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Reply #30 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 5:46pm
 
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And this interesting little doco about that ship ...


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Reply #31 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 7:09pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jul 24th, 2020 at 5:46pm:
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And this interesting little doco about that ship ...




Wow, thanks for that, Lols.

I remember seeing that documentary a long time ago, must have been made around the time I took that 1992 picture of the wreck from Yanchep where the forward part of the ship had collapsed apart from the very front of the bow.

Jack Sue, the diver in that documentary, died at the age of 84 in 2009 and he even wrote a book about the Alkimos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Wong_Sue

https://www.jackwongsue.com/alkimos/

Let's hope that "Henry the Ghost" has finally found peace along with the "Ghost Dog" which wasn't mentioned in the documentary but was allegedly heard barking by some of the caretakers aboard in the early years after the ship was grounded (for the second and final time) even though no dogs were aboard at the times it was heard.
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Reply #32 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 8:42pm
 
At least shipwrecks don't happen very often these days, thank Christ for gps and the whiteman compass.
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Reply #33 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 10:43pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 8:42pm:
At least shipwrecks don't happen very often these days, thank Christ for gps and the whiteman compass.

I was watching a fascinating documentary on SBS tonight about the fatal mistakes that led to the sinking of the Titanic.
Even something like binoculars being locked up in another captains quarters.
At the end of the doco, all the mistakes mentioned, were big lessons for future cruise liners that adhered maritime laws made from that Titanic tragedy.
Did you know, April 1912 had the most icebergs in that area since 50 years prior! Normally only about 80, but in that time of the Titanic’s maiden voyage, there were 400 icebergs in the Atlantic.

I will see if I can find that documentary to post a link.
I have a few books about the Titanic. I can never learn enough about it.

”10 Mistakes That Sunk The Titanic” ... streaming now on SBS On Demand

That’s what it was called, so to see it one has to sign into SBS

I found this on YouTube..




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Reply #34 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 10:55pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 10:43pm:
Johnnie wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 8:42pm:
At least shipwrecks don't happen very often these days, thank Christ for gps and the whiteman compass.

I was watching a fascinating documentary on SBS tonight about the fatal mistakes that led to the sinking of the Titanic.
Even something like binoculars being locked up in another captains quarters.
At the end of the doco, all the mistakes mentioned, were big lessons for future cruise liners that adhered maritime laws made from that Titanic tragedy.
Did you know, April 1912 had the most icebergs in that area since 50 years prior! Normally only about 80, but in that time of the Titanic’s maiden voyage, there were 400 icebergs in the Atlantic.

I will see if I can find that documentary to post a link.
I have a few books about the Titanic. I can never learn enough about it.

”10 Mistakes That Sunk The Titanic” ... streaming now on SBS On Demand

That’s what it was called, so to see it one has to sign into SBS

I found this on YouTube..





It would have been seat in the pants sailing in them days.
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Reply #35 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 12:29am
 
Lols, the question about whether binoculars for the lookouts in Titanic's crow's nest would have made any difference to the outcome has been discussed for a long time.

Interesting (long) article about it here:

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/we-have-no-look-out-glasses-in-the-crows-n...

Discussion thread here:

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/binoculars.17936/

The general concensus seems to be that it wouldn't have made any difference and may have actually hindered the crow's nest lookouts by restricting their field of vision.

Personally, I'm rather intrigued with an apparent mystery regarding the Titanic's propellers - whether the starboard propeller lost a blade during the encounter with the iceberg and whether the centre propeller had 3 or 4 blades (the 'standard' configuration for the three Olympic class liners was two 3 bladed 'wing' propellers and a slightly smaller 4 bladed centre one).

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html

Interesting discussion here about the starboard propeller and whether it is missing a blade or not (myself, I think it is a bit hard to tell the way it is buried in the mud):

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/vibration-in-the-ship-ca...

There was another thread on that forum a while back (can't find it right now) where someone was asking other members what they would have done to try and save themselves if they had been on the Titanic during the sinking.

Someone replied and said they would make a raft out of whatever was available - wooden doors, etc. Then they would carefully lower their raft into the water, climb aboard and paddle around to the stern, carefully making a note of the number of blades on the centre and starboard propellers. This thread came after other (long) discussions about the centre and starboard propellers.


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Reply #36 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 3:07am
 
Wow Carl, just that first link was exhausting reading!
It makes me think .... those 2 guys in that lookout nest...
One could have the binoculars or “glasses” as it was referred to..
and the other to use his naked eye. That combination would work.

But no, the binocular situation is not the undoing of the Titanic.

I wonder if all those port holes had not been opened, (by guests having a sticky beak wondering what was going on) water would not have filled the ship as quickly, maybe then giving time for more people to get on lifeboats, or for that other ship to get there in time to rescue many.

I was watching a video about all the families that perished or half were saved only.
To find out many bodies were not recovered, or many bodies of people not known who they are, so they were buried as unknowns. Except via the advent of DNA .... an unknown baby.... that finally got a name on its memorial.

I will look at those other links later  Smiley

Have you seen the incredible underwater filming of the sunken Titanic wreck?




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Reply #37 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 4:03am
 
Was the accident not due to the captain wanting to set a new transatlantic speed record led him to keep further north than advisable?

Seat of the pants? They could work out latitude and longitude and bearing and had radio. Nothing protects about stupidity tho.
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Reply #38 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 9:50am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 4:03am:
Was the accident not due to the captain wanting to set a new transatlantic speed record led him to keep further north than advisable?

