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Re: 4/6 model for Federal Parliament
Reply #30 - Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:43pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:38pm:
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Auggie wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 12:56pm:
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According to the UN Human Development Index (inequality-adjusted report), 9 countries rank higher than Australia.

1       Norway      0.889      0.954      6.8      Increase 0.010
2       Iceland      0.885      0.938      5.7      Increase 0.052
3       Japan      0.882      0.915      3.6      Increase 0.094[a]
4        Switzerland      0.881      0.946      6.8      Increase 0.015
5       Finland      0.876      0.925      5.3      Increase 0.040
6       Sweden      0.874      0.937      6.7      Increase 0.031
7       Denmark      0.873      0.930      6.1      Increase 0.021
8       Ireland      0.872      0.942      8.2      Increase 0.063
9       Netherlands      0.870      0.933      6.8      Increase 0.033
10       Australia      0.862      0.938      8.1      Increase 0.010

All of those countries have 4 year terms in their Parliaments, except for Ireland which has a 5 year term.



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I am not willing to support any Australian politician for any more than 3 years.


So, why do voters in countries with a higher standard of living than Australia feel comfortable with 4 years (or 5 years in the case of Ireland) but you don't?



why do you assume they feel comfortable?


Because there hasn't been any mass political movements against the 4 year term, or any political party that has campaigned for shorter terms.
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Re: 4/6 model for Federal Parliament
Reply #31 - Jun 1st, 2020 at 8:27pm
 
We need 4 years of election campaigning, each 4 years for the pursuit of happiness and to give fish a new deal.
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Re: 4/6 model for Federal Parliament
Reply #32 - Jun 1st, 2020 at 8:38pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:41pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:31pm:
He rarely goes into enough detail.


The problem is that I go into too much detail, which is why people just dismiss it as a thought bubble or a brain fart. No one likes to admit they're stupid.


Have you considered going into your thoughts rather than your details?
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Re: 4/6 model for Federal Parliament
Reply #33 - Jun 1st, 2020 at 8:45pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:43pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:38pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:22pm:
Auggie wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 12:46pm:
no


According to the UN Human Development Index (inequality-adjusted report), 9 countries rank higher than Australia.

1       Norway      0.889      0.954      6.8      Increase 0.010
2       Iceland      0.885      0.938      5.7      Increase 0.052
3       Japan      0.882      0.915      3.6      Increase 0.094[a]
4        Switzerland      0.881      0.946      6.8      Increase 0.015
5       Finland      0.876      0.925      5.3      Increase 0.040
6       Sweden      0.874      0.937      6.7      Increase 0.031
7       Denmark      0.873      0.930      6.1      Increase 0.021
8       Ireland      0.872      0.942      8.2      Increase 0.063
9       Netherlands      0.870      0.933      6.8      Increase 0.033
10       Australia      0.862      0.938      8.1      Increase 0.010

All of those countries have 4 year terms in their Parliaments, except for Ireland which has a 5 year term.



no 2 X

I am not willing to support any Australian politician for any more than 3 years.


So, why do voters in countries with a higher standard of living than Australia feel comfortable with 4 years (or 5 years in the case of Ireland) but you don't?



why do you assume they feel comfortable?


Because there hasn't been any mass political movements against the 4 year term, or any political party that has campaigned for shorter terms.



there hasn't been any mass political movement, or party campaign for 4 year terms here either.
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Re: 4/6 model for Federal Parliament
Reply #34 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:11pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 8:45pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:43pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:38pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 6:22pm:
Auggie wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 12:46pm:
no


According to the UN Human Development Index (inequality-adjusted report), 9 countries rank higher than Australia.

1       Norway      0.889      0.954      6.8      Increase 0.010
2       Iceland      0.885      0.938      5.7      Increase 0.052
3       Japan      0.882      0.915      3.6      Increase 0.094[a]
4        Switzerland      0.881      0.946      6.8      Increase 0.015
5       Finland      0.876      0.925      5.3      Increase 0.040
6       Sweden      0.874      0.937      6.7      Increase 0.031
7       Denmark      0.873      0.930      6.1      Increase 0.021
8       Ireland      0.872      0.942      8.2      Increase 0.063
9       Netherlands      0.870      0.933      6.8      Increase 0.033
10       Australia      0.862      0.938      8.1      Increase 0.010

All of those countries have 4 year terms in their Parliaments, except for Ireland which has a 5 year term.



no 2 X

I am not willing to support any Australian politician for any more than 3 years.


