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France's Determination to End Free Speech
May 27th, 2020 at 9:29am
 



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France's Determination to End Free Speech


by Judith Bergman
May 26, 2020


    Private companies will now be obliged to act as thought police on behalf of the French state or face heavy fines.

    "Under the pretext of fighting 'hateful' content on the Internet, it [the Avia law] is setting up a system of censorship that is as effective as it is dangerous... 'hate' is the pretext systematically used by those who want to silence dissenting opinions.... A democracy worthy of its name should accept freedom of expression." — Guillaume Roquette, editorial director of Le Figaro Magazine, May 22, 2020.


    "What is hate? You have the right not to love... you have the right to love, you have the right to hate. It's a feeling... It cannot be judicialized, legislated." — Éric Zemmour, CNews, May 13, 2020.



    Asking private companies -- or the government -- to act as thought police does not belong in a state that claims to follow a democratic rule of law. Unfortunately, the question is not whether France will be the last European country to introduce such censorship laws, but what other countries are next in line......

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16057/france-free-speech



If public criticism of [open] wrongdoing [within a society of men] is prohibited, then freedom [from oppression] itself is prohibited.

And it is a declaration that the tyrant is in control of all public communication and all public discourse.


Dictionary;
discourse = = written or spoken communication or debate.       a formal discussion of a topic in speech or writing.



If personal liberty means anything, it means we have a right to say, what others may not want to hear.

That is not an argument that others, must be compelled to hear [and agree with] what i want to say, but that i [or anyone else - living within a liberal democracy] has a right [IN LAW] to say things, which others may not want to hear.



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AN ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT OF FREE AND OPEN DEBATE, IN ANY FREE SOCIETY  ----- >

this is what i once posted on the ABC Q&A online forum....
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THE WHOLE POINT OF FREE AND OPEN DEBATE


What the ABC forum MODERATORS are effectively saying is,

"Your point of view is [pick one] untrue/offensive/too contentious. And i won't allow such views to be expressed here."

My argument to the MODERATORS is,
ABC forum MODERATORS may disagree with my opinions, and even say that my opinions are untrue or 'offensive' to some.

But if they feel that, then shouldn't they, or somebody else, be prepared to make that argument, IN THE FORUM, against any points i present?

If i do regard ISLAM as an 'offensive' philosophy, then in a 'free and open' forum, shouldn't i be permitted to express that point of view, and to demonstrate, why i hold that particular view about ISLAM?

And if the detractors [of certain comments i have made] have a legitimate complaint, then let them air it [IN THE FORUM], and have their complaint tested in debate!
.....FOR ALL TO SEE.


Shouldn't the ABC forum MODERATORS allow those people who frequent the ABC forum pages, to decide for themselves if my [or anyone elses] arguments have any merit [or not]?



If what i say is untrue, or ridiculous, that fact, will soon become apparent to everyone, when what i say, is exposed to the light of [widespread] scrutiny.






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AN ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT OF FREE AND OPEN DEBATE  ----- >

this is what i once posted on the ABC Q&A online forum....
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WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS TYPE OF 'MODERATION' IN A [POLITICAL] FORUM?

One obvious consequence is that ALL DEBATE on a particular issue [on such a forum, within that forum] can be 'guided'.

The debate is 'guided', to the point where only 'acceptable' views, will influence THE DIRECTION OF THE DEBATE.

In other words, what is ostensibly [to an outside observer] an open, online forum, for political debate, becomes a *pseudo* forum for political debate.






Dictionary;
pseudo = = not genuine; fake, pretentious, or insincere.





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Re: France's Determination to End Free Speech
Reply #1 - May 27th, 2020 at 11:32am
 
Quel dommage, Yadda, its been happening for a long time; in 1994 the French Minister of Culture and the French Language published 'Law 94-665 Relating to the Use of the French Language' which sought to impose French on France.

Pas de probleme...
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Re: France's Determination to End Free Speech
Reply #2 - May 27th, 2020 at 12:03pm
 


Yadda said, in the OP
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If what i say is untrue, or ridiculous, that fact, will soon become apparent to everyone, when what i say, is exposed to the light of [widespread] scrutiny."





And isn't that the essential problem [with 'Free Speech'],      ...for some ? !!

That, those standing on the 'dark side' of any issue, abhor any open scrutiny or exposure, of their [often nefarious] position ?


Dictionary;
abhor = = detest; hate.




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John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5  The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

['leasing' = = deceitful]


Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:



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Re: France's Determination to End Free Speech
Reply #3 - May 27th, 2020 at 4:03pm
 




in the same article, cited in the OP.....




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    "Under the pretext of fighting 'hateful' content on the Internet, it [the Avia law] is setting up a system of censorship that is as effective as it is dangerous... 'hate' is the pretext systematically used by those who want to silence dissenting opinions.

    "This text [law] is dangerous because, according to lawyer François Sureau, 'it introduces criminal punishment... of the conscience'.

It is dangerous...because it delegates the regulation of public debate... on the internet to American multinationals... A democracy worthy of its name should accept freedom of expression".

Jean Yves Camus. from Charlie Hebdo, called the law "a placebo for fighting hate" and pointed out that the "hyper-focus on online hate" masks the real danger:



    "It is not online hatred that killed Ilan Halimi, Sarah Halimi, Mireille Knoll, the victims of the Bataclan, Hyper Cacher and Charlie; it is an ideology called anti-Semitism and/or Islamism...

Who determines what hatred is and its [distinction from] criticism?

A Pandora's box has just been opened...

There is a risk of a slow but inexorable march towards a digital language hyper-normativized by political correctness, as defined by active minorities".




https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16057/france-free-speech



These type of laws will allow the 'descent' of a free society, into the normalisation of it becoming a tyrannous state.

Where the political state can deem any publicly expressed political criticism, A HATE CRIME, against any [convenient] 'victim'.


This [the above political circumstance] is the political status quo within every ISLAMIC jurisdiction.

This is the political status quo within every Marxist guided jurisdiction.

Where, within those political jurisdictions, the right and the safety of the individual citizen, is always 'expendable' and secondary,
to the right and the safety [and the desires] of the majority.



How soon we discard, and forget, the sacrifices, and the blood spilled, of our forefathers,
in their opposition to dangerous political tyranny.

And their hope, to secure political freedoms for themselves and for their children.



Political Socialism is founded upon political oppression, and theft [of private property], and murder.

And Socialism is always empowered by a tyrannical political state, which is always 'guided' by a corrupt and ruthless political elite.


e.g.
Today, China,
the 'modern' Russian state,
North Korea,
Venezuela,
all ISLAMIC jurisdictions [corrupt and ruthless murderers - killings occurring either openly and 'lawfully', or behind a 'veil' of political concealment and political facilitation].




".....A new order will rise.
We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc.
We have only to remove those who oppose us."
Saruman - LOTR


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