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Re: China is evil
Reply #45 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:01pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
Whilst it is admirable to call for support to India, however, realistically it probably cant happen just like that.  Even though the two countries have comparable population, India simply does not have enough to compete in all aspects.  For example, it does not generate enough power, have enough water, and grossly lacking in production and transportation infrastructure.   Socially, although the country is democratic, but most of its population lives in poverty, its society entrenched in the conservative caste system, and women still lacked a voice. 

Yes, it may happen one day, but infrastructure, water projects, and grass root education to change the society would take decades if not more to implement.  Whilst at the same time China would not just stay idle.  Its belt and road initiative had already connected 70 different countries - most of them not advanced, and have serious potential to develop. 

Its all well and honorable to call for all democracies to stand against the CCP.  But are they?  Remember, most democracies in the world also have a capitalist system.  To isolate China or Chinese associated mass production ability, means to abandon the ideology of free market, and economy of scale.  Perhaps as individuals, we can do it, but will all the multinational corporation have the same allegiance when their number one priority is profit. 


India is the only nation that has that potential - that is a fact. Sure, they've got problems. Rather than spending $200 billion on defence which is going to be useless, we should be strengthening our allies and pumping money into India to develop them. We should be selling uranium to India; I don't care if they make nukes with it - they ain't going to use it on us.
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Reply #46 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:18pm
 
Angels: "Looks like its coming down on me!"

It's not India, its not China, its not Russia, etc.

It's Australia and things are going to change a lot around here from now on. Already the Yankee Unions have sabotaged an entire State like a cockup (as stated by a Politician)! Trying to turn this country into another 'USA'.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #47 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:19pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
Whilst it is admirable to call for support to India, however, realistically it probably cant happen just like that.  Even though the two countries have comparable population, India simply does not have enough to compete in all aspects.  For example, it does not generate enough power, have enough water, and grossly lacking in production and transportation infrastructure.   Socially, although the country is democratic, but most of its population lives in poverty, its society entrenched in the conservative caste system, and women still lacked a voice. 

Yes, it may happen one day, but infrastructure, water projects, and grass root education to change the society would take decades if not more to implement.  Whilst at the same time China would not just stay idle.  Its belt and road initiative had already connected 70 different countries - most of them not advanced, and have serious potential to develop. 

Its all well and honorable to call for all democracies to stand against the CCP.  But are they?  Remember, most democracies in the world also have a capitalist system.  To isolate China or Chinese associated mass production ability, means to abandon the ideology of free market, and economy of scale.  Perhaps as individuals, we can do it, but will all the multinational corporation have the same allegiance when their number one priority is profit. 


India is the only nation that has that potential - that is a fact. Sure, they've got problems. Rather than spending $200 billion on defence which is going to be useless, we should be strengthening our allies and pumping money into India to develop them. We should be selling uranium to India; I don't care if they make nukes with it - they ain't going to use it on us.



india was always the supposed rival for china.
both came off fairly extreme poverty 50 years ago.

everyone thought india would outshine china.

but the truth is, since 2000, china has invested $12 for every $1 india has invested in infrastructure.

and chinas per capita disposable income has risen 400 % faster then indias.

that is the advantage of a centralised , long term planning control as exercised by the CCP.

i think many nations will look at china and look at india and think that china has the better model.

maybe even india will look at china and think china has the better model.

one thing is for sure.

china is dynamic and patriotic.
this is NOT the soviet union where people queued for bread and drove rediculous 2 stroke clankers around.

i cant see what the fuss is about in terms of the CCP "oppressing" its people. they seem to be doing quite well for all the oppression.

year on year increase in standard of living of around 7 %.

contrast that with the USA where people are absolutley crippled by student debt, health care debt and where 7 trillion dollars was printed , off the back of the american taxpayer so goldman sachs and bank of america could stay solvent.

if you want to see indentured servitude, look no further then how the ever shrinking middle classes in western democracies are treated.

president Xi would be a much more benevolent leader


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Reply #48 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:35pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:19pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
Whilst it is admirable to call for support to India, however, realistically it probably cant happen just like that.  Even though the two countries have comparable population, India simply does not have enough to compete in all aspects.  For example, it does not generate enough power, have enough water, and grossly lacking in production and transportation infrastructure.   Socially, although the country is democratic, but most of its population lives in poverty, its society entrenched in the conservative caste system, and women still lacked a voice. 