Seat of the pants? They could work out latitude and longitude and bearing and had radio. Nothing protects about stupidity tho.


Hi, Jovial. The transatlantic speed record is one of those Titanic myths that has been around almost since the sinking.

The White Star Line's Olympic class liners - Olympic, Titanic and Britannic, were built mainly for luxury and not speed. They could probably have made a maximum speed of about 23 knots if they were really "pushing it".

In contrast, the Cunard Line's Lusitania and Mauretania (which had both been in service since 1907) were capable of speeds of up to 26 or 27 knots although they usually averaged about 24 knots.

The only "record" that they may have been thinking about breaking was possibly beating their sister ship Olympic's (which had been in service for nearly a year) best transatlantic crossing time. The Olympic and Titanic were incapable of beating the record times of the Lusitania and Mauretania.

Sophia wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 3:07am:
Have you seen the incredible underwater filming of the sunken Titanic wreck?



Hi, Lols. Seen quite a few of those over the years but I haven't seen any yet from the most recent expedition to the wreck last year but apparently the wreck has deteriorated badly since the previous expedition in 2005.

Hey, guys, here's a couple of cool videos made by the Titanic: Honor and Glory team who are in the process of making a new video game featuring the most accurate recreation of the ship (inside and out) to date.

Titanic sinks in REAL TIME - 2 HOURS 40 MINUTES



That was made in 2016. Here's an updated version of the final 14 minutes of the sinking with extra details added (people, funnel guy wires, etc.)



I'll definitely be buying this game when it eventually gets released.  Cool
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Reply #39 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 10:13am
 
If you have lots of spare time, there's also another real time video made by the Titanic: Honor and Glory team showing the sinking of the Titanic's second sister ship Britannic after it struck a mine in World War I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic



An updated video of the last 12 minutes of the sinking:



Some of those views from the stern as it is lifting are quite frightening as are the "groaning" and other sound effects.

Here's a painting of the wreck of Britannic made some years ago - because the ship was longer than the depth of the water, the bow hit the bottom while the stern section was still above water which caused the massive damage you see which was also the part of the ship which struck the mine.
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Reply #40 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 1:45pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 10:13am:
If you have lots of spare time, there's also another real time video made by the Titanic: Honor and Glory team showing the sinking of the Titanic's second sister ship Britannic after it struck a mine in World War I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic



An updated video of the last 12 minutes of the sinking:



Some of those views from the stern as it is lifting are quite frightening as are the "groaning" and other sound effects.

Here's a painting of the wreck of Britannic made some years ago - because the ship was longer than the depth of the water, the bow hit the bottom while the stern section was still above water which caused the massive damage you see which was also the part of the ship which struck the mine.


And spare lockdown time is all I have now  Angry
At least this will be interesting information to take my mind off things.
Thanks for this very profound info 👍
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Reply #41 - Jul 31st, 2020 at 3:57pm
 
Hey, Lols.

Here's a demonstration video of what the Titanic: Honor and Glory team are working on. This video was done in 2016.



The realism is incredible. Here's their website (they also have a downloadable 'demo' version where you explore about 6% of the ship, I've tried it a while ago and its great).

https://www.titanichg.com/

When the game is eventually released, you will be on the Titanic and you can interact with crew and passengers before and during the sinking with the ultimate goal of getting off the sinking ship alive.

There may be some sort of fictional detective work involved while you're on the ship, something like identifying and apprehending a murderer who's onboard and trying to escape from England to America, not too sure at the moment.

In the meantime, the team are working on making the ship complete so you can explore every part of it. They may release that as a separate 'game' while they work on the characters and plot. I hope so.

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Reply #42 - Jul 31st, 2020 at 5:50pm
 
Beautiful portrayal of The Titanic.

Such a waste ... new ship and no expense spared fitted out luxuriously.

It reminded me of the ship we took my daughter on as her first cruise.
The Carnival Spirit in 2018.
Beautiful old age type dark wooden carved decor.
As soon as she stepped on board... it was “wow....wow” etc

I loved seeing her expression.

I noted in the video of the Titanic interior... showing bath rooms and then what seemed like a laundry.... just a big double laundry tub.

Hmmmm... hand washing only?





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Reply #43 - Jul 31st, 2020 at 6:06pm
 
The first use of electricity was for lighting. Took a while for other uses: refrigeration, vacuuming, washing & ironing and heating etc to catch on.

In antique shops you see lots of oil lamps converted to electric light—that is how you showed you had electric power not just electric light.

Look at some of the old electric companies: Electric and Light a common part of their name.

I am slowly (as I find pieces nice and cheap) building up a collection of irons: ones you filled with hot coals, others you heated in the fire, next I want an iron with a tank for methylated spirits: you got the metho burner going and could iron for quite a day with the iron staying hot—a revolution!

There is a reason why turn of the century housemaids worked 14 hour days—and were partly paid in beer! (Just like navvies were and for the same reason.)
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Reply #44 - Aug 1st, 2020 at 2:05am
 
I had a look at what type of washing items were available in 1914 and mainly a lot of handling ... scrubber board, wringer, hot pot of water to stir with paddle.
I can’t see how they washed their attires on a luxury ship back then... must have had washer staff doing it.
But no dryers? Would’ve taken ages to dry?

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