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Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Apr 25th, 2020 at 10:52pm
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:10pm
 
I would say zero (0) is a digit. It has to be a number as it’s added onto maths in many ways, makes a huge difference to say $10.00 and adding a zero makes it $100, add another zero and it’s $1000, so it’s definitely a contributing number.

As for odd or even
If added to a odd number like 1, makes it 10, that makes it even.
But it’s not a number added to say 13+ 0 is still 13 ?

Zero is an interesting number.
Does it make all numbers even no matter where it’s added into the end?
I’m answering a question with a question 😉
Sorry I forgot what the question was? 🤭




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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm
 
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:19pm
 
I say I say: Two half nothin's make a whole nuthin' ... that's logic son.

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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:25pm
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm:
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:46pm
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm:
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

Edit: Now I'm gonna google.

A number can be divisible by 0, for instance 5 divided by zero =0.
I think. If I had 5 pies, and divided them by nothing, no one gets a pie, or, someone gets the whole 5 because they didn’t divide by anyone.

I thought more whether zero is odd or even.

It can make any number even, when added at the end.
Eg: 13 (uneven number) add zero makes it an even 130.
But if we add the zero in the middle, eg 103, it remains an uneven number.

So zero can make some uneven numbers even but can also keep uneven numbers uneven.

Ahh ... ummm.... meaning it could be classified as an even number because, possibly of that reason zero can make uneven numbers even.
And....cannot make even numbers uneven.


I do maths and tax always, and worked for ATO.... money and maths I worked with constantly. I like working with numbers.
Also, did music since age 9, and its mathematical, with timing etc.







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Reply #6 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:00am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm:
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

Edit: Now I'm gonna google.

A number can be divisible by 0, for instance 5 divided by zero =0.
I think. If I had 5 pies, and divided them by nothing, no one gets a pie, or, someone gets the whole 5 because they didn’t divide by anyone.

I thought more whether zero is odd or even.

It can make any number even, when added at the end.
Eg: 13 (uneven number) add zero makes it an even 130.
But if we add the zero in the middle, eg 103, it remains an uneven number.

So zero can make some uneven numbers even but can also keep uneven numbers uneven.

Ahh ... ummm.... meaning it could be classified as an even number because, possibly of that reason zero can make uneven numbers even.
And....cannot make even numbers uneven.


I do maths and tax always, and worked for ATO.... money and maths I worked with constantly. I like working with numbers.
Also, did music since age 9, and its mathematical, with timing etc.



Try dividing by 0 though 5/0. I can say anything else though or I may spoil it for others.
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Reply #7 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:06am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:00am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm:
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

Edit: Now I'm gonna google.

A number can be divisible by 0, for instance 5 divided by zero =0.
I think. If I had 5 pies, and divided them by nothing, no one gets a pie, or, someone gets the whole 5 because they didn’t divide by anyone.

I thought more whether zero is odd or even.

It can make any number even, when added at the end.
Eg: 13 (uneven number) add zero makes it an even 130.
But if we add the zero in the middle, eg 103, it remains an uneven number.

So zero can make some uneven numbers even but can also keep uneven numbers uneven.

Ahh ... ummm.... meaning it could be classified as an even number because, possibly of that reason zero can make uneven numbers even.
And....cannot make even numbers uneven.


I do maths and tax always, and worked for ATO.... money and maths I worked with constantly. I like working with numbers.
Also, did music since age 9, and its mathematical, with timing etc.



Try dividing by 0 though 5/0. I can say anything else though or I may spoil it for others.


If you have 5 and divide nothing through, it must still be 5, nothing divided it up.
I’m probably wrong but I still think we have a number of 5 items, not divided, hence still 5 remains together.

But if we multiply 5 by 0, you get 5 big fat nothings. Right?

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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:07am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:06am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:00am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm:
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

Edit: Now I'm gonna google.

A number can be divisible by 0, for instance 5 divided by zero =0.
I think. If I had 5 pies, and divided them by nothing, no one gets a pie, or, someone gets the whole 5 because they didn’t divide by anyone.

I thought more whether zero is odd or even.

It can make any number even, when added at the end.
Eg: 13 (uneven number) add zero makes it an even 130.
But if we add the zero in the middle, eg 103, it remains an uneven number.

So zero can make some uneven numbers even but can also keep uneven numbers uneven.

