites who pay no tax while taking it Offshore, or funding fat cats who hoard it into black holes that pay no tax or use it to fund Offshore investments or to take an Offshore holiday every year.....

Took 'em long enough to work that out.... now how long have I been saying this??

The well paid poor are one driver of the economy and social security is a predictable flow of cash into the economy and thus of return via taxation strands.  'Economists' know that every fortnight Joe Bloggs on SS will put it all back in food, fuel, and a few luxuries.... but that Fat Fred will sink it into investments that pay no tax or into a new pool or into a holiday or purchase Offshore that returns nothing to Oz.

I started down that track in 1983.... someone must have dug up my dissertation on that issue...
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0ktema wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 10:04pm:
Yes, beside being adept at empty partisan rhetoric, your also good for a bit of Ad hominem when you have no argument.

So would you like to display anymore of your well seasoned intellectual skills or is that currently it?


What's ad hominem, you turkey-shucking phagocyte?  Wink  Grin Grin  Grin
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Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 3:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
Increasing JobSeeker payments is ‘sustainable’, new study reveals


Why should taxpayers give dole bludgers more sit down money?

The dole was never meant to be a lifestyle choice if you want more money get a job the minimum wage is nearly $20 hour



EXACTLY,  my taxes were not meant to pay some lazy assholes to sit on their arses all day while I work.

I think we need to toughen the system up.

The dole should only last 12 months and then cut off.

No matter who you are, what race, creed or colour you are.

Especially if you are a refugee.

12 months and then, you are on your own.
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Reply #11 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:28am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:03am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 3:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
Increasing JobSeeker payments is ‘sustainable’, new study reveals


Why should taxpayers give dole bludgers more sit down money?

The dole was never meant to be a lifestyle choice if you want more money get a job the minimum wage is nearly $20 hour



EXACTLY,  my taxes were not meant to pay some lazy assholes to sit on their arses all day while I work.

I think we need to toughen the system up.

The dole should only last 12 months and then cut off.

No matter who you are, what race, creed or colour you are.

Especially if you are a refugee.

12 months and then, you are on your own.


Would you hire a refugee?

Spot
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Reply #12 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 9:09am
 
Socialists (even Japanese!!) are desperately campaigning for MORE HANDOUTS.

But who pays for all this Welfare rorting ?  The Socialists quickly look the other way.

Start big WWII style huge infrastructure projects to create more jobs than we know what to do with. Snowy 2 is already on the go - now where are the others like the modified Bradfield scheme ?

Restart manufacturing here by gutting the unions who sabotage everything here in Australia. No doubt the Chinese are bribing them to do this. The LIMA Declaration is alive and well in Labor and the unions as they rush to send Australian jobs overseas.

Down in Victoria Labor is inviting the Chinese to come in and take over!!!!!  Talk about a breach of National Security!!!!
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Reply #13 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:15pm
 
With government borrowing rates just about as low as they can go, spending big on infrastructure is a no-brainer and one thing I can definitely agree with you on. A perfect time to invest in the development of a hydrogen economy.

If the LNP (backed by the resource sector greed) hadn't stupidly torpedoed carbon trading in 2009 and 2014 we would have had years of market certainty and maturing investments in pumped hydro, solar and gas fired power. 

Power prices would likely have stabilized and then fallen, bringing the cost of power for manufacturing to a competitive level and the development hydrogen economy would have been the icing on the cake.

LNP stupidity in picking favorites has put us in a difficult position as far as energy costs for manufacturing go.

   
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Reply #14 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:16pm
 
This is not Japan. Silly Greeny propaganda is just rubbish.
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juliar wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:16pm:
This is not Japan. Silly Greeny propaganda is just rubbish.


Back to more empty rhetoric.

No matter. It can't be denied that even John Howard the Liberals champion backed an emissions trading scheme.
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Reply #16 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:30pm
 
The Greeny rubbish is just that - a fraud like their Climate Change SCAM.

Greenles have NO plan for Australia other than to reduce it to a pile of rubble.

it is all to do with the UN One world "Govt" in a Sustainable World.

What is the point of feeding Socialists ho do NOT want to earn their keep ? Put the blow torch on them and save taxpayers money.

Kick off the huge WWII style infrastructure projects and reintroduce National Service and sop all the Socialist bludgers up.
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Reply #17 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:32pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:28am:
Valkie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:03am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 3:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
Increasing JobSeeker payments is ‘sustainable’, new study reveals


Why should taxpayers give dole bludgers more sit down money?

The dole was never meant to be a lifestyle choice if you want more money get a job the minimum wage is nearly $20 hour



EXACTLY,  my taxes were not meant to pay some lazy assholes to sit on their arses all day while I work.

I think we need to toughen the system up.

The dole should only last 12 months and then cut off.

