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Sir Spot of Borg
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May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am
 
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?

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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2020 at 9:44am
 
nearly half a mill  thats not bad when you think about it..

it takes some doing getting to that age..
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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2020 at 10:23am
 
The aged pension should be given to 65 year olds after 40 years of work, and a livable pension regardless of your assetts.

If you have worked only 30 Years you get 75%

If you have only worked 20 years you get 50%

If you have worked 10 years or less you get 30%

Immigrants get 30% only after they have contributed for 10 years or more.

If you work and contribute you deserve some reward
If you are a lazy bludgers all your life, you deserve nothing more than you have contributed.

In other words, NUFFINK
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2020 at 10:36am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?

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Tell it to the members of the 'small number'..... easier way to balance it is to slowly bring the waiting period for unemployment benefits up until it's the same as the increase in waiting time for pension age... two years at the moment..

That should balance the budget....
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2020 at 10:46am
 
That is not a small number spot.
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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2020 at 11:21am
 
quote author=freediver link=1589585994/4#4 date=1589590008]That is not a small number spot. [/quote]

15.7%

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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2020 at 12:18pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?



Your post makes no sense
Why quote a figure for 85 year olds as part of an argument involving 65 - 67 year olds?

Using your own link there are currently 3,676,783 people in Australia over the age of 65
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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2020 at 12:21pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:18pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?



Your post makes no sense
Why quote a figure for 85 year olds as part of an argument involving 65 - 67 year olds?

Using your own link there are currently 3,676,783 people in Australia over the age of 65


Yeah 15.7 % - i quoted that bit because it was the over 85s - not as many as you would expect since we are supposed to be "living longer". Living longer than what middle ages?

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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2020 at 1:08pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:21pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:18pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?



Your post makes no sense
Why quote a figure for 85 year olds as part of an argument involving 65 - 67 year olds?

Using your own link there are currently 3,676,783 people in Australia over the age of 65


Yeah 15.7 % - i quoted that bit because it was the over 85s - not as many as you would expect since we are supposed to be "living longer". Living longer than what middle ages?

Spot


How many would you expect?
Increased life expectancy is mostly the result of less people dying as children.

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Overall, when we are comparing between today and the past 200 years, human life expectancy has increased exponentially because of : More children survive during childhood and past the age of 5 thanks to vaccination, better nutrition, safer and cleaner living condition, and advance medical treatments.
https://www.futuresplatform.com/blog/will-we-live-longer-future

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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2020 at 1:44pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 1:08pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:21pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:18pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
Quote:
There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?



Your post makes no sense
Why quote a figure for 85 year olds as part of an argument involving 65 - 67 year olds?

Using your own link there are currently 3,676,783 people in Australia over the age of 65


Yeah 15.7 % - i quoted that bit because it was the over 85s - not as many as you would expect since we are supposed to be "living longer". Living longer than what middle ages?

Spot


How many would you expect?
Increased life expectancy is mostly the result of less people dying as children.

Quote:
Overall, when we are comparing between today and the past 200 years, human life expectancy has increased exponentially because of : More children survive during childhood and past the age of 5 thanks to vaccination, better nutrition, safer and cleaner living condition, and advance medical treatments.
https://www.futuresplatform.com/blog/will-we-live-longer-future



From when?

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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2020 at 3:10pm
 
I say as an old..ish person.

Just kill us in this virus storm time and eat us to the bone.

And then we can come back to haunt you and tell you what a disappointment you are to us.
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Reply #11 - May 17th, 2020 at 12:59am
 
3.7 million Oldies sucking up the Taxpayer's money.
600,000 Unemployed now sucking up the Taxpayer's money.
Population of something like 24 million I think.

How many 'Oldies' over 65 don't need to 'go fund' themselves with a Taxpayer paid Pension?

How many of the Working Sector is 'Working'?

...let's look in the positive here people.  Wink
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Reply #12 - May 17th, 2020 at 1:35am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?

Spot


There is not really a great deal of confidence in the Baby Boomers living on the aged pension. They are going to be among the first to use their superannuation to alleviate the burden on the pension. In 10 years time, we Gen Xers and Gen Ys might be struggling as workers providing a higher tax rate to look after the 70s and 80s years of age people living their retirements. But, I have the feeling that the Baby Boomers might die earlier than their parents. So, it could work out.

Sorry... I did a single week of voluntary/practical work for my aged care course (before I quit) and I found that looking after geriatrics were just not something I want to be doing for a wage.
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Reply #13 - May 17th, 2020 at 5:45am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 17th, 2020 at 1:35am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 9:39am:
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There were 486,847 people over the age of 85 living in the Australia in 2016, with largest age group being 30 to 34 year olds.


https://profile.id.com.au/australia/five-year-age-groups

Seriously? All this fuss and pension age going up over such a small number?

Spot


There is not really a great deal of confidence in the Baby Boomers living on the aged pension. They are going to be among the first to use their superannuation to alleviate the burden on the pension. In 10 years time, we Gen Xers and Gen Ys might be struggling as workers providing a higher tax rate to look after the 70s and 80s years of age people living their retirements. But, I have the feeling that the Baby Boomers might die earlier than their parents. So, it could work out.

Sorry... I did a single week of voluntary/practical work for my aged care course (before I quit) and I found that looking after geriatrics were just not something I want to be doing for a wage.


a couple of facts to consider


the number of people over 80 is expected to quadruple in the next 20 years.

and the most expensive people to look after in the health system are people over 80.

add to that health expenditure rises at 5 to 7 % each year (the fastest growing area of expense).

governments realise they are wedged.

their solution.

reduce public hospital capacity.

qld now has less acute beds then 10 yearsd ago.

the PAH , the biggest in south brisbane was revamped and bed capacity reduced from 100 to 850.

they also have a group of nurse navigators who deal with ANY requests by nursing homes for transfer of elderly patients ot an acute care hospital.

these act as a barrier to admission.

the message.

the system cannot afford to house and offer acute care to the very old and frail and will slowly wind back that option.

you saw this in New York with the mayor sending patients back to nursing homes whilst still covid positive.

old people are very very hard to send back once they are admitted to a public hospital, so my guess is that in 10 to 15 years, they just wont be admitted.

already we have stories of elderly people on stretchers for 48 hours and ramped ambulances from nursing homes for hours.

the politicians arent going to come out and SAY...90 yo olds will now take their chances in the nursing home or at home with hospital "in the home" but that is inevitably what will happen.

if fat steve and janeen get diabetes from their fatness and have a stroke from their bad health, they are in for a very msierable time in a decade or so as the public hospitals will have nothing for them and they will probably get some unqualified carer to visit once a day to change their feces covered bed.

that will be the consequence of not looking after yourself and then of expecting the system to give you the gold standard treatment.

so get out there and get your health sorted.

its on YOU.

and hope you get covid for a nice quick death and you dont linger in a smelly bed at home for 12 months with no care

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Reply #14 - May 17th, 2020 at 7:33am
 
Yeah f#*kem

just throw them out on the ice to die. Roll Eyes

No wonder growing old can become a thing of fear for some

we have more concern for & treat our animals better than we treat our elderly.

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