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Reply #2 - May 26th, 2020 at 3:12pm
 
the satellites can't see through clouds. Wink
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Reply #3 - May 26th, 2020 at 3:25pm
 
lee wrote on May 26th, 2020 at 3:12pm:
the satellites can't see through clouds. Wink



Infrared?
Microwave?
Radar?

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Reply #4 - May 26th, 2020 at 3:31pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 26th, 2020 at 3:25pm:
Infrared?
Microwave?
Radar?



Seeing how as Monk likes to post about infrared, I will let you decide. Wink
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Reply #5 - Aug 8th, 2020 at 6:19pm
 
Anthropogenic Global Climate Change - or whatever it is called now - is a load ignorant, media and social justice generated drivel.

Carbon is a girl’s best friend

The Australian Press Council has joined the cancel culture club
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As a result of an activist campaign, the Australian Press Council took exception to my article in the Australian on 22 November, 2019. They claimed that my statement that there ‘are no carbon emissions. If there were, we could not see because most carbon is black. Such terms are deliberately misleading, as are many claims’ was false.

Journalists in the Press Council should know basic English and the difference between an element (carbon) and a compound (carbon dioxide). This is elementary schoolkid’s science. For the Press Council to claim that this is factually incorrect shows breathtaking ignorance. There are eight forms (allotropes) of carbon, one of them (diamond) is not black which is why the word ‘most’ was used. I was showing that to call the odourless, colourless. tasteless gas that is the food of life as ‘carbon emissions’ is Orwellian.

The Press Council objected to the use of ‘fraudulent’ in my statement about ‘fraudulent changing of weather records’. It is clear that the council is not aware of the widely publicised fraudulent expunging of the Medieval Warming and the Little Ice Age by Michael Mann and failed court cases initiated by Mann. They are clearly not aware of the admission of fraud in the Climategate emails.

The Press Council wrote ‘The Council considers that the statement concerning the Bureau of Meteorology fraudulently changing weather records is one of fact and implies an element of dishonesty or deception on its part’. I made absolutely no reference whatsoever to the Bureau of Meteorology. I have been verballed. When can I expect an apology?

It was claimed that my statement ‘unsubstantiated claims polar ice is melting’ was wrong. Polar ice concurrently melts, grows and moves and polar ice includes terrestrial ice and sea ice. Changes in polar ice are due to a diversity of reasons and my point was that we only hear from activists who claim that polar ice is melting due to human-induced global warming. We don’t hear that glaciers move due to recrystallisation, that many glaciers are growing or that there are more that 150 volcanoes and areas of hot rocks beneath the Antarctic ice.

The Press Council claimed that my statement ‘the ignoring of data that shows Pacific islands and the Maldives are growing rather than being inundated’ was false. There is a huge amount of scientific literature based on aerial photographs and satellite images showing that atolls are increasing in area. A ten-second Google search would have shown peer-reviewed publications supporting this statement. Why was this not done? Or maybe the Press Council has become yet another activist institution?

As soon as the words carbon footprint, emissions, pollution, and decarbonisation, climate emergency, extreme weather, unprecedented and extinction are used, I know I am being conned by ignorant activists, populist scaremongering, politicians and rent seekers.

Pollution by plastics, sulphur and nitrogen gases, particulates and chemicals occurs in developing countries. That’s real pollution. The major pollution in the West is the polluting of minds about the role of CO2. There are no carbon emissions. If there were, we would not be able to see because most carbon is black. Such terms are deliberately misleading, as are many claims. But then again, we should be used to this after the hysteria about the Great Barrier Reef. We’ve had reefs on Earth for 3,500 million years. They came and went many times, thriving when water was warmer and there was an elevated CO2 content of the atmosphere. Reefs need CO2; it’s their basic food.

It has never been shown that human emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming. Climate models have been around 30 years. They have all failed. Balloon and satellite measurements show a disconnect from climate model predictions. We emit a trace atmospheric gas called carbon dioxide at a time in planetary history of low atmospheric carbon dioxide. Earth’s climate dances to rhythms every day, every season and on far larger lunar, oceanic, solar, orbital, galactic and tectonic cycles. Climate change is normal and continual. When cycles overlap, climate change can be rapid and large. Sporadic events such as supernovas and volcanic eruptions can also change climate. The main greenhouse gas is water vapour. It is the only gas in air that can evaporate, humidify and condense into clouds that precipitate rain, hail and snow. Earth is unevenly heated. Oceans hold most of the planet’s surface heat, not the atmosphere.

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Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2020 at 6:19pm
 
Carbon dioxide is plant food. It is neither a pollutant nor a toxin. Without carbon dioxide, all life on Earth would die. Plants convert carbon dioxide, water and sunlight during photosynthesis into sugars, cellulose, fruit, vegetables and grains, which animal life uses as food. Marine organisms also take up and use carbon dioxide. Plants need almost three times today’s carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere to thrive. For decades horticulturalists have pumped carbon dioxide into glasshouses to increase yields. The fossil record shows that a thriving and diversification of plant and animal life occured every time the atmosphere had a very high carbon dioxide content. In the past, warming has never been a threat to life on Earth. Why should it be now? When there is a low atmospheric carbon dioxide content, especially during very cold times, life struggles.

For the past 500 million years, the atmospheric carbon dioxide content has been decreasing and if we halved today’s atmospheric carbon dioxide content, all life would die. This carbon dioxide has been removed into the oceans and is sequestered into coral, shells, limey sediments and muds and on the land into coals, muds, soils and vegetation.

