thats not my idea of DV   to me its old fashioned JEALOUSY...



nothing quite like a women scorned...

she didnt need to kill him though..

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 6:37pm:



gprdy she ran him down and hes dead thats not nice...

you know some people have a terrible time with jealousy its really a mental issue for some....

never scorn a women gordy.....NEVER!

Black wives splatter?

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 6:35pm:


Well - relationship violence then - the term 'domestic violence' has become so abused to fit a one way scenario that it is now meaningless...

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 6:35pm:


We had a vigil tonight for a woman who died 5 nights ago at the hands of her estranged husband. I would not know what motivated him to kill his ex. However, I would not fob the motivation as just "old fashioned jealousy" like it is nothing to the victims.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 7:15pm:




so a name change may fix the problem you reckon???

somehow I dont think those who do the deed give a stuff about what we call it..

they dont see it as violence they see it as their right....like all bullies..they would never pick on someone their own size...and when they get ugly and bash someone   shortly afterwards they cry and say I will never do it again.....so she forgives him she believes him..she thinks she loves him....that is until the next time....its like being trapped in a revolving door......when hes nice hes very very nice  but when he mad....hes evil..

and the more she forgives him the worse he gets...

my dad was like that....not so much with the violence [ he gave my mum a black eye once]  but with his dark moods....that went on for months at a time...as kids growing up me and my brother were scared of him....we talked in whispers hated being in the same room as him......not a lot of fun for children thats for sure.

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 11:09pm:


Putting the problem - the REAL problem and not the flawed paradigm in use - is merely putting the whole issue in perspective - not saying that a simple name change would settle down the war.....

The earnest attempt is to get to the roots of this serious problem and actually do something apart from continue the violence on all sides... and wee can never do that as long as the issue is seen from one 'side' (there are no sides in a human relationship - only a whole) .... I'm the peacemaker..... not the problem...

So - when a man is killed in a relationship (modern family) violence incident.... we must needs discuss the women killed as well in similar situations. and not stick to the issue?

Doesn't sound like this guy 'bullied' his EX girlfriend - he shagged another woman... so the EX killed him.. pretty straight forward and nothing to do with the flawed paradigm and anecdotes from some distant past.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 11:18pm:




I disagree jealousy makes people do terrible things....

she found him with another women in his apartment....I dont think she set out to run him down....but in the end jealousy took over......

in many cases.. DV usually goes on for years before it ends up in death of someone...


here are a few stats to mull over..

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE STATISTICS
The vast majority of dangerous, abusive and violent behaviour that occurs in the privacy of people's homes is committed by men against women.  Violence against women is now recognised to be a serious and widespread problem in Australia with enormous individual and community impacts and social costs
KEY FACTS

The following basic statistics help demonstrate the prevalence and severity of violence against women:

On average at least one woman a week is killed by a partner or former partner in Australia.1

One in three Australian women has experienced physical violence since the age of 15.2

One in five Australian women has experienced sexual violence.2

One in four Australian women has experienced physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner.2

One in four Australian women has experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner.3

Women are at least three times more likely than men to experience violence from an intimate partner.4

Women are five times more likely than men to require medical attention or hospitalisation as a result of intimate partner violence, and five times more likely to report fearing for their lives.5

Of those women who experience violence, more than half have children in their care.6

Violence against women is not limited to the home or intimate relationships.  Every year in Australia over 300,000 women experience violence - often sexual violence - from someone other than a partner.7

Eight out of ten women aged 18 to 24 were harassed on the street in the past year.8

Young women (18-24 years) experience significantly higher rates of physical and sexual violence than women in older age groups.9

There is growing evidence that women with disabilities are more likely to experience violence.10

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women experience both far higher rates and more severe forms of violence compared to other women.11

Intimate partner violence contributes to more death, disability and illness in women aged 15 to 44 than any other preventable risk factor.13

Domestic or family violence against women is the single largest driver of homelessness for women14, a common factor in child protection notifications15 and results in a police call-out on average once every two minutes across the country.16

The combined health, administration and social welfare costs of violence against women have been estimated to be $21.7 billion  a year, with projections suggesting that if no further action is taken to prevent violence against women, costs will accumulate to $323.4 billion over a thirty-year period from 2014-15 to 2044-45. 17

References:

Here are a few facts to m7ull over:-


[quote author=cods link=1593332989/15#15 date=1593351397]



The following basic statistics help demonstrate the prevalence and severity of violence against women:

On average at least one woman a week is killed by a partner or former partner in Australia.



One in three Australian women has experienced physical violence since the age of 15.2

One in five Australian women has experienced sexual violence. 

One in four Australian women has experienced physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner. 

One in four Australian women has experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner. 

Women are at least three times more likely than men to experience violence from an intimate partner.

Women are five times more likely than men to require medical attention or hospitalisation as a result of intimate partner violence, and five times more likely to report fearing for their lives. 

Of those women who experience violence, more than half have children in their care. 

Violence against women is not limited to the home or intimate relationships.  Every year in Australia over 300,000 women experience violence - often sexual violence - from someone other than a partner. 

Eight out of ten women aged 18 to 24 were harassed on the street in the past year. 

