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May 1st, 2020 at 7:45pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-30/china-in-antarctica-inspection-regime/10858486?nw=0

"China’s most audaciously located station — at the high point of Antarctica’s vast ice sheet at the heart of Australian Antarctic Territory — has seen 10 summers.

This is a decade marked by incredible expansion of Chinese activity. Yet this station, as well as one another Chinese base within Australia’s claim, have never been inspected.

Many are saying it’s time for a check-up."

We are surrounded, we know they want to be the global naval super power, they are building islands 3.5hrs from us, they control the port of Darwin, they are trying to muscle in on the port of Hobart, through a crazy immigration system its just a sea of Asians now in our cities buying all of our property resources everything, its an invasion from within.

There should be a thorough investigation into not just their sus bat virus.
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Reply #1 - May 1st, 2020 at 9:27pm
 
Gutless Australian Politicians.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2020 at 12:25am
 
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 9:27pm:
Gutless Australian Politicians.


Dirty filthy rotten underhanded self preserving short sighted politically correct mongrels.
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Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2020 at 2:16am
 
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 9:27pm:
Gutless Australian Politicians.



Always said you were right some of the time.... congratulations and thanks for supporting my views...
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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2020 at 2:17am
 
Johnnie wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 12:25am:
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 9:27pm:
Gutless Australian Politicians.


Dirty filthy rotten underhanded self preserving short sighted politically correct mongrels.


So right.... can't challenge one thing you say.
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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2020 at 3:01pm
 
When China discovered Australia's little spying effort, Chinese Hackers came down hard and scuttled a lot of important 'electronic' aspects of ASIO, Australian Politics and other important Computer supported efforts high up.
It was much worse than the Australian Media let on to the Public.
Australia got trounced in that little battle.

Now you know why ASIO 'unofficially' got things moving with a Hackerthon to invite our 'young genius's' and Hackers to get paid working for the 'good guys'. One was highly sought after by the Police for scamming, but being so good - ASIO made contact and he is now putting his 'gift' towards our National Security.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2020 at 3:33pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 12:25am:
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 9:27pm:
Gutless Australian Politicians.


Dirty filthy rotten underhanded self preserving short sighted politically correct mongrels.


My sentiments exactly although I would toss in a hypocritical and note they are all the same.

Some worse than others but basically all the same.

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Reply #7 - May 2nd, 2020 at 3:36pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 12:25am:
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 9:27pm:
Gutless Australian Politicians.


Dirty filthy rotten underhanded self preserving short sighted politically correct mongrels.


My sentiments exactly although I would toss in a hypocritical and note they are all the same.

Some worse than others but basically all the same.



Reckon ol' Don Chipp would be the only one that would keep the bastards honest.
Don Chipp would have loved Trump who is too 'Honest' for the Media's liking. He calls a Spade a Fake Media and tweets 'directly' to the American People via his Tweets.
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Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2020 at 3:45pm
 
It's necessary when 96% of the media is a false and nasty narrative against him.
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Reply #9 - May 2nd, 2020 at 4:01pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 3:45pm:
It's necessary when 96% of the media is a false and nasty narrative against him.


Trolls like Pecca who try to make Trump out as a Troll.
Trump isn't perfect, he's just a Business Man american style trying to offer the power of Presidency something new beyond the colour of his skin. Besides Bush Snr's CIA background, Trump is the only President who brought something worthwhile to the table. Ronny Reagan was just a movie star and dreamed of Star Wars satellites in our skies shooting back down at us.

By Tweeting directly to the People of America. He cuts out the 'sanitising' Big Brother Media and leaves himself vulnerable to the People's opinion of him. He is putting the People of America 'before' that of the Media and that's another reason why the Media RESENTS Trump - because they can't own him, because they didn't 'create' him.
He's the Red Strip in the American Flag - a Mr Hobbit sized man who is doing his bit for his Nation. China respects (because they are just 'little people' too) Trump and fears 'his' America. He's on their Level and can scrap just as good as them. Hence Trump's show of Military Power on Independence Day, much  to the ire of the Media.

If only Frankie Goes to Hollywood did a remake of Two Tribes with  Trump and Jinping impersonators going the State of Origin Biff! That's how good that one would be.
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Reply #10 - May 2nd, 2020 at 8:24pm
 
Yet another complicated territorial situation being 'watered' down by tabloid newspaper for the commoners to consume.  Lets begin...

1. The initial claim on these Antartica territory was by the United Kingdom in 1841, and later on transferred to Australia.   In 1961, the Antarctic treaty came into force through UN.  And article 4 specifically deal with territorial claims.

Article IV

    1. Nothing contained in the present treaty shall be interpreted as:

        (a) a renunciation by any Contracting Party of previously asserted rights of or claims to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica;

        (b) a renunciation or diminution by any Contracting Party of any basis of claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica which it may have whether as a result of its activities or those of its nationals in Antarctica, or otherwise;

        (c) prejudicing the position of any Contracting Party as regards its recognition or non-recognition of any other States right of or claim or basis of claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica.

    2. No acts or activities taking place while the present treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica shall be asserted while the present treaty is in force.