In our lifetime, there has been no correlation between CO2 emissions and temperature. Geology shows us again there is no correlation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and temperature. Each of the six major past ice ages began when the atmospheric CO2 content was far higher than at present. The idea that a slight increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide will lead to unstoppable global warming is demonstrably wrong.

In the past decade China has increased its CO2 emissions by 53 per cent, 12 times Australia’s total output of 1.3 per cent of the global total. The grasslands, forests, farms and continental shelves of Australia absorb far more carbon dioxide than we emit. The attack on emissions of the gas of life is an irrational attack on industry, our modern way of life, freedoms and prosperity. It has nothing to do with the environment.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/08/carbon-is-a-girls-best-friend/
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Reply #7 - Aug 8th, 2020 at 9:58pm
 
What are the chances or possibly that the whole Climate Change storey has been hijacked by China?

While they are still burning coal and making money selling dodgy renewable hardware to the rest of the world

While they use cheap coal and can undercut other vountries that are using expensive renewables
Plausible?

Even if temps are rising due to other reasons
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 11:35am
 
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In January 1859, Tyndall began studying the radiative properties of various gases. Part of his experimentation included the construction of the first ratio spectrophotometer, which he used to measure the absorptive powers of gases such as water vapor, "carbonic acid" (now known as carbon dioxide), ozone, and hydrocarbons. Among his most important discoveries were the vast differences in the abilities of "perfectly colorless and invisible gases and vapors" to absorb and transmit radiant heat. He noted that oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen are almost transparent to radiant heat while other gases are quite opaque.

Tyndall's experiments also showed that molecules of water vapor, carbon dioxide, and ozone are the best absorbers of heat radiation, and that even in small quantities, these gases absorb much more strongly than the atmosphere itself.


https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Tyndall

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Black body radiation

If it is not CO2 causing the warming (and the extra water vapor the warmth from the CO2 causes to evaporate from oceans) then it can only be the sun. OOPS!

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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 3:04pm
 
Poor JM jumping straight to his 3 card trick.

TSI back to 1880 with a accuracy of 0.1 w/m2? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Global Temperature back to 1880 with a 0.1C accuracy? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Global Temperatures today with an accuracy of 0.001C? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Remember what Phil Jones, CRU, said?

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    The issue Ray alludes to is that in addition to the issue
    of many more drifters providing measurements over the last
    5-10 years, the measurements are coming in from places where
    we didn't have much ship data in the past. For much of the SH
    between 40 and 60S the normals are mostly made up as there is
    very little ship data there
. [Phil Jones]"


You do know spectrometers can't see through clouds don't you? How do you reckon that impacts your CO2 spectrometer readings from space? Cool

You do know the earth is not a black body? Roll Eyes

"Context. There is no consensus on the amplitude of historical solar forcing. The estimated magnitude of the total solar irradiance (TSI) difference between the Maunder minimum and the present time ranges from 0.1 to 6 W m−2 making the simulation of the past and future climate uncertain."

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2018/07/aa31199-17/aa31199-17.html

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Reply #10 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 5:27pm
 
Thanks Lee,

Monk doesn't know.
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Reply #11 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 5:59pm
 
Solar output down, global temperature up.

Permafrost thawing out.

Arctic ice that was 10 metres thick last century, 5m thick for the first part of this century, now 2m is the thickest ice there is.

This despite solar insulation north of 66°N decreasing—the Milankovitch cycle.

And we have known from the 1850s that CO2, H2O and CH4 are opaque to IR.
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Reply #12 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 6:18pm
 
The earth-atmosphere does act as a blackbody. Solar radiation hits the planet, the planet emits IR which when it reaches space will cool the globe.

CO2 is opaque to IR. . . can you fill in the blanks Bobby? You are the Southern Hemisphere expert according to Dubyne! Of course, he didn’t mean that, he was just patting you on the head so you keep donating and watching his monetised videos.

Try anyway.

CO2 is opaque to IR so . . . . ?
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Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 6:21pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 13th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
Solar output down, global temperature up.



Only in your fevered imagination. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 13th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
Permafrost thawing out.



And this has never happened before? Grin Grin Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 13th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
Arctic ice that was 10 metres thick last century, 5m thick for the first part of this century, now 2m is the thickest ice there is.



Arctic ice is still there well after the 2013 timeline.

You mean those ships passing through the Arctic don't need those ice breaker keels? Grin Grin Grin Grin

"The Russian icebreaker Kapitan Dranitsyn has been stuck for days in unexpectedly thick Arctic sea ice. She was on her way to support the MOSAiC expedition –a crew of “climate change experts” aboard the Polarstern who intentionally marooned themselves near the North Pole at a cost of $158 million to document an Arctic Winter (see full article here)— but now requires assistance herself, and a THIRD icebreaker, the Admiral Makarov, departed from Murmansk on March 3."

https://electroverse.net/yet-another-icebreaker-finds-itself-stuck-in-unexpected...

Well into the melt season.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 13th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
And we have known from the 1850s that CO2, H2O and CH4 are opaque to IR.



And yet you still tried to peddle the story of the spectrometry of the CO2 from space. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 6:30pm
 
Why not?

We know the effect of CO2 on the IR spectrum looking down and we know it looking up. Clouds do not block all the IR reaching space, just the part in the H2O part of the IR spectrum, not the CO2 or CH4 or N2O or O3 or CFC part of the spectrum.

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