No matter who you are, what race, creed or colour you are.

Especially if you are a refugee.

12 months and then, you are on your own.


Would you hire a refugee?

Spot



I would hire a refugee and even give them the keys to the safe.
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Depends on what the refugee is like. Some of them would rob you blind.
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Reply #19 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 8:39am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:03am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 3:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
Increasing JobSeeker payments is ‘sustainable’, new study reveals


Why should taxpayers give dole bludgers more sit down money?

The dole was never meant to be a lifestyle choice if you want more money get a job the minimum wage is nearly $20 hour



EXACTLY,  my taxes were not meant to pay some lazy assholes to sit on their arses all day while I work.

I think we need to toughen the system up.

The dole should only last 12 months and then cut off.

No matter who you are, what race, creed or colour you are.

Especially if you are a refugee.

12 months and then, you are on your own.

So what's your solution to the tens of thousands of employers who refuse to hire the jobless? Naming and shaming? Lawsuits? $500,000 fines? Jail?

And are you aware that keeping one million workers out of work at all times is OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY?
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Nothing like a bit of GetUp! propaganda.
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Juliar's alternative to a solution, is to throw up a bit of empty rhetoric whenever he hears a fact he doesn't like!

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The Jap Zeros are attacking!!!
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Your misguided and divisive analogies do little more than reflect your narrow mindedness and yet I sense you congratulate yourself for them, how profound!   



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Reply #24 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 5:25pm
 
looks like a closet Greeny has been exposed as only a Greeny posts character assassination stuff like that.

What is hilarious is when the Greeny becomes really riled and uses the last Greeny resort of falsely accusing his tormentor of defaming him/her with veiled threats of court action etc.

But nevertheless Increasing Jobseeker Payments Is UNsustainable as the taxpayers can't afford their money to be stolen like this.
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Let the Battlers be on the Dole and the Bludgers/Scammers be in the Australian Foreign Legion.  Wink

I'm sure you can all tell the 'difference' between the two?
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Reply #26 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 6:59pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 5:25pm:
looks like a closet Greeny has been exposed as only a Greeny posts character assassination stuff like that.

What is hilarious is when the Greeny becomes really riled and uses the last Greeny resort of falsely accusing his tormentor of defaming him/her with veiled threats of court action etc.

But nevertheless Increasing Jobseeker Payments Is UNsustainable as the taxpayers can't afford their money to be stolen like this.



I think I touched a nerve, Juliar saw a little of their own reflection and felt their character was being assassinated. And yet the straw-man, labeling and deflection tactics continue to show the small-mindedness of their activity here.

As far as being able to afford a reasonable level of Job Seeker. Adjustments to tax policy surrounding economic rent-seeking activities should be made to encourage actual wealth creation over mere opportunistic wealth consolidation. This could free up the necessary funds for this and many other of societies needs.

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Reply #27 - Jul 8th, 2020 at 9:32pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 3:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
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Why should taxpayers give dole bludgers more sit down money?

The dole was never meant to be a lifestyle choice if you want more money get a job the minimum wage is nearly $20 hour



Uhuh. And those $20/hr jobs out there are just begging to be filled, hey? I work a $21/hr job. The minimum I can work is 9 hours a week. And I can work up to 18 hours a week. If I want more hours, I have to do more at work in other departments. But, much of the time, I have to compete with other workers for hours. It takes someone getting sick or a resignation for me to get more hours temporarily.

I don't know of any job out there that pays over $20/hr and not have the employer expect people to give a $40/hr performance for their 38 to 50 hours a week.
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Jasin wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 6:44pm:
Let the Battlers be on the Dole and the Bludgers/Scammers be in the Australian Foreign Legion.  Wink

I'm sure you can all tell the 'difference' between the two?


Do we have scammers these days? I have to do 40 job searches a month and do some reciprocity task to be able to get $550 per fortnight. Otherwise, I work and get a reduced reciprocity load to manage, just to get an extra $300 per fortnight on top of my wages.

Unless you are talking about certain communities that have no obligations to report and get paid welfare as much as a low-paid 40 hours a week worker.
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Reply #29 - Jul 10th, 2020 at 11:31am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 9:44pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 8th, 2020 at 6:44pm:
Let the Battlers be on the Dole and the Bludgers/Scammers be in the Australian Foreign Legion.  Wink

I'm sure you can all tell the 'difference' between the two?


Do we have scammers these days? I have to do 40 job searches a month and do some reciprocity task to be able to get $550 per fortnight. Otherwise, I work and get a reduced reciprocity load to manage, just to get an extra $300 per fortnight on top of my wages.

Unless you are talking about certain communities that have no obligations to report and get paid welfare as much as a low-paid 40 hours a week worker.