So in a nut shell, the article pretty much said you can claim your land, may be, but you cant prohibit others from claiming land.   As a result, only four countries in the world recognized Australia's claim in Antartica, and these are: New Zealand, United Kingdom, France and Norway.   The rest of the world does not.  So if you have any notion that the Chinese is building on 'our' land, then.. think again. 

Currently there are total of 8 stations in the Australian antarctic territory.  Australia has 3 stations (Mawson, Davis, Casey), Russia has 3 (Mirny, Vostok, progress station), Romania has 1, France/Italy has 1, and China 1 (Zhongshan).  So where is the outrage against Russia and Romania?
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Reply #11 - May 3rd, 2020 at 12:33pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on May 2nd, 2020 at 8:24pm:
Yet another complicated territorial situation being 'watered' down by tabloid newspaper for the commoners to consume.  Lets begin...

1. The initial claim on these Antartica territory was by the United Kingdom in 1841, and later on transferred to Australia.   In 1961, the Antarctic treaty came into force through UN.  And article 4 specifically deal with territorial claims.

Article IV

    1. Nothing contained in the present treaty shall be interpreted as:

        (a) a renunciation by any Contracting Party of previously asserted rights of or claims to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica;

        (b) a renunciation or diminution by any Contracting Party of any basis of claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica which it may have whether as a result of its activities or those of its nationals in Antarctica, or otherwise;

        (c) prejudicing the position of any Contracting Party as regards its recognition or non-recognition of any other States right of or claim or basis of claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica.

    2. No acts or activities taking place while the present treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica shall be asserted while the present treaty is in force.

So in a nut shell, the article pretty much said you can claim your land, may be, but you cant prohibit others from claiming land.   As a result, only four countries in the world recognized Australia's claim in Antartica, and these are: New Zealand, United Kingdom, France and Norway.   The rest of the world does not.  So if you have any notion that the Chinese is building on 'our' land, then.. think again. 

Currently there are total of 8 stations in the Australian antarctic territory.  Australia has 3 stations (Mawson, Davis, Casey), Russia has 3 (Mirny, Vostok, progress station), Romania has 1, France/Italy has 1, and China 1 (Zhongshan).  So where is the outrage against Russia and Romania? 

All true except China doesn't give a rats about any international law or treaty as clearly shown in the South China sea.

By far the Chinese have more presence down there than anyone else, tens of thousands of Chinese tourists every year, massive amounts of krill fishing and building stations smack in the middle of Australia's claimed territory.

"Given Beijing’s track record in moving rapidly on a broad front, as it’s done in the South China Sea, we need to be prepared to respond to a rapid increase in the speed and scale of its actions in Antarctica.

We shouldn’t help China use Antarctic research for resource exploitation, to gather information on advanced technology with clear potential for military purposes, or to act in environmentally harmful ways. Australia should regularly inspect Chinese facilities (and China can inspect ours)."

China is using the old rule which states: Possession is nine tenths of the law!


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Reply #12 - May 3rd, 2020 at 1:17pm
 
What a load of faux outrage.  Have you ever visited Antarctica?  No, I didn't think so.  Few Australians have.  I have.  Twice.   China is welcome to their base in the frozen continent.  They won't be attempting anything other than research.

As for China refusing to obey treaties.  Actually it does.  Even better than Australia.  The South China Sea is an effort to improve their defences against encroaching American forces.   The PRC has long standing, dating back to the days of the Chinese Empire of seeking to control events on it's periphery.  The Korean War was one aspect of that as was the Chinese border dispute with the fUSSR and invasion of Vietnam.  They don't like hostile forces on their borders.

The US Navy is an overly aggressive force.  It used to upset the fUSSR with numerous border incursions.  It still sails it's submarines into Russian waters.  It still carries out similar antics against the PRC.  The PRC has attempted to do something about that by building islands.  Get the US to behave and the PRC will behave.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - May 3rd, 2020 at 1:35pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:33pm:
building stations smack in the middle of Australia's claimed territory.




As all Antarctica is within somebody's territory and a building needs a foundation on land to stay in one piece , then a building has to be on claimed territory, even if it's the best location in the middle.
The middle has views , ice , snow and is handy to the near-middle , so it's the best place obviously.
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Reply #14 - May 3rd, 2020 at 1:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 1:17pm:
What a load of faux outrage.  Have you ever visited Antarctica?  No, I didn't think so.  Few Australians have.  I have.  Twice.   China is welcome to their base in the frozen continent.  They won't be attempting anything other than research.

As for China refusing to obey treaties.  Actually it does.  Even better than Australia.  The South China Sea is an effort to improve their defences against encroaching American forces.   The PRC has long standing, dating back to the days of the Chinese Empire of seeking to control events on it's periphery.  The Korean War was one aspect of that as was the Chinese border dispute with the fUSSR and invasion of Vietnam.  They don't like hostile forces on their borders.

The US Navy is an overly aggressive force.  It used to upset the fUSSR with numerous border incursions.  It still sails it's submarines into Russian waters.  It still carries out similar antics against the PRC.  The PRC has attempted to do something about that by building islands.  Get the US to behave and the PRC will behave.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Good one, so China goes against international laws to teach the US a lesson and your fine with that.

China can POQ out of Antarctica, they are not to be trusted.

Hey, you been everywhere man!
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