Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16^th, 2020 at 1:44pm:


What is the point you are trying to make spot?
You started this thread so can you at least be honest and clearly state what your point is?

Gnads wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 7:33am:



we certainly do.

letting people pass away very slowly and painfully and with no dignity (and now if you get covid , you get to die alone).

i would never , in a million years, let an animal of mine die in that way

aquascoot wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 5:45am:


The youngest Baby Boomers are 56 years old this year. The eldest Baby Boomers are 74 years old this year. The last 10 years just got away from me. But, I figure that I still have at least another 40 years before I could even consider a nursing home as an option. But I don't want to live in a nursing home.

I don't think I will die of old age. I want to be as useful for as long as I can for as much as I want. And then when I get old to the point that I feel that I have no use, I will probably be euthanised of my own making. Perhaps from an overuse of scotch one night. But, there is plenty of time for me to change my mind.

I am actually looking to have my diabetes cured in the next couple of years. It is not too late for me to reverse the damage. But, no matter how healthy I get in my old age, if I am no use to society, I don't want to be a burden on the pension or the health system.

From what little I know about the aged care (from what I witnessed on my practical), elderly people have a bit of an attitude -- good and bad. They understand that they are in their final years. Some are very mobile for their years. And some of them are lovely. But, then we have those that have an attitude. It gets to be difficult to like the elderly when the workers at nursing homes have to put up with abuse and not be allowed to retaliate. I developed gerontophobia just from one week doing a practical in one nursing home. Unfortunately, that has just pushed my desire to not live to be reliant on other people in my own old age.

This thread is the perfect example of the selfish generation.

We want, but the oldies are nothing to us.

I just wish I could live long enough to see how the selfish generation will go

When they realise that their support of age bashing will come back to bite them.

When they realise that the pension no longer exists

When they realise that their super will be worth back shite.

When the new younger generation see them as worthless and out of date.

Suddenly it will all be clear to the just how much of a ride they have been taken for.

Sadly, I'll be dead by then.

Valkie wrote on May 18^th, 2020 at 5:59am:



I actually think that we are now entering the phase where most elderly people have been raised in the nanny state

If you are around to fight in world war 2 you truly understood the need to be a contributor to your country and not a taker
The welfare state really commenced in the 50s
With the ideas like public housing
Free healthcare in England
Massive expansion of the government as the ever breastfeeding mother figure to a nation of babies

So those people would now be entering their 80s

These are people who have got used to the idea
that the government is responsible to them in some shape or form
From cradle to grave

There is the odd independent man who walks the narrow path to success
But if the overarching principal of Western democracy for everyone who has been raised in the last 80 years
Is that you can always blame the government
and if you have a problem it is the government's responsibility to solve that for you

This has led to the state of perpetual infancy for the vast majority of people who won't do the brutal work of attaining an independent attitude to their life

It's just so much easier to follow the path of least resistance

Thus almost all westerners under the age of 80
Have the following default position

I'm sad
I've got a problem
When I was a a child mumma used to solve my problem for me
Are you my mummy Scott Morrison
Help me Scott help me
I have no resilience
I have no desire to solve problems on my own
I merely lay these problems at your feet
And it is my intention to complain really loudly if you don't solve them for me


That's probably 90% of the population

Their issue is that in old age
There is absolutely nothing the government can do
To reduce their existential suffering

And so they become bitter and resentful about the fact that they are going to die
Which is certainly a problem
It's certainly quite an annoying fact to confront
And they have no path forward to deal with that realisation

Hence they become angry and lash out
That probably would not have been the emotional state of most elderly people 30 years ago
But that is very likely to be the emotional state of most elderly people from now on

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2020 at 6:28am:


Governments should be there to ensure that you have the right to live a creative and free life full of responsibility and contribution with as little interference from government as possible

this would be the attitude that a responsible parent has to a 16 year old child
Get out there into the world
Stand up straight
Go on some adventures
Fail a bunch of times but keep on trying
We will be here for you as a safety net
But we expect so much more from you then that you stay at home
Doing nothing risking nothing creating nothing and contributing nothing

Unfortunately people will always find the above narrative a challenge
And if there is a way to never leave the nest
The majority of people will seek an authority figure
To comfort them to their bosom
For their entire life

One could make the case that the increasing
Nanny state
where people are not expected to live independent lives
And indeed can take very little responsibility for their lives
Is doing people a lot of harm

Because if you are never made to confront your fears
And take responsibility for your own path forward

You are going to hit old age
With the emotional maturity of a young child

And that's not going to make old age very enjoyable for you
You're probably lash out and have tantrums
Become easily upset
Be unable to calm your worries
Be unable to self soothe
You will probably use guilt trips on your children
You may well become passive-aggressive

All the behaviours we expect from a child
but which we expect the child to master as they become an adult

Lose Old People.
You lose 'Culture' for your Youth.