Don't forget the brutal measure known as "income reduction". It's effectively a 71% tax and that level of taxation - effective or actual - is indefensible for anyone, let alone people earning less than $500 a week. This is why the minimum wage in Australia is actually about $5 an hour - after tax.

If you want people to be encouraged to work, then we must reduce the total tax and government burden for all low income earners from up to 71% down to 20% or less and THEN we can talk.
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JULY 9 2020 -
Church leaders join environment groups to call for increase to JobSeeker payments
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More than 20 leaders of Hunter-based religious, welfare and environment organisations have joined a campaign calling for a permanent increase to JobSeeker and related payments.

The heads of the Catholic, Anglican and Uniting churches, CatholicCare, Community Disability Alliance Hunter, Samaritans, The Wilderness Society Newcastle, Hunter Tenants Advice and Advocacy Service, Newcastle Climate Change Response are among those who have signed letters to the Prime Minister.




"There is a saying that a crisis does not change a society, it reveals it. The COVID-19 pandemic has revealed much about Australia as a society," the letter to Scott Morrison says.


"Australians have now seen that government payments and benefits prior to the crisis were inadequate for a life lived with self-esteem, contribution and hope. This has been true for many years but a rising jobless rate means millions of Australians now have first-hand experience of life on JobSeeker or JobKeeper."

Hunter Community Alliance organiser Callan Lawrence said it was the first time such a broad group of Hunter organisations had collaborated on an advocacy campaign.

The letters were accompanied by testimonies from local people affected by the payments.

The campaign follows calls from Hunter MPs to increase the Jobseeker rate.



The alliance argues that all government payments and benefits should not amount to less than $500 per week and that this payment should be indexed to wages.

The Australian Council of Social Services' has advocated for the same rate as part of its Raise the Rate campaign.

"Why should we invest this money in Australians who are in need of support? One: it is morally right, and the majority of Australians wish to support their neighbours and community members in a manner that covers essential living costs, maintains self-esteem, and allows meaningful participation in society," the letter says

"Two: increased government payments to these cohorts will charge an effective and socially responsible economic recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic that benefits us all."

A 2018 Deloitte Access Economics report found that increasing the rate of the JobSeeker payment, then called Newstart, by $75 a week would add $4 billion to the economy and 12,000 new jobs over three years.

Prior to the pandemic, the rate of Newstart had not been increased in real terms for 25 years.
"There is a saying that a crisis does not change a society, it reveals it. The COVID-19 pandemic has revealed much about Australia as a society," the letter to Scott Morrison says.


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Reply #31 - Jul 11th, 2020 at 12:33pm
 
ScoMo plays the voters like a well tuned violin. Dangling a handout in front of them and now he lowers it.

While blundering Albo says how he would send Australia broke with excessive handouts "funded" with Chinese bribes ?



Morrison confirms “further phase” of income support after JobKeeper expires
MATTHEW ELMAS JULY 8, 2020

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The federal government will fund a “further phase” of income support beyond September, as Victoria continues to grapple with a spike in coronavirus infections that’s forced the state to bring back its stage three lockdown measures.

In the Prime Minister’s most decisive comments yet about the future of the $70 billion JobKeeper program after its official expiry date on September 27, Scott Morrison said during a press conference on Wednesday that additional fiscal support would be announced.

“Where there is the need, there will continue to be the support,” Morrison said.

JobKeeper wage subsidies, alongside other support measures, such as legally-binding rent deferrals, are due to expire in September. This is driving concerns that many businesses will be dropped off a financial cliff and could struggle to recover.

These fears have compounded in recent days amid an uptick in coronavirus infections across Melbourne, culminating yesterday in the reinstatement of lockdown measures across the Melbourne metropolitan area.

Morrison said federal income support will continue to be delivered on a national basis, even past September, targeting businesses that continue to suffer declining revenue.

“These programs [JobKeeper and JobSeeker] act very much as automatic stabilisers in these circumstances and that’s the design element that will continue,” Morrison said.

“I think all Australians know that level of support can’t go on forever,” Morrison said.

“But the needs are continuing and we understand that. We have understood that for some time and we have been preparing our next phase on the basis of that understanding.”


Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann will hand down the results of a review into the JobKeeper scheme on July 23 and are expected to announce a raft of changes to the program.

It now appears increasingly likely this may include some type of extension for firms still under pressure due to the pandemic, but it’s not entirely clear what form that may take.

Other income support not related to wage subsidies remains a possibility, as the federal government considers how to best target the hardest hit industries, including retail, hospitality and tourism.

Treasury had already been considering varying JobKeeper eligibility tests to more closely monitor ongoing business performance, and paring back the level of payments to part-time and casual workers.

https://www.smartcompany.com.au/coronavirus/jobkeeper-september-extension/
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Reply #32 - Jul 11th, 2020 at 3:51pm
 
Just a small observation.

