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Reply #15 - May 11th, 2020 at 2:05pm
 
Wait, how much water was bought and for what function.  As Brian said, they are not going to truck the water back to China.  So, it could be two reasons.
1. They have their privately owned farms that needed to be watered.  In which case, they are allowed to buy their allocation. 
2.  They may be holding it as an investment, like many other international companies are doing.  So offsell in periods of drought. 

This is a problem created by the government who privatized water in the first place.
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Reply #16 - May 11th, 2020 at 6:09pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 2:05pm:
Wait, how much water was bought and for what function.  As Brian said, they are not going to truck the water back to China.  So, it could be two reasons.
1. They have their privately owned farms that needed to be watered.  In which case, they are allowed to buy their allocation. 
2.  They may be holding it as an investment, like many other international companies are doing.  So offsell in periods of drought. 

This is a problem created by the government who privatized water in the first place. 

1. they can buy our water without owning any land.

2. They are buying our water for an investment alright.

Don't our politicians know that the Chinese can afford to buy anything they want and are doing so, they only want the good stuff though.

"China is buying up Australian land, infrastructure and businesses at an alarming rate as it seeks to project power and influence beyond its shores.

The communist nation of 1.4billion people owns an airport in Western Australia, nine million hectares of Australian land, several Aussie coalmines and wind farms and even the Port of Darwin, a key strategic asset.

China is also the largest foreign owner of Australian water

Chinese investors have added another 50,000 hectares to their Australian property portfolio, taking the total area of property under Chinese control to more than 9.1 million hectares amid growing concerns over foreign interference and national security.

China is now the second largest investor in Australian land and is within a million hectares of the top landholder, the United Kingdom, as Canberra moves to tighten controls over foreign investors.

The amount of Australian farm land owned by Chinese interests has surged tenfold in the past year, climbing above 14 million hectares or 2.5 per cent of all agricultural land.

The findings from the Australian Tax Office's Agricultural Land Register, released this week, show the UK and China are the largest owners of foreign-held land in Australia, owning 27 per cent and 25 per cent respectively.

The amount of Australian farm land owned by Chinese interests has surged tenfold in the past year, climbing above 14 million hectares or 2.5 per cent of all agricultural land.

The findings from the Australian Tax Office's Agricultural Land Register, released this week, show the UK and China are the largest owners of foreign-held land in Australia, owning 27 per cent and 25 per cent respectively."

If anyone has been to or seen footage of real estate auctions in Sydney or Melbourne they would see 8 out of 10 attendees are Chinese, they are snapping up everything they can get their hands on.

They can piss off and take their virus with them.
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Reply #17 - May 11th, 2020 at 6:38pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 6:09pm:
1. they can buy our water without owning any land.



So they load up tankers in a port with stuff that floods the Yangtse  valley every few years?
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Reply #18 - May 11th, 2020 at 7:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 10th, 2020 at 11:35pm:
What are they going to do with the water?  Put it in their back pockets and take it home, back to China?  Grow up little man. You're a fool and a troll.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Idiot, once again.

As if they had to take the water to China to take advantage of rules.

Nobody can be as stupid as you pretend to be, Bwian, you are malicious, an enemy of Australia, an agent of foreign commie influences. You are an 'anti-capitalist= idiot' so your toxic, idiotic, mindless agitation is well documented.

Toxic idiot and enemy - that's you, Bwian.


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Reply #19 - May 11th, 2020 at 7:07pm
 
Now you know where all the Water is going.
Some goes to Australian Farmers/Industries...

...most goes to Overseas Owned Farms/Industries.
Afterall - during the Drought Crises (Menindee Lakes, etc), most experts agreed that it was a 'Managerial fault' somewhere in the lines.
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Reply #20 - May 11th, 2020 at 7:29pm
 
Frank wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 7:04pm:
As if they had to take the water to China to take advantage of rules.




If they don't have land where do they put the water?
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Reply #21 - May 11th, 2020 at 7:32pm
 
China makes sure it's business interests in Australia are 'well watered' even during drought.
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Reply #22 - May 11th, 2020 at 7:53pm
 
Their port in Darwin needs water. They buy cheap in Tasmania and fill the harbour.
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Reply #23 - May 11th, 2020 at 7:56pm
 
chimera wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 7:29pm:
Frank wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 7:04pm:
As if they had to take the water to China to take advantage of rules.




If they don't have land where do they put the water?


in giant bladders that they drag across the desert Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #24 - May 11th, 2020 at 8:52pm
 
Frank wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 7:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 10th, 2020 at 11:35pm:
What are they going to do with the water?  Put it in their back pockets and take it home, back to China?  Grow up little man. You're a fool and a troll.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Idiot, once again.

As if they had to take the water to China to take advantage of rules.

Nobody can be as stupid as you pretend to be, Bwian, you are malicious, an enemy of Australia, an agent of foreign commie influences. You are an 'anti-capitalist= idiot' so your toxic, idiotic, mindless agitation is well documented.