Yes, it may happen one day, but infrastructure, water projects, and grass root education to change the society would take decades if not more to implement.  Whilst at the same time China would not just stay idle.  Its belt and road initiative had already connected 70 different countries - most of them not advanced, and have serious potential to develop. 

Its all well and honorable to call for all democracies to stand against the CCP.  But are they?  Remember, most democracies in the world also have a capitalist system.  To isolate China or Chinese associated mass production ability, means to abandon the ideology of free market, and economy of scale.  Perhaps as individuals, we can do it, but will all the multinational corporation have the same allegiance when their number one priority is profit. 


India is the only nation that has that potential - that is a fact. Sure, they've got problems. Rather than spending $200 billion on defence which is going to be useless, we should be strengthening our allies and pumping money into India to develop them. We should be selling uranium to India; I don't care if they make nukes with it - they ain't going to use it on us.



india was always the supposed rival for china.
both came off fairly extreme poverty 50 years ago.

everyone thought india would outshine china.

but the truth is, since 2000, china has invested $12 for every $1 india has invested in infrastructure.

and chinas per capita disposable income has risen 400 % faster then indias.

that is the advantage of a centralised , long term planning control as exercised by the CCP.

i think many nations will look at china and look at india and think that china has the better model.

maybe even india will look at china and think china has the better model.

one thing is for sure.

china is dynamic and patriotic.
this is NOT the soviet union where people queued for bread and drove rediculous 2 stroke clankers around.

i cant see what the fuss is about in terms of the CCP "oppressing" its people. they seem to be doing quite well for all the oppression.

year on year increase in standard of living of around 7 %.

contrast that with the USA where people are absolutley crippled by student debt, health care debt and where 7 billion dollars was printed , off the back of the american taxpayer so goldman sachs and bank of america could stay solvent.

if you want to see indentured servitude, look no further then how the ever shrinking middle classes in western democracies are treated.

president Xi would be a much more benevolent leader




You want to take that chance? I don't.

Sure, China's economy is booming but it helps when you have an authoritarian government that has total control over everything (although they may not necessarily run the economy directly).
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Reply #49 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 8:55pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 4:58pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 4:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 3:34pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
oh and heres a marina in china.

yes, china has definitely got it all wrong  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Nothing beats a postcard in the service of propaganda!

Just ask Edward Burnays.



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Like Tienanmen Square?

The CCP has already shown us what it will do...

And, seriously, do you honestly think there isn't poverty in China many times beyond which Australia has seen in 100 years?

Picture-postcard propaganda is extremely viscerally effective... Who doesn't know that?

You do not have what it takes to comprehend the danger of totalitarianism.

Odds are that you never will.


like the kent state massacre of uni students in america protesting? Smiley

The difference is, you idiot, is that the US doesn't deny Kent State ever happened...

Get your useful idiot arse to Beijing and talk about Tienanmen Square and see what happens to you...

No wonder Stalin paid his useful idiots...
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Reply #50 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 9:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:19pm:
president Xi would be a much more benevolent leader



Sorry Scoot... But Australia has no use for you..

Best you be loading up the truck... You're not worthy of the freedoms you enjoy.
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Reply #51 - Jul 6th, 2020 at 9:22pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
Whilst it is admirable to call for support to India, however, realistically it probably cant happen just like that.  Even though the two countries have comparable population, India simply does not have enough to compete in all aspects.  For example, it does not generate enough power, have enough water, and grossly lacking in production and transportation infrastructure.   Socially, although the country is democratic, but most of its population lives in poverty, its society entrenched in the conservative caste system, and women still lacked a voice. 

Yes, it may happen one day, but infrastructure, water projects, and grass root education to change the society would take decades if not more to implement.  Whilst at the same time China would not just stay idle.  Its belt and road initiative had already connected 70 different countries - most of them not advanced, and have serious potential to develop. 

Its all well and honorable to call for all democracies to stand against the CCP.  But are they?  Remember, most democracies in the world also have a capitalist system.  To isolate China or Chinese associated mass production ability, means to abandon the ideology of free market, and economy of scale.  Perhaps as individuals, we can do it, but will all the multinational corporation have the same allegiance when their number one priority is profit. 