The money don't grow on trees.

To give money away, someone will have to give money to the grubberment.

Usually, tgat is the people who work for a living.

We already pay excessive taxes to accommodate an expensive grubberment as is.

Now we Will be expected to pay even more tax so that those not working have more.

At some point it will be worth more not to work, than to work.

And then no one will be working, and there will be no tax, no money, everyone loses.

I pat 48 cents in the dollar for every dollar I earn, I find this unfair.

Cut the dole, so that I can have what I have worked for

And those not working can have what they have earned.


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Reply #33 - Jul 11th, 2020 at 11:08pm
 
Too true.

Labor's solution is Chinese Bribes will pay for it.
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Reply #34 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 9:24am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 11th, 2020 at 3:51pm:
Just a small observation.

The money don't grow on trees.

To give money away, someone will have to give money to the grubberment.

Usually, tgat is the people who work for a living.

We already pay excessive taxes to accommodate an expensive grubberment as is.

Now we Will be expected to pay even more tax so that those not working have more.

At some point it will be worth more not to work, than to work.

And then no one will be working, and there will be no tax, no money, everyone loses.

I pat 48 cents in the dollar for every dollar I earn, I find this unfair.

Cut the dole, so that I can have what I have worked for

And those not working can have what they have earned.

You're posting this crap again. You have ignored my questions when I asked you last time, so I will post them again. And I will KEEP POSTING THEM every time you post this weapons-grade nonsense until you answer them.

What's your solution to the tens of thousands of employers who refuse to hire the jobless? Naming and shaming? Lawsuits? $500,000 fines? Jail?

And are you aware that keeping one million workers out of work at all times is OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY?
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Reply #35 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 9:34am
 
And on that last point, where maintaining high unemployment is official government policy, I am not making that up. Keeping unemployment at no lower than between 4% and 5% has been official government policy since the mid-1970s. Here is the proof:

Unemployment figures from the ABS are hard to interpret because of how they are defined
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Once upon a time, full employment was an objective of Australia's Government, and it meant what it sounded like.

From 1946 until 1975, successive federal governments — Labor and Liberal — kept the national unemployment rate below 2 per cent on average.

The "full employment" policy began with Labor prime minister John Curtin as part of his post-war reconstruction plans.

He had been advised that 1 million men and women, who were part of the armed forces and war industries, would want a peace-time occupation after World War II, and he desperately wanted the economy to absorb them.

He feared a return of high unemployment from the pre-war years.

Crucially, Australia's war effort had opened the eyes of policymakers in Canberra.

After they put the economy on a war-footing, they saw how government policies eradicated unemployment.

The implication was obvious. Unemployment was not inevitable — it was a policy choice.

Australia's 1945 White Paper on Full Employment, the result of Curtin's vision, trumpeted their new knowledge.

"Despite the need for more houses, food, equipment and every other type of product, before the war not all those available for work were able to find employment or to feel a sense of security in their future," the white paper said.

"On the average during the 20 years between 1919 and 1939 more than one-10th of the men and women desiring work were unemployed.

"In the worst period of the depression well over 25 per cent were left in unproductive idleness.

"By contrast, during the war no financial or other obstacles have been allowed to prevent the need for extra production being satisfied to the limit of our resources.

"It has shown up the wastes of unemployment in pre-war years, and it has taught us valuable lessons which we can apply to the problems of peace-time, when full employment must be achieved in ways consistent with a free society."

In 1946, the federal government created the Commonwealth Employment Service (CES).

The CES had the job of linking people with job vacancies and filling labour shortage — and it worked.

The national unemployment rate was just 1.2 per cent by 1947 and 0.9 per cent by 1948.

Full employment was here to stay.

In 1960, when the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) was established, the Government instructed it to use monetary policy to maintain full employment, among other things.

And full employment remained federal government policy for another 15 years.

But it was abandoned in the mid-1970s, partly because of the 1973-74 oil shock.

Policymakers were sideswiped by the shock.

It caused rising inflation, slowing growth, and rising unemployment, and the complications metastasised through the decade.

Multiple countries suffered the same fate.

Australia's unemployment rate jumped in 1974-75 and kept rising until mid-1983, when it peaked at 10.5 per cent.

Across the western world, policymakers shifted their energies to stamping out "stagflation".

The oil shocks of the 1970s forced officials to re-think if genuine "full employment" was possible anymore.

They eventually developed a new definition: full employment would mean the level of unemployment that kept a lid on inflation (i.e. on wages and prices).

The definitional change allowed the RBA to continue to meet its original mandate (to maintain full employment) on paper, while adapting to the new economic reality.

And that's the definition we still use today.

Before the coronavirus hit, the RBA was saying "full employment" for Australia's labour market was an unemployment rate of 4 or 5 per cent, perhaps a bit lower than 4 per cent.