So, why do voters in countries with a higher standard of living than Australia feel comfortable with 4 years (or 5 years in the case of Ireland) but you don't?



why do you assume they feel comfortable?


Because there hasn't been any mass political movements against the 4 year term, or any political party that has campaigned for shorter terms.



there hasn't been any mass political movement, or party campaign for 4 year terms here either.


We had a referendum in the 1980s on the issue.
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Reply #35 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:02pm
 
What this is all about is public policy. Take away all the emotion and cynicism, and focus on public policy.

Let's say you want to make significant overhauls to various economic and social systems in Australia (irrespective of their merits), and when I say significant overhaul, I don't mean a tax here and there, a reduction in spending here and there; I am referring to changes in systems, structures and institutions; how do you achieve this in 3 years? How do you budget for this within a 3-year period?

How long does it take to develop policy, seek consensus, debate, promote it to the public, etc.?
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Reply #36 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:39pm
 
You're talking about forming a committee aren't you Auggie? That alone takes 6 months of planning.
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Reply #37 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:41pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:02pm:
What this is all about is public policy. Take away all the emotion and cynicism, and focus on public policy.

Let's say you want to make significant overhauls to various economic and social systems in Australia (irrespective of their merits), and when I say significant overhaul, I don't mean a tax here and there, a reduction in spending here and there; I am referring to changes in systems, structures and institutions; how do you achieve this in 3 years? How do you budget for this within a 3-year period?

How long does it take to develop policy, seek consensus, debate, promote it to the public, etc.?


It's proven that all thoughts are manifest of emotion.
If you have no emotional input, then the thought (Policy) is not the truth.
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Reply #38 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:43pm
 
...Auggie's trying to force the issue. This might be interesting.
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Reply #39 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:17am
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:11pm:
We had a referendum in the 1980s on the issue.


Yes 1988 32% voted yes to support the proposal.

It passed in NSW. unfortunately. Nothing got any better, in fact we recently locked in another idiot for too long.

Also Passed in Qld, The voters voted no so a few years later put it on again and had it passed by 53%. The Bob Katter party were given the job or running the no vote.
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Reply #40 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:19am
 
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It would still be a big model. 4/1,000 would be more portable.
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Reply #41 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 8:52am
 
freediver wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 1:49pm:

Do you choose these things randomly Auggie?





Auggie is an 'innovator'.




IMPROVEMENT, ON AN EXISTING MODEL.....


Quote:

.....The proper way to study disease is to study health and every influence favorable or not to its continuance.

Disease is perverted health.

Any influence that lowers nerve-energy becomes disease-producing.

Disease cannot be its own cause; neither can it be its own cure, and certainly not its own prevention.

- TOXEMIA EXPLAINED - J. H. Tilden  1926

i.e.
If you want to find the secret to good health, study what healthy people do [....rather than studying to ameliorate THE SYMPTOMS of disease in situ].



LIKEWISE.....
If we want to improve any existing [poorly performing] system or process, the best way to achieve further improvement,
isn't necessarily going to be, to try something radically new or different.
[.....'re-inventing the wheel.']

The best way to achieve improvement [success], imo, in any system or process, is to look at [existing or historic] comparable systems or processes which produce outcomes which are seen to be efficient and superior.

Study the superior system, and seek to determine what is     THE CAUSE     of that superiority.

Then adopt that successful process model.



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Reply #42 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 6:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:39pm:
You're talking about forming a committee aren't you Auggie? That alone takes 6 months of planning.


And another six months to wipe arses.
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Reply #43 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 6:15pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:17am:
Auggie wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:11pm:
We had a referendum in the 1980s on the issue.


Yes 1988 32% voted yes to support the proposal.

It passed in NSW. unfortunately. Nothing got any better, in fact we recently locked in another idiot for too long.

Also Passed in Qld, The voters voted no so a few years later put it on again and had it passed by 53%. The Bob Katter party were given the job or running the no vote.


It didn't pass but it did show that it was considered an issue to put forward to the people.

In addition, I think they made a mistake by proposing to have the Senate reduced to 4 years.
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Reply #44 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 6:16pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 9:43pm:
...Auggie's trying to force the issue. This might be interesting.


I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm simply making the point that if you're focusing on public policy and want to implement radical change, then 3 years isn't time to do it.

Do you believe it's enough time?
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