Ahh ... ummm.... meaning it could be classified as an even number because, possibly of that reason zero can make uneven numbers even.
And....cannot make even numbers uneven.


I do maths and tax always, and worked for ATO.... money and maths I worked with constantly. I like working with numbers.
Also, did music since age 9, and its mathematical, with timing etc.



Try dividing by 0 though 5/0. I can say anything else though or I may spoil it for others.


If you have 5 and divide nothing through, it must still be 5, nothing divided it up.
I’m probably wrong but I still think we have a number of 5 items, not divided, hence still 5 remains together.

But if we multiply 5 by 0, you get 5 big fat nothings. Right?



Try 5/0 on a calculator.
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Reply #9 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:11am
 
Nope not yet.

Answer this, if you have 5 oranges, and want to divide it up, but choose not to x zero, you keep 5 oranges together. Intact.

Making it, zero in not divisible into any number.

That’s what you said 👍

I keep the oranges yay!
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Reply #10 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:14am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:11am:
Nope not yet.

Answer this, if you have 5 oranges, and want to divide it up, but choose not to x zero, you keep 5 oranges together. Intact.



I can make sense of that, can you explain it better?
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Reply #11 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:15am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2020 at 11:18pm:
Well it's neither odd nor even. An even number is divisible by 2 an odd is divisible only by 1 and it's self, you cannot divide by 0. It's a special number that lacks any value.

Edit: Now I'm gonna google.

A number can be divisible by 0, for instance 5 divided by zero =0.
I think. If I had 5 pies, and divided them by nothing, no one gets a pie, or, someone gets the whole 5 because they didn’t divide by anyone.

I thought more whether zero is odd or even.

It can make any number even, when added at the end.
Eg: 13 (uneven number) add zero makes it an even 130.
But if we add the zero in the middle, eg 103, it remains an uneven number.

So zero can make some uneven numbers even but can also keep uneven numbers uneven.

Ahh ... ummm.... meaning it could be classified as an even number because, possibly of that reason zero can make uneven numbers even.
And....cannot make even numbers uneven.


I do maths and tax always, and worked for ATO.... money and maths I worked with constantly. I like working with numbers.
Also, did music since age 9, and its mathematical, with timing etc.




Division by zero is undefined.

Zero is an even number.
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Reply #12 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:17am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:14am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:11am:
Nope not yet.

Answer this, if you have 5 oranges, and want to divide it up, but choose not to x zero, you keep 5 oranges together. Intact.



I can make sense of that, can you explain it better?

I just edited/added to my post above yours.
Came to a conclusion.

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Reply #13 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:20am
 
My calculator tells me 5 divided by zero = error 🤔
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Reply #14 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:30am
 
If a couple is divorced, and have a house, say it’s worth $600K
Divided by 2 they get $300K
Divided by one means only one persons gets $600K
Divided by nothing, neither get anything, but the house still stands.
Or,  the bank gets the house!




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Reply #15 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:34am
 
I was taught it is even because it is divsable by 2.

2 x 0=0

The best explanation i ever got as to why 2 instead of 1 (my teacher was useless and infuriating, a future mathematician boyfriend was more helpful) is pure convention. Parity is determined by groups of 2. Otherwise, it would be significant that any number divided by 0 is also 0.

It's just about pairs.


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Reply #16 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:44am
 
The reason I came to the conclusion it was not even was although I know it can be divided by 2(0/2), unlike any other even numbers you cannot divide 2 by 0. eg: 2/10, 2/6 or 2 over any other even number works but 2/0 breaks. But it seems being divisible by 2 is all that is required.
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Reply #17 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:46am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:44am:
The reason I came to the conclusion it was not even was although I know it can be divided by 2(0/2), unlike any other even numbers you cannot divide 2 by 0. eg: 2/10, 2/6 or 2 over any other even number works but 2/0 breaks. But it seems being divisible by 2 is all that is required.


Yeah. That's pretty much as it was summed up to me. My head exploded until i was told it was mere convention.

But i;ve more a philosopher's mind than a mathematicians. Zero means something else when viewed through that prism.
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Reply #18 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:50am
 
The whole thing is a throbbing reason as to why maths does my head in.

My former boyfriend tried in vain to coax me into seeing the creativity and logic ... i kept tripping over all of the damn rules, which to my mind are often a thin veneer to claim there is logic.
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Reply #19 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am
 
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra. If there is a god and he has a language, it'd be maths.