So, when you hear economists talking about full employment, remember it doesn't mean what John Curtin took it to mean in 1945.

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It's something to bear in mind when the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) releases its monthly unemployment data on Thursday.

Economists think the official unemployment rate probably rose again last month, from 7.1 per cent to somewhere around 7.6 per cent.

But the official unemployment number won't say what you think it says.

Why? Because the Government's JobKeeper payments have been keeping hundreds of thousands of workers "attached" to their workplaces through the COVID-19 lockdown, and those workers have still been considered employed even if they haven't been working any hours.

It has made interpreting the unemployment data difficult.

The official unemployment rate has risen from 5.2 per cent in March, to 6.4 per cent in April, and to 7.1 per cent in May.

But according to the ABS, if we included the number of people who are still considered officially employed but who have been working zero hours (because they've had no work or they've been "stood down"), the official unemployment rate would be much higher.

Under the expanded definition, the unemployment rate would have been 11.7 per cent in April and 9.5 per cent in May.

That shows why it is so difficult to have a meaningful discussion about economics using official figures.

If someone told you Australia's unemployment rate was only 7.1 per cent, and the economy was just 2 or 3 percentage points away from full employment, they would sound psychedelic.

But that's the definitional game.

We may be in the middle of our worst economic calamity since the Great Depression, but the official unemployment rate is relatively low on paper.

Full employment is not full employment.

The unemployment rate is not what it seems.

Like other economists in the private sector, Citi's Josh Williamson had to put a caveat on his unemployment forecasts last week.

"There's a high degree of uncertainty around the monthly labour force survey data because of idiosyncrasies in the way the ABS classifies those that are employed or unemployed," he said.

At least we know what those words meant.

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Reply #37 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 5:40am
 
Bam wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 9:24am:
Valkie wrote on Jul 11th, 2020 at 3:51pm:
Just a small observation.

The money don't grow on trees.

To give money away, someone will have to give money to the grubberment.

Usually, tgat is the people who work for a living.

We already pay excessive taxes to accommodate an expensive grubberment as is.

Now we Will be expected to pay even more tax so that those not working have more.

At some point it will be worth more not to work, than to work.

And then no one will be working, and there will be no tax, no money, everyone loses.

I pat 48 cents in the dollar for every dollar I earn, I find this unfair.

Cut the dole, so that I can have what I have worked for

And those not working can have what they have earned.

You're posting this crap again. You have ignored my questions when I asked you last time, so I will post them again. And I will KEEP POSTING THEM every time you post this weapons-grade nonsense until you answer them.

What's your solution to the tens of thousands of employers who refuse to hire the jobless? Naming and shaming? Lawsuits? $500,000 fines? Jail?

And are you aware that keeping one million workers out of work at all times is OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY?



Why is it the employers fault?

Why is it the workers fault?

It's the grubberment that allows jobs to go off shore.

It's the grubberment that employs off shore workers.

We need to tax imports to death.

We need to start making our own stuff.

Yes it's gonna hurt, cost more and have less, but at least there will be more people employed.

Eventually, we will be capable of producing our own at reasonable rates.

But continually hitting the workers for more and more, while allowing multinationals to screw us is stupidity.

I worked for a company tgat shut down the Australian manufacturing arm to build in China.

It cost them a fraction of what it cost to build in Australia, but they sold these second rate machines for about 10% less.

All the rest was profit,

It's the same with all overseas manufacture, cost far less to produce, but they still charge as if manufactured here.

Simple solution, build here, employ peopile and tax imports to death.

Is that a simple enough answer for you?
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  You're posting this crap again. You have ignored my questions when I asked you last time, so I will post them again. And I will KEEP POSTING THEM every time you post this weapons-grade nonsense until you answer them.

What's your solution to the tens of thousands of employers who refuse to hire the jobless? Naming and shaming? Lawsuits? $500,000 fines? Jail?

And are you aware that keeping one million workers out of work at all times is OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY?      


Now,

I have a question for you,

Where do you propose to obtain all the billions necessary to keep dole bludgers in their beer and smokes?

You can bet that the grubberment will not raid their own little futures fund to give to you.

The workers are already handing over nearly half of what they earn, with some getting only slightly more than the bludgers.

Companies will simply head off shore, because the grubberment let's them.

Just how do you propose to find this extra, ongoing free money?

It's a fair question, you know it is?

Will you steal workers property to fund it?

Perhaps raid their hard earned super?

What about raiding their bank accounts?

And the abbos will still want their 32billion, the muzzos and monkeys will want their free cash as well.


Unlike you, I planned for my future.
I worked had, went without and saved hard.

Yet you feel you have the right to take what I have earned because "you really really want it".

