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Re: symbols for innovation are not the real thing
Reply #15 - May 7^th, 2020 at 11:59am

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 11:40am:

He is in one of the few business ventures that
innovates and sells custom designed products all over the world.
It is an Australian success story and stands as a beacon
of guiding light to all the property developers,
real estate agents, and other useless lying parasites
who are wrecking our country and have put us into
debt for the next 100 years.

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 11:54am:

Property development and estate agency are the types of jobs we cannot farm out to cheap foreign labour. Car manufacturing is. No matter how advanced we get, you are still going to have an Australian offering you fries with that.

But they will be paid more than foreigners doing the same job.

The type of work that the business I refer to does -
is not something that can be done by cheap foreign labor.
That is a highly skilled engineering job -
the type we need have more investment in -
in Australia -
real jobs - good jobs.

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Reply #17 - May 7^th, 2020 at 12:03pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 11:54am:

Property development and estate agency are the types of jobs we cannot farm out to cheap foreign labour. Car manufacturing is. No matter how advanced we get, you are still going to have an Australian offering you fries with that.

But they will be paid more than foreigners doing the same job.

You could train a monkey to be a real estate agent. The only criteria is that it just needs to tell lies Wink

Honestly if you think that is some sort of valuable skill set then no wonder you have the attitude that you have !

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95495 Melbourne Gender:	Re: symbols for innovation are not the real thing Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2020 at 12:04pm freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 12:02pm: Do you think subsidising Holden and Ford would get us those jobs? There was no point in subsidising a company where there are no strings attached. Holden and Ford needed to be making something different and better than anyone else. Perhaps electric cars?
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Reply #19 - May 7^th, 2020 at 12:07pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 12:02pm:

Do you think subsidising Holden and Ford would get us those jobs?

The real question you need to ask is why Germany has so many of its OWN car manufacturers that make cars and keep the profits in the country instead of sending them over to Detroit at the tax payers expense ? Perhaps it's because the German government and private banking sector does not prioritize non productive real-estate over productive engineering industries like they do here !

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Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2020 at 2:30pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 11:54am:

Property development and estate agency are the types of jobs we cannot farm out to cheap foreign labour. Car manufacturing is. No matter how advanced we get, you are still going to have an Australian offering you fries with that.

But they will be paid more than foreigners doing the same job.

You could train a monkey to be a real estate agent. The only criteria is that it just needs to tell lies Wink

Honestly if you think that is some sort of valuable skill set then no wonder you have the attitude that you have !

My point is that it is a skill that is needed. We cannot outsource burger flipping.

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There was no point in subsidising a company where
there are no strings attached.
Holden and Ford needed to be making something
different and better than anyone else.
Perhaps electric cars?

If you give them enough money, they will make anything you want, and also make it really shiny so you can call it innovation.

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The real question you need to ask is why Germany has so many of its OWN car manufacturers that make cars and keep the profits in the country instead of sending them over to Detroit at the tax payers expense ? Perhaps it's because the German government and private banking sector does not prioritize non productive real-estate over productive engineering industries like they do here !

Are you suggesting the German government subsidises the auto industry?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95495 Melbourne Gender:	Re: symbols for innovation are not the real thing Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2020 at 6:49pm FD Quote: If you give them enough money, they will make anything you want, and also make it really shiny so you can call it innovation. It's called - "running a successful modern business."
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Reply #23 - May 7^th, 2020 at 7:03pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 2:30pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 11:54am:

Property development and estate agency are the types of jobs we cannot farm out to cheap foreign labour. Car manufacturing is. No matter how advanced we get, you are still going to have an Australian offering you fries with that.

But they will be paid more than foreigners doing the same job.

You could train a monkey to be a real estate agent. The only criteria is that it just needs to tell lies Wink

Honestly if you think that is some sort of valuable skill set then no wonder you have the attitude that you have !

My point is that it is a skill that is needed. We cannot outsource burger flipping.

That's if they possessed a skill which they do not ! Real estate agents have nothing to offer at all. Everything they offer can easily be duplicated online via ebay etc No different than auctioning an expensive car online etc. At least we won't have to put up with their photo-shopped images of some old dump made to look like a palace Wink

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Reply #24 - May 7^th, 2020 at 9:34pm

People don't buy houses online. Not even cars.

Do you have a point, or do you just really dislike real estate agents?

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 6:49pm:

FD
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If you give them enough money, they will make anything you want,
and also make it really shiny so you can call it innovation.

It's called - "running a successful modern business."

Just like Ford and Holden did, until we cut off the handouts.

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Reply #25 - May 7^th, 2020 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 6:49pm:

FD
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If you give them enough money, they will make anything you want,
and also make it really shiny so you can call it innovation.

It's called - "running a successful modern business."

Just like Ford and Holden did, until we cut off the handouts.

Holden & Ford Australia couldn't run the business here the way they wanted to -
they were dictated to by Detroit -
and the Govt. put no conditions on the free handouts.

As I said - If they would have been allowed to make the best electric car in the world
at a price below $20k with a 10 year warranty on the
battery they might have achieved world domination.

Detroit didn't want that - they sabotaged the Australian companies.

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Reply #26 - May 7^th, 2020 at 9:56pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

People don't buy houses online. Not even cars.

Do you have a point, or do you just really dislike real estate agents?

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 6:49pm:

FD
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If you give them enough money, they will make anything you want,
and also make it really shiny so you can call it innovation.

It's called - "running a successful modern business."

Just like Ford and Holden did, until we cut off the handouts.

Why do people need to listen to a real estate lying to them and doctored up pictures on their websites ?

Is that because the real estate institute are powerful government lobbyists and stamp out any competition ?

Tell me one person beside yourself that likes real estate agents - one of the most untrustworthy professions next to car salesmen !

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47479 At my desk.	Re: symbols for innovation are not the real thing Reply #27 - May 7^th, 2020 at 9:58pm So Bobby thinks Detroit didn't want to make buckets of money, and Nail has somehow been triggered by the mention of real estate agents. Do either of you have a point?
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Reply #28 - May 7^th, 2020 at 10:08pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2020 at 9:58pm:

So Bobby thinks Detroit didn't want to make buckets of money, and Nail has somehow been triggered by the mention of real estate agents.

Do either of you have a point?

Freediver,
I don't know if you have worked in industry for a multinational company?
I have - they make absolutely terrible decisions
based on jealousy sometimes -
they don't want the Australian side of their business to show
up the incompetence of their main headquarters business.
They prevent Australia from doing research in areas
to come up with their own products for a whole variety of reasons.
In the end their own product ends up too expensive
and no one buys it so they lose business.
I've seen it so many times - it's heart breaking.
We actually have top engineers here and they
are constantly sabotaged by their overseas office.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47479 At my desk.	Re: symbols for innovation are not the real thing Reply #29 - May 7^th, 2020 at 10:11pm We are never going to have a conventional auto industry in Australia. We get paid too much - factory workers, engineers, all of them. It's not sabotage, they just cannot afford the best people, because they are all making a killing doing more lucrative things.
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