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Reply #20 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:58am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am:
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra.


I really don't like maths but i'm good at the basics. I can do simple sums very quickly in my head but f*ck algebra. F*ck it hard.

Had a bit of an eye for geometry but only up to the level i did. I dropped maths as soon as i possibly could.
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Reply #21 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:08am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:58am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am:
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra.


I really don't like maths but i'm good at the basics. I can do simple sums very quickly in my head but f*ck algebra. F*ck it hard.

Had a bit of an eye for geometry but only up to the level i did. I dropped maths as soon as i possibly could.


When we had an exam for our trade maths at Carlisle Tafe I was the only one to get 100% and the only one that didn't use a calculator, which was allowed. I was accused of cheating, I have no idea how I could have cheated though. Still got the 100% on the cert though so they must have realised there really wasn't any way to cheat unless I had the exam papers before the exam and was allowed to bring in a book the answers could have been written in. Still it sucks getting accused.
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Reply #22 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:13am
 
Yeah i've been accused of cheating before. I didn't do year 10 but was accepted into year 11 providing i sat the end of year exams for year 10. I don;t think they expected me to pass, just wanted me to evidence that i could apply myself. I topped the class in 3 subjects (maths was not one) , primarily because i had recently crammed and i'm really good at tests.

I was accused of cheating then. Had to sit another exam for history. Aced it so they had to accept it.
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Reply #23 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 2:43am
 
Even of course - it stands between two odds - 1 and -1 ....   Huh
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Reply #24 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 2:47am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:08am:
mothra wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:58am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am:
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra.


I really don't like maths but i'm good at the basics. I can do simple sums very quickly in my head but f*ck algebra. F*ck it hard.

Had a bit of an eye for geometry but only up to the level i did. I dropped maths as soon as i possibly could.


When we had an exam for our trade maths at Carlisle Tafe I was the only one to get 100% and the only one that didn't use a calculator, which was allowed. I was accused of cheating, I have no idea how I could have cheated though. Still got the 100% on the cert though so they must have realised there really wasn't any way to cheat unless I had the exam papers before the exam and was allowed to bring in a book the answers could have been written in. Still it sucks getting accused.


Ha - ha  - first chemistry test at tertiary level I got 100% ...... no study - just knew it all... I regularly ace (100%) many various quizzes... still waiting on Hot Seat ..... been on the list for every quiz show on TV.. never got the invite... must mean something - they're scared.
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Reply #25 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 2:49am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:58am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am:
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra.


I really don't like maths but i'm good at the basics. I can do simple sums very quickly in my head but f*ck algebra. F*ck it hard.

Had a bit of an eye for geometry but only up to the level i did. I dropped maths as soon as i possibly could.


I hate pretentious maths - no need for it... what I have a need for I am tops at.  What use do I have in the real world for that kind of thing?  To be a maths teacher?  I can work most such things out using my brains... so unless I want to spend my days as a bored out of the skull teacher of irrelevancies ....   Cool
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Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 2:50am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:44am:
The reason I came to the conclusion it was not even was although I know it can be divided by 2(0/2), unlike any other even numbers you cannot divide 2 by 0. eg: 2/10, 2/6 or 2 over any other even number works but 2/0 breaks. But it seems being divisible by 2 is all that is required.



2/0 = infinity..... you surely know that...
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Reply #27 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:40am
 
Zero is a figure given for a number with no numerical value.
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its gotta be even

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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 7:08am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:08am:
mothra wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:58am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am:
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra.


I really don't like maths but i'm good at the basics. I can do simple sums very quickly in my head but f*ck algebra. F*ck it hard.

Had a bit of an eye for geometry but only up to the level i did. I dropped maths as soon as i possibly could.


When we had an exam for our trade maths at Carlisle Tafe I was the only one to get 100% and the only one that didn't use a calculator, which was allowed.



I did a trade at Carlisle Tafe   Undecided

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Reply #30 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:13am
 
"Is infinity even and odd at the same time?

For a real number x<−1, what is the result of lim n→∞
x ^n ?
"∞" is the solution, but that's only the case if n is an even number. For an odd number it would be "−∞". But here n goes against "∞". The infinite fluctuates."

So infinite can have an odd or even root.  As zero can have odd or even roots of -1>n<1 then zero fluctuates odd to even.