I'm sick to DEATH of parasites.

Our country is full of them, and they are growing in number daily.

Always with their hands out, demanding, insulting, continually angry.

"Give to us or else" they say

"You owe us" they scream.

But if they got off their arses and dis some honest work, they would soon find out.

Exactly what it's like to be sucked on by the rest of the parasites,

AND YOU. WONT LIKE IT ONE LITTLE BIT
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Valkie wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 5:40am:
Why is it the employers fault?

Employers make the hiring decisions. Many Australian employers have been shirking their mutual obligation requirements for decades.

Most employers refuse to consider hiring unemployed workers if a currently-employed worker is also applying for the position.

Many employers have an unstated policy of never hiring unemployed workers, even if they are the only applicants for the job. These employers pretend they can't find anyone "suitable" before bringing in workers from overseas.

There's no such thing as a job queue. Workers are not hired in the same order they lost their jobs. It works in reverse, hence the employment "scrap heap".

It's a mark of your ignorance on this topic that this has to be explained to you.
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Reply #40 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 7:18pm
 
Socialists believe it is their right to be looked after.

Who pays for that the Socialists do not care as they believe money comes from some bottomless urn somewhere up in the sky.

What will happen to these Socialists when China takes over ? Mass eradication to the salt mines ? The Socialists are in for an almighty big shock!!!!

Of course Labor is proposing to pay for the Socialists' indolence with Chinese bribes just like Victoria is trying to do right now.

Socialism is a downward spiral to purgatory and famine.
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Reply #41 - Jul 14th, 2020 at 6:14am
 
Bam wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 11:03am:
Valkie wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 5:40am:
Why is it the employers fault?

Employers make the hiring decisions. Many Australian employers have been shirking their mutual obligation requirements for decades.

Most employers refuse to consider hiring unemployed workers if a currently-employed worker is also applying for the position.

Many employers have an unstated policy of never hiring unemployed workers, even if they are the only applicants for the job. These employers pretend they can't find anyone "suitable" before bringing in workers from overseas.

There's no such thing as a job queue. Workers are not hired in the same order they lost their jobs. It works in reverse, hence the employment "scrap heap".

It's a mark of your ignorance on this topic that this has to be explained to you.


You have not proposed any solution.

You simply repeat, pontificate and repeat.

Try looking at it from my perspective.

I earn around 140k a year.

Then the grubberment steals over 40k of that money.

Then, everything I buy is charged an additional 10%

And that's after all the sneaky taxes, charges and other theft takes place.

In reality, I get less than 1/2 of what I earn, to support a collection of bludgers

Imagine if you lost 1/2 of your income, I guess you would be happy to support bludgers?

In life, there are takers and givers.

Most of the people on long term welfare do not contribute at all.

In the volunteer organisation I work in my own time, there are perhaps less than 5% unemployed people contributing.
They are generally short term while looking for work.

We have virtually no long term unemployed, that's too much like work.

My wife also works for a volunteer social organisation.
She is the welfare officer.
The types she get in more often than not are takers, out for whatever they can get.
Occasionally a real fair dinkum person bludgeons their humility sufficiently to ask for help when it is Truely needed.
These people have come on hard times, but still refrained from demanding and begging because they have been givers all their lives.

Out of all the welfare cases, these are the ones tgat get to my wife.
These are the true and honest people needing welfare and for who the welfare system has been designed.

Not the lazy bludgers who just don't want to work.
Not the immigrants set on an easy, lazy life.
Not the thieves who play the system to get what is not due them.

As I said in the beginning.
There are givers and takers.

It's time the takers were told

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

12 months and benifits are cut, simple as that.

If that's a problem, take it up with the grubberment.
Get them to stop immigration
Get them to stop off shore manufacture and free importation.
Get them to force Australian made.

BUT STOP STEALING 1/2 OF WHAT I EARN.
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Reply #42 - Jul 14th, 2020 at 7:32am
 
Stop the LIMA Agreement where the Unions, presumably being bribed by the Chinese, with extortion and skulduggery force Australian businesses to close and send Australian jobs overseas throwing Australians out of work.

Join a Union and lose your employer and your job. Recall Holden and Ford and Toyota that the unions hunted out of Australia ???

What Australia needs is massive WWII style infrastructure projects like Snowy 2 and the modified Bradfield Scheme and establishing our own Hydrogen Infrastructure to make Australia self sufficient in Hydrogen Fuel instead of relying on tankers that bring petrol and diesel fuel from Asia.

Australia would seize up in a month if China stopped these fuel tankers!!!!!

History repeats itself. Not that people would remember what happened when the FABIAN Socialist Whitlam was abusing power. Along with the Unions he was able to decimate whole industries in manufacturing sending them overseas. A nation once built on private industry have become a nation reliant on government handouts.

