Um

Norway is capitalist country with a generous welfare system

if you want to compare capital is USA to a socialist country
You should be honest enough to compare it to Venezuela

In Venezuela doctors are forbidden by law to write starvation on death certificates as a cause of death
Apparently was making the government look bad

Richdude wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 6:49am:



Yeah but not everyone benefits. That's why the wealth gap is so big in the US

aquascoot wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 6:33am:


No no, let's compare the US to a "noble capitalist" country like Norway. It's one of those countries Mr Trump wants more immigrants from, remember?

Richdude wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 12:49am:


Norwegians live longer, produce more wealth, get higher wages, two months paid annual leave, free University and health care, and pay nearly exactly the same income tax. Do you know something?

I think you're right.

We'll win so much we'll get tired of winning, no?

Richdude wrote on May 23^rd, 2020 at 1:16pm:


I'm not sure what you're saying, Rich. Norway produces more GDP per capita than America. In capitalist terms, that's more productive.

Robbing from Peter to pay Paul? Norwegians pay 1.5% more in income taxes than Americans. In terms of wealth redistribution, that's the same as America.

In terms of getting free stuff there's no comparison. Free degrees, free health care. The one thing that economically cripples Americans is college debt and costs for their health care.

Worse, the biggest cause of bankruptcy in America is health care debts. In budget terms, one of the biggest costs is prisons. These things don't benefit an economy, they stiffle it. America pours money down the drain by incarcerating the highest number of people in the world.

And again, America is the largest oil producer - not worth much right now, I'm afraid. Oil prices are at an all-time low.

These are all things Trump campaigned on too - law and order, tougher prison terms, turning the US into an energy superpower - gun rights. Forget everything else, look at the murder rate. Gun deaths cripple an economy too. All you get out of gun rights and high murder rates are higher weapons and ammunition sales.

Two months holidays a year, can you imagine? Longer lives. And Norwegians still produce more per capita than Americans.

Free degrees and health care aren't just free stuff - they create a healthier, smarter workforce. The results are here on display: this is in the interest of capital. Smarter and healthier people are able to create more wealth ten months a year than less well-educated, less healthy people can in twelve months in America. As a capitalist, it's a no-brainer: invest in Norway.

Capitalists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Jeff Bezos have been saying this for years in the US, but for some reason, the message gets lost on the political class - both parties.

By looking towards economic models like Norway's, Bernie Sanders was actually promoting the interests of capital. A smarter, greener, healthier economy is good for capitalism.

The results of a low-wage, heavy manufacturing, high emitting economic model, or Making America Great Again, are now in. The US economy is on life-suppport, and it won't be coming back for years.

This isn't in spite of the virus. All the pandemic has done is shown how capable we are. Countries with skilled industries and labour markets who can work from home, with health care systems that can cope, with good government response systems in place - these economic systems will survive.

Those who don't have these will need to develop them or go under. It's "evolutionary blowtorch" time. Those on the "narrow road to success" have inclusive and cooperative economic models. Industrial and inflexible systems will fall by the wayside.

Norway's model is exactly the blueprint for a smart, inclusive economy. "Noble capitalists" know how to put all their people to use, allow them to feel heard and included, and this makes them happy. Sure, you might get a few cheap number plates out of the US prison system, but in the long run - over lifetimes, over populations - happier people produce more wealth.

Brian's example of Norway shows us exactly what needs to be done. The results are there in black and white.

Karnal thats OK till the oil and gas run out - its a finite resource. Just like Australia will be in trouble, once your resources are gone.

Real wealth and the future depend on manufacturing - making stuff. Australia sold its future when it dropped its import duty and exported its manufacturing.

The left are exploiters, they are the ones who otherwise would be bottom feeders or in or in jail. They are lazy and have no talent and so they steal- legally.

In a healthy nation the manufacturers and entrepreneurs are at the top. The superior man eg Donald Trump!

But you know this. We cant be all talented but we can get out of the way for those that are.

So unfair and RACIST!

I had an uncle - hes dead now but he was my mentor. A brilliant engineer and inventor always working on a new invention. I loved that man - such an open inspiration of ideas. Thats the kind of person we should admire - not the Adam Schiffs or Nancy's of this World.

Why do you think everyone is jealous of the boomers? They got the free education. Thing is if the govts hadnt sold off our assets then there wouldn't be a debt

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