Toxic idiot and enemy - that's you, Bwian.



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Anything of value to add to the thread, Soren?  No, it doesn't appears so.  Tsk, Tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - May 11th, 2020 at 9:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 11:50am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 11:12am:
I wouldn't..



I'm calling bullshit. If you listed your place for sale and the agent told you that you had an full price offer from a chinese couple and another offer by someone else that was $20k less, you'd take the highest. You can lie to yourself and say you wouldn't but i don't believe you


Not selling.................
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Reply #26 - May 11th, 2020 at 9:10pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 6:09pm:
tickleandrose wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 2:05pm:
Wait, how much water was bought and for what function.  As Brian said, they are not going to truck the water back to China.  So, it could be two reasons.
1. They have their privately owned farms that needed to be watered.  In which case, they are allowed to buy their allocation. 
2.  They may be holding it as an investment, like many other international companies are doing.  So offsell in periods of drought. 

This is a problem created by the government who privatized water in the first place. 

1. they can buy our water without owning any land.

2. They are buying our water for an investment alright.

Don't our politicians know that the Chinese can afford to buy anything they want and are doing so, they only want the good stuff though.

"China is buying up Australian land, infrastructure and businesses at an alarming rate as it seeks to project power and influence beyond its shores.

The communist nation of 1.4billion people owns an airport in Western Australia, nine million hectares of Australian land, several Aussie coalmines and wind farms and even the Port of Darwin, a key strategic asset.

China is also the largest foreign owner of Australian water

Chinese investors have added another 50,000 hectares to their Australian property portfolio, taking the total area of property under Chinese control to more than 9.1 million hectares amid growing concerns over foreign interference and national security.

China is now the second largest investor in Australian land and is within a million hectares of the top landholder, the United Kingdom, as Canberra moves to tighten controls over foreign investors.

The amount of Australian farm land owned by Chinese interests has surged tenfold in the past year, climbing above 14 million hectares or 2.5 per cent of all agricultural land.

The findings from the Australian Tax Office's Agricultural Land Register, released this week, show the UK and China are the largest owners of foreign-held land in Australia, owning 27 per cent and 25 per cent respectively.

The amount of Australian farm land owned by Chinese interests has surged tenfold in the past year, climbing above 14 million hectares or 2.5 per cent of all agricultural land.

The findings from the Australian Tax Office's Agricultural Land Register, released this week, show the UK and China are the largest owners of foreign-held land in Australia, owning 27 per cent and 25 per cent respectively."

If anyone has been to or seen footage of real estate auctions in Sydney or Melbourne they would see 8 out of 10 attendees are Chinese, they are snapping up everything they can get their hands on.

They can piss off and take their virus with them.


You got it - the issue is control over resources, and thus control over a nation.  National security as opposed to notional security, innit? 

Under the current water trading scheme - that incredible furphy that costs billions to run and benefits the insiders - water is a commodity to be bought and sold on for profit... not to be utilised for the purpose John Smith gave it (sorry - he only thinks he's god) .. that is the whole truth about the 'water trading scheme' that is supposed to somehow generate more efficient use of water...

It does nothing of the kind - it breeds inefficient waste while offering opportunity for profiteering from sale of water 'rights'... no wonder the Indigenous are almost up in arms over the rape of their Inland Nations...
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Reply #27 - May 11th, 2020 at 9:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 8:52pm:
Frank wrote on May 11th, 2020 at 7:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 10th, 2020 at 11:35pm:
What are they going to do with the water?  Put it in their back pockets and take it home, back to China?  Grow up little man. You're a fool and a troll.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Idiot, once again.

As if they had to take the water to China to take advantage of rules.

Nobody can be as stupid as you pretend to be, Bwian, you are malicious, an enemy of Australia, an agent of foreign commie influences. You are an 'anti-capitalist= idiot' so your toxic, idiotic, mindless agitation is well documented.

Toxic idiot and enemy - that's you, Bwian.



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Anything of value to add to the thread, Soren?  No, it doesn't appears so.  Tsk, Tsk.   Roll Eyes


Yes, yes we can certainly see your sense of value adding to a thread. Just go look at your last 25 posts and see what could have been left off the end of them. You are one of the least value adding posters here and one of the most self righteous about it. While I disagree with what many say here, responding like you do makes you look like an ass. You don't seem to be here to try to change others minds, to "enlighten" them, but to pretend superiority when your posts have no value. Walking around the world tsk tsking and rolling your eyes does not make you right, it shows what a self righteous ass you are. You want to know why I never defend you? How can I? You are already the supreme being in your own mind, the epitome of knowledge, you need no defending. Like God you only deserve derision.


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Reply #28 - May 11th, 2020 at 9:16pm
 
Milagro the Bastards - if the water runs past your farm - suck it up!!  The wasters downstream won't miss it anyway.... and it will only run off to the sea or into swamps.
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Reply #29 - May 11th, 2020 at 9:29pm
 
Brian reflexively defends any criticism of the Chinese government.

I think we need to get to the bottom of why that is.
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