The source of all this lack of manufacturing is the Lima agreement signed by the federal government in 1975 that required all our industry and agriculture to set up shop overseas.

Companies that set up overseas and remove jobs from Australia get fantastic tax breaks from the ATO.

The unions may be a small part of it but only small.

Our unsustainable wages came from union activities. And while union workers wages have risen marginally in 40 years compared to inflation, CEO salaries have risen hundreds of times in that 40 years. It’s the excess CEO salaries and perks that are destroying companies.
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The all powerful PM ScoMo amuses himself by embarrassing poor old Albo.  There is a video of it all too.



Albanese 'a fool' for selling idea of no hardships during recessions
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Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested Opposition leader Anthony Albanese “is a fool” for selling the Australian people the idea that there is no hardship in a recession, after the Labor leader “misrepresented” the PM’s words.

During Question Time on Tuesday Mr Albanese said “yesterday in this house, the Prime Minister admitted more Australians would lose their jobs because he is planning to withdraw JobKeeper in September, how many jobs is he planning to sacrifice?

“The leader of the Opposition misrepresents, in fact is completely wrong, about what I said,” Mr Morrison told the Parliament.

“I said we are in a recession, and in recessions people lose work.

“It is an awful tragedy for those Australians and that’s why the government has put in place record supports through JobKeeper and JobSeeker.

“Over $200 billion worth of support.

“If the leader of the Opposition wants to sell the Australian people that in a recession there is no hardship, then he is a fool.”

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Return to $40 a day JobSeeker would crush recovery   Sad
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Return to $40 a day JobSeeker would crush recovery
It is essential that JobSeeker never returns to the poverty levels of the old NewStart allowance, for the health and safety of the existing unemployed, the hundreds of thousands of workers who have lost work during this pandemic, and also for the long-term strength of our economy.

The ACTU today joins the Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) in a day of action in support of permanently raising the rate of the JobSeeker payment. Australian unions support JobSeeker remaining   at the current rate inclusive of the coronavirus supplement which allows unemployed workers to be financially secure while they look for work.

It would be a catastrophic mistake for the Morrison Government to cut the rate while we have 13 workers unemployed for every available job, and record levels of youth unemployment and underutilisation.

Quotes attributable to ACTU President Michele O’Neil:

“JobSeeker isn’t just important during the pandemic – it is essential that people looking for work have time and security to find a job. The $40 a day rate of NewStart was a poverty trap so low that it stopped people having the resources they needed to survive while looking for work.

“We need to understand the impact of this virus and part of that is ensuring that no one falls into poverty when they lose their job. Any move to cut the rate will be opposed. With 13 workers looking for work for every single available job what’s needed is support and a jobs plan.

“A cut to the rate during the recovery would be a disaster for working people, devastating for those already out of work and would be a crushing blow to the economy.

“The Morrison Government could give security to hundreds of thousands of workers by guaranteeing they will not cut JobSeeker.
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Reply #45 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 7:28pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 14th, 2020 at 6:14am:
You have not proposed any solution.

You simply repeat, pontificate and repeat.

Don't tell lies. Why do you tell lies?

Since you're too lazy to look for yourself, I'll spoon feed you with solutions I have proposed:

Lower government taxes and other government imposts:
Bam wrote on Jul 10th, 2020 at 11:31am:
Don't forget the brutal measure known as "income reduction". It's effectively a 71% tax and that level of taxation - effective or actual - is indefensible for anyone, let alone people earning less than $500 a week. This is why the minimum wage in Australia is actually about $5 an hour - after tax.

If you want people to be encouraged to work, then we must reduce the total tax and government burden for all low income earners from up to 71% down to 20% or less and THEN we can talk.


Full employment:
Bam wrote on Jul 4th, 2020 at 7:49pm:
It is abundantly clear that full employment needs to return. Real full employment, not the lie of declaring 5% unemployment to be full employment.

Bam wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 11:43pm:
People are starting to realise that we have not had full employment in Australia for over 40 years. Parliamentarians - both past and present - are openly discussing the idea of returning to full employment. If we had full employment, sham contracting would hardly exist because workers could easily obtain more secure work elsewhere.

Full employment could be the answer to rebuilding the economy (Opinion piece by Ged Kearney, 11/5/2020).
Jobs for Australia: A New Call for Full Employment (Online conference, 29/5/2020)

Bam wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:37am:
If the Federal government wanted to address unemployment, it would instruct the Reserve bank to have a target unemployment rate of 1%, not 5%. This was roughly what "full employment" meant when the Reserve Bank was established in 1959.

Bam wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Unemployment only exists because the government allows it, due to an adherence to false neoliberal doctrines. An example is defining "full employment" as 5% unemployment, backed by the fallacious and false argument that this is a "natural" level. Renounce these doctrines, reinstate real full employment as official government policy, and the problem of unemployment will take care of itself.