Young women (18-24 years) experience significantly higher rates of physical and sexual violence than women in older age groups. 

There is growing evidence that women with disabilities are more likely to experience violence. 

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women experience both far higher rates and more severe forms of violence compared to other women. 

Intimate partner violence contributes to more death, disability and illness in women aged 15 to 44 than any other preventable risk factor.

Domestic or family violence against women is the single largest driver of homelessness for women, a common factor in child protection notifications and results in a police call-out on average once every two minutes across the country. 

Now stop slagging me and address the facts...     

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 3:09am:


Wrong - 62% of domestic incidents are STARTED by the woman - women suffer 60% of the injuries as a result... long held statistics for reality, turkey.


So 'DV' (the false paradigm) is NOT 'driven by men' - it is DRIVEN BY WOMEN - the outcomes do not reflect the driving force, so maybe those directly responsible need to stop doing it...

Real world for once, sonny...

You are so right, dumbass - opinion is NOT fact!

Many things contribute to DV but at the end of the day, when a strong person uses force against a weaker person, that's just all kinds of wrong.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 2:09am:



you do not wish to face reality..

these figures are from the DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.stats..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-24/family-violence-inquiry-left-more-questio...

At the time of writing, 21 women have been killed by a violent act in the 21 weeks since the start of the year.

That's according to the bluntly-named research project Counting Dead Women, which recorded 19 deaths for the same period last year.

In February one brutal murder particularly shocked the nation; that of Brisbane woman Hannah Clarke and her three children by Clarke's estranged husband Rowan Baxter.

So far today police in Australia would have dealt with on average
248domestic violence matters

Learn more about these numbers.Share

Links to all those FACTS have been put up here many times.

This strand was about some Black sheila killing her EX boyfriend, and you've been 'triggered' into making it all about the poor, poor women again - all without providing one single solid fact, but a lot of spin, cods.

So what now - are YOU counting kills?  One man, quite possibly having children in his custody, doesn't matter because a number of Aboriginal and Usual Suspect ethnic women are killed?

That is not helping the REAL issues of violence and the current gross mishandling of it that is causing so much more violence on all sides - same as not addressing the real issues for Aboriginals but stomping the streets with placards is not helping.

https://www.impactforwomen.org.au/australias-death-toll-2020.html

Spinski in operation - "oh - we don't differentiate by gender of the perpetrator - we like to leave that one open so everyone can claim it's men doing it."

If Port Mack was anything to go by - that's two in one hit - both women - run down by another FEMALE family member.  Aboriginal, BTW.

If you leave aside the reality that Aboriginals are 16 times the national standard likely to die in a family violence incident.... and certain Usual Suspect groups - which can include mothers in 'honour killings' etc - that doesn't leave much for the rest, does it?

Ready to break down the remaining 25 women for us, cods?  Tell us exactly who, when, what and where?

Until HARD facts are put down about exactly who does what - there will always be a total black hole in reality here.

Right -

"At the time of writing, 21 women have been killed by a violent act in the 21 weeks since the start of the year.

That's according to the bluntly-named research project Counting Dead Women, which recorded 19 deaths for the same period last year.

In February one brutal murder particularly shocked the nation; that of Brisbane woman Hannah Clarke and her three children by Clarke's estranged husband Rowan Baxter."

That's one for the men - two women killed by a woman - now detail the rest..... that leaves only 24 out of your original 27 to be fully reviewed.

And - oh - when you discuss 'reports' of violence - look at the real figures - most such reports (98%) are not found to be worth pursuing, so must never be included as 'violence', AND when you 'define' 'violence' as any feeling - violence ceases to exist as a reality - Newspeak cods, Newspeak.

Again that is pure spin... and pretty normal 'reporting' by a women's group with a special interest in ramping up the figures.  Again this is not helping the overall situation - just making it worse.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 5:40am:


If a bloke walked into a pub and verbally abused patrons it wouldn't be long before somebody punched his head in.

Any fair minded person would conclude the assailant did the wrong thing but the victim contributed to the situation.

Just as I'm sure some women are totally the innocent party in DV situations, there would be varying degrees of where the woman has created a situation where the bloke lashing out was a likely outcome.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:26pm:


So open a strand about it, Slick - this one is about a female EX smashing a bloke into a wall...

How about YOU stick with it, Tiger?

And if I want to go to the effort of making a thread about the news, I would have done so by now. I was just pointing out to someone not to just throw off a murder as "jealous rage".

Is there a Counting Dead Men network with its hand in the public pocket and its head in politician pants?

Come on, you Groundhogs* - you can get this 'curbing violence' thing off the ground yet... once you move on from the 'first step' that has been escalating women's and authority's attacks on men for 28 years now, with no end in sight.....  you know - the 28 year old 'campaign' to first cut down on 'male v female violence'.... by substituting with 'female on male' and 'authority on male'...

Sure-fired way to cut down on violence that - look at the escalating figures on violent female crime etc....

   

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:35pm:


Sometimes it would be, sometimes it just because the guy is a violent prick. Sometimes it's a mix of all of the above?