India is the only nation that has that potential - that is a fact. Sure, they've got problems. Rather than spending $200 billion on defence which is going to be useless, we should be strengthening our allies and pumping money into India to develop them. We should be selling uranium to India; I don't care if they make nukes with it - they ain't going to use it on us.


Potential, sure, may be in 10 or 20 years time.  And at this time, China will not stand still either. 

At the mean time, back home, we are racing into a recession.  Most of our allies are also in recession.  Many people is going to lose their jobs, especially the young, and this is shaping up to be another lost generation.  Do we really have the resources, or time to wage another cold war?  And this is not appeasement, this is survival.  Remember, in the last cold war, the allied countries were all doing well economically, where as the warsaw pack countries were hit with a serious of man made and natural disasters, and were in recession.  And this time, we are on the side where there are more recessions. 

Because, if our economy tanks, so will our sovereignty.   You can only talk and walk in the international scene if you are strong and prosperous.  No one is going to take a backwards country in deep recession seriously.  And then you will find that it is not actually China - who is situated in a different hemisphere that is the real enemy, but rather our so called close allies in our own region. 
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Reply #52 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 12:35am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 9:22pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 6th, 2020 at 12:26pm:
Whilst it is admirable to call for support to India, however, realistically it probably cant happen just like that.  Even though the two countries have comparable population, India simply does not have enough to compete in all aspects.  For example, it does not generate enough power, have enough water, and grossly lacking in production and transportation infrastructure.   Socially, although the country is democratic, but most of its population lives in poverty, its society entrenched in the conservative caste system, and women still lacked a voice. 

Yes, it may happen one day, but infrastructure, water projects, and grass root education to change the society would take decades if not more to implement.  Whilst at the same time China would not just stay idle.  Its belt and road initiative had already connected 70 different countries - most of them not advanced, and have serious potential to develop. 

Its all well and honorable to call for all democracies to stand against the CCP.  But are they?  Remember, most democracies in the world also have a capitalist system.  To isolate China or Chinese associated mass production ability, means to abandon the ideology of free market, and economy of scale.  Perhaps as individuals, we can do it, but will all the multinational corporation have the same allegiance when their number one priority is profit. 


India is the only nation that has that potential - that is a fact. Sure, they've got problems. Rather than spending $200 billion on defence which is going to be useless, we should be strengthening our allies and pumping money into India to develop them. We should be selling uranium to India; I don't care if they make nukes with it - they ain't going to use it on us.


Potential, sure, may be in 10 or 20 years time.  And at this time, China will not stand still either. 

At the mean time, back home, we are racing into a recession.  Most of our allies are also in recession.  Many people is going to lose their jobs, especially the young, and this is shaping up to be another lost generation.  Do we really have the resources, or time to wage another cold war?  And this is not appeasement, this is survival.  Remember, in the last cold war, the allied countries were all doing well economically, where as the warsaw pack countries were hit with a serious of man made and natural disasters, and were in recession.  And this time, we are on the side where there are more recessions. 

Because, if our economy tanks, so will our sovereignty.   You can only talk and walk in the international scene if you are strong and prosperous.  No one is going to take a backwards country in deep recession seriously.  And then you will find that it is not actually China - who is situated in a different hemisphere that is the real enemy, but rather our so called close allies in our own region. 

Another 50 cents for you... or is that 20 cents now due to the CCP-created recession?
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Reply #53 - Jul 22nd, 2020 at 5:22am
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 9:46pm:
There seems to be a lot of people around here loath to criticise China on anything. The same people, coincidentally protect Muslims no matter what atrocities they commit.

I can see a few conflicted lefties on this one.
China imposes forced abortion, sterilisation on Uyghurs, investigation shows

[url].abc./news/2020-06-30/china-forces-birth-control-on-uyghurs-to-suppress-populati
on/12404912 [/url]


Groundless accusation and ugly liar. Xinjian Muslim population is more than 3 times bigger since CCP took over China, from 3 million plus to 10 million plus. There are over 28000 mosques in Xinjian. How many in Australia? China birth control was only for Han people. Stupid Deng Xiaoping government!
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