Reinstate the CES:
Bam wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 11:42pm:
Nope - not necessary. To fund a Newstart increase of $70 a week, just cut $3 billion out of the Jobactive Budget and redirect the funds.

Longer term, abolish unpaid overtime, scrap the current punitive system, reinstate the CES and introduce a Job Guarantee. Not only would unemployed workers have the work that they need, this would save about $5 billion a year.


A Job Guarantee:
Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:30pm:
If anyone wants to know what kinds of jobs can be done for a Job Guarantee, take a look at the recent bushfires for examples.

* Fire rangers - These rangers would mostly be Indigenous people working on their country, planning and supervising any planned burns that may be necessary.
* Wood cutters - These workers would remove fallen wood from forests that would burn in a bushfire. Some of this wood can be on-sold in Australia. Other wood can be exported to African countries where the people use local firewood, and donated so the people there do not need to cut down their own wood to burn. The cost of this export program can be funded from the foreign aid budget (assuming it is feasible).

Bam wrote on Oct 5th, 2019 at 5:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 5th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
A big issue is employment provider companies that dominate the job market. . I've been through them as many other people have . I believe many people would rather be unemployed than deal with them. Working for 2 weeks and not getting a call for another 2 weeks is absolutely obscene. No holidays and other benefits , no security and no rights. Do what they say or hit the road. It's one step away from slavery.

This is why a Job Guarantee is very appealing. It is a scheme where the government funds community work for four or so days a week for anyone who wants it. If an employment agency is not providing enough work, a Job Guarantee can provide work instead.


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Re: Increasing Jobseeker Payments Is Sustainable
Reply #46 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 7:29pm
 
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A comprehensive policy list that includes many measures to address chronic high unemployment:
Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:19am:
What would work is positive policy based on hope and freedom, not the negative policy of despair and oppression.

What would work is making sure everyone who wants a job can get one. That is the hope. Abolish all compulsory restrictions on how anyone spends their money and the many other restrictions imposed on unemployed and underemployed workers. That is the freedom.

* Abolish all compulsory cashless cards.
* Renounce the falsehoods of pretending that 5% unemployment is "full employment" or that it is a "natural" level. If people cannot find work, that is not "full employment". It is not "natural" if it is manipulated artificially. These lies must be called out.
* Abolish involuntary unemployment.
* Instruct the RBA to rebase its policy settings around maintaining unemployment below 2%. 1.5% should be the target setting.
* Increase compulsory superannuation to 12%.
* The RBA would gain a new mechanism to control inflation, a surcharge on the Superannuation Guarantee rate. It can raise or lower this as required, with the proceeds coming out of workers' pay. It would work more equitably than interest rates because interest rates only affect the spending of people with interest-bearing debts but a superannuation surcharge would affect all workers. Workers get the money taken from them back in retirement instead of handing it over permanently in interest charges.
* Redirect funding from pointless vocational courses towards ones where employers actually need more workers.
* Introduce an employer-funded co-contribution towards vocational and university education.
* Abolish unpaid overtime. 90% of the workforce doing 100% of the work includes up to 10% of that work being coerced from workers for free. That practice must be abolished so more jobs can be created for workers who want them.
* Introduce a Job Guarantee.
* Abolish the privatised job services networks.
* Reinstate the Commonwealth Employment Service as the Commonwealth Employment Commission (CEC). Its mandate would be similar to the old CES, but with the additional task of managing the Job Guarantee.
* All employers advertising vacancies would be required by law to advertise them with the CEC, Seek, or another similar recruitment board. Advertising with the CEC would be free of charge.
* Make it easier to relocate interstate for employment opportunities by providing a $5000 relocation grant for all workers.
* Cut stamp duty on property transfers in all states to 0.2% of the property value with a minimum charge of $500. Property stamp duty is a significant barrier to employment because it's a huge tax on moving house.
* Replace the property stamp duty revenue with a broad-based land tax. Farmland would be exempt but not the farmhouse.
* Abolish payroll taxes in all states and territories. It's a tax on jobs that varies among the states and this makes it complex and costly to administer.
* Replace the payroll taxes with a single national tax on company turnover that raises a similar level of revenue, with the proceeds distributed to the states on a strict per capita basis. Companies would receive savings through lower tax compliance costs.

It should be obvious from this list that addressing poverty and inequity requires a broad sweeping policy agenda that includes industrial relations reforms, taxation reforms, superannuation reforms, changes to the Reserve Bank, the agreement of the states and territories and other broad changes. Such reforms are needed to clean out a lot of policy deadwood that has accumulated over the past 50 years or so, primarily driven by a neoliberal agenda. It's obvious that neoliberalism is not working, and it has to go.

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