Gordon wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:18pm:



i dont think a guy should ever hit a woman but the usual scenario would not be

man comes home in foul mood and belts wife.

it would be man comes home and wife (fat janeen) starts shaming the guy (fat steve).

janeen resents the fact that steve is useless and just another child she has to look after.
she gets up in his face.

'your useless steve, why did i marry you, what have you done for me lately, you have a shiiit job, you are shiiit in bed, everything you do and everything you are spells loser"

and what can steve do to reply to that character assassination (much of which is true by the way).

he could get on the narrow road to success and bounce out of bed and create an awesome life.

but its a hell of a lot easier if you are a sad, pathetic, demotivated loser to just slap her .

domestic violecne occurs becasue men are not on their mission in life.
they dont have a north star

and so they get sucked into the petty bitchy nasty to and fro of emotional discontent

Gordon wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:


Without an open collection and discussion of all factors - it is impossible to arrive at a single definitive cause. While ever the discussion is tied down by one 'side' of this government created war, and no genuine efforts are made to do anything constructive about ALL facets of violence - this will only get worse due to violent official intervention on the basis of any claimed 'feeling'.

Violence begets violence - if you attack a person for refusing to go along with another person's demands or for asking for a peaceful discussion instead of violent abuse and attack - which IS the case in DV - you are the culprit.

When fair and open discussion is not permitted, and even the asker for it is abused and assaulted in many ways, not least by officialdom - you are sending the message loud and clear that violence is the order of the day.

What is surprising to date is that not more 'officialdom' types have been maimed and killed while performing this violence against the community.

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 6:35pm:


Why isn't it DV?

Because it wasn't inside the house? 

Bet if the shoe was on the other foot & it was the bloke doing the jealous rage resulting in murder it would be DV.

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:57pm:


Sydney dentist Preethi Reddy was murdered by her ex-boyfriend in the bathroom of a city hotel before he attempted to conceal the "heinous act", a NSW coroner has found.

Magistrate Forbes said women were far too often killed by their current or former partners and the case would be referred to the NSW Domestic Violence Death Review Team

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/preethi-reddy-murdered-in-hotel-by-ex-boy...

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:57pm:





this one is called a LOVE TRIANGLE.....in  other words jealousy.. ruled on the day.. she will be charged I would think WITH MURDER....

she doesnt appear to have planned to kill him...it could well end up being DV thats for sure because we dont know why their relationship fell apart...

maybe relationship violence ending in death..

dv means to me  a continuing failure .. the end act wasnt the first sign of violence..

for instance many women are killed after DVO are enacted....

when someone has to go to that extreme  it should send a signal to the powers that be......someone isnt coping with reality, they cant be told enough is enough..

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 1:48pm:



to my knowledge and in this case I dont think a DVO was applied for....

and of course enacting a DVO will trigger certain persons...... as does telling them " you are leaving them"....they just cant handle rejection.....

so what is the solution.. NO DVOS would that work?....

a visit to the offender by cops.... welfare.....mental health...

if only one size fitted all.....

Rose Batty is a classic example     she never for a moment thought her exhusband would harm their son.. he loved his boy.....yet he killed him with a cricket bat...


we have to have laws otherwise society wont work..

when you think of the number of deaths due to dv it is on the whole a very small number.....BUT why should one person not be allowed to leave a relationship.for fear of death.....why should a person live in dread and fear everyday because they are in a relationship with a monster who makes their lives hell..

please note  no gender mentioned......it goes for all persons....in a bad relationship.....

maybe mental issues are on the increase and we have taken our eye off the ball....because its so huge...

but I doubt removing DVOs would prevent deaths.....

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 2:06pm:




so what do you suggest the authorities try????

tippy toe of course wouldnt want to upset anyone would we?..

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 2:49pm:



we are all well aware of that   but dont you think discussion is a good thing.. you seem to dismissive of it...

my thoughts on it it is getting WORSE...

would it help when dv it reported they go to counselling...or at least anger management...

again it wont stop it all but it could prevent some things happening...

pieces of paper never stopped a thing....we know by the very stats.....and sometimes the authorities think oh well weve done all we can do...

look at DOCs   it isnt working... but why isnt it working???....it must fall down at a certain level...we are missing something and the consequence is the evil amongst us is growing...

chucking money or bits of paper at it is not the answer

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 2:59pm:


So, what is cods, or are you just talking....'Houston, we have a problem....the sky is falling....YOU come up with a solution.  I want a gabfest but YOU come up with the answer Houston.  I'll just virtue signal and sound important, but YOU have the job of solving it.  Get back to me and in the meantime, I'll gibber that we have a problem I know SFA about fixing. Sob."

When you cease posting crap about stalking, maybe.

Cods was correct ln this one, it's not DV. They dated for less than a week....shes a bunny boiler!

Gordon wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 7:24pm:


From the moment she developed the intention to kill, it was murder... time is not important... slamming a bloke against a wall with a 4WD sounds like murder to me.. you can't say you were only wanting to scare him...

She taught him a lesson he'll never remember now...  FFS - it's only sex.... people make such a big deal out of it.

Me?  I'm not the jealous type - if a woman is so stupid as to want to be with some loser and not me... not my problem - hers in the long run.