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Reply #31 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:16am
 
I'll guess even.

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Reply #32 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:22am
 
Apparently even mathematicans are divided as to whether zero is odd or even. But its good to see we have some fine minds here on Ozpol. And dont ask me, math is not my strong suite. Just thought id put the thread up after coming across the question on an internet site.
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rhino wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:22am:
Apparently even mathematicans are divided as to whether zero is odd or even.



Oh? Do you have a link that explains the reasoning as to how zero can be an odd number?
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Yes. But dont let that stop you.
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rhino wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:34am:
Yes. But dont let that stop you.


I was wanting to see if you could translate what you've learned. Seems not.
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rhino wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:22am:
Apparently even mathematicans are divided as to whether zero is odd or even. But its good to see we have some fine minds here on Ozpol. And dont ask me, math is not my strong suite. Just thought id put the thread up after coming across the question on an internet site.

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rhino wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:22am:
Apparently even mathematicans are divided as to whether zero is odd or even. But its good to see we have some fine minds here on Ozpol. And dont ask me, math is not my strong suite. Just thought id put the thread up after coming across the question on an internet site.



So you don;t know whether or not mathematicians are divided? Is there like, one guy, who keeps crying out "an odd" or not?

You made the claim.

And you asked us all to show out working.

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Reply #38 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:50am
 
In 35 years of engineering and statistical analysis.

I have never considered 0 as anything.

You cannot factor zero into any calculation simply because it is zero, nothing, not applicable.

The confusion some people have is that they see 0 in whole numbers, 10, 20 30 100 etc.
The 0 is not the number, the prefix identifies the number and the zeros after that number are simply multiples of 10.
Therefore the zero after the prefix can be considered a factor of 10 times that number, but in itself not a number.

Consider this.
You have $1,000,000.00.

Now take away the 1 in front of the $1,000,000.00
What is it worth now?.

Zero is not a number.
It is neither positive nor negative
It is neither odd nor even
It is simply a multiplier used for numbering conventions.

The Romans didn't use zero
I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X

Etc etc.
There are no zeros and it works fine.
It's simply a numbering convention for simplicity sake.



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Zero is an even number. In other words, its parity—the quality of an integer being even or odd—is even. This can be easily verified based on the definition of "even": it is an integer multiple of 2, specifically 0 × 2. As a result, zero shares all the properties that characterize even numbers: for example, 0 is neighbored on both sides by odd numbers, any decimal integer has the same parity as its last digit—so, since 10 is even 0 will be even, and if y is even then y + x has the same parity as x—and x and 0 + x always have the same parity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_zero

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:57am:
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Zero is an even number. In other words, its parity—the quality of an integer being even or odd—is even. This can be easily verified based on the definition of "even": it is an integer multiple of 2, specifically 0 × 2. As a result, zero shares all the properties that characterize even numbers: for example, 0 is neighbored on both sides by odd numbers, any decimal integer has the same parity as its last digit—so, since 10 is even 0 will be even, and if y is even then y + x has the same parity as x—and x and 0 + x always have the same parity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_zero

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That quote falls into the same mistake as those who consider zero as a number.
It's a multiplier, not a number.

Without the 1 in front, 10 is non existent.

Proof

You can have the usual base 10 number system
You can have base 2, 3, 4, 5 etc number system

But you cannot have base 0 number system, because any number to the base 0 is in fact 0

Simples.
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Reply #41 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:16am
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:11am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:57am:
Quote:
Zero is an even number. In other words, its parity—the quality of an integer being even or odd—is even. This can be easily verified based on the definition of "even": it is an integer multiple of 2, specifically 0 × 2. As a result, zero shares all the properties that characterize even numbers: for example, 0 is neighbored on both sides by odd numbers, any decimal integer has the same parity as its last digit—so, since 10 is even 0 will be even, and if y is even then y + x has the same parity as x—and x and 0 + x always have the same parity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_zero

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That quote falls into the same mistake as those who consider zero as a number.
It's a multiplier, not a number.

Without the 1 in front, 10 is non existent.

Proof

You can have the usual base 10 number system
You can have base 2, 3, 4, 5 etc number system

But you cannot have base 0 number system, because any number to the base 0 is in fact 0

Simples.


Yup. Because we all know you know more than Wikipedia.

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F Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:16am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:11am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:57am:
Quote:
Zero is an even number. In other words, its parity—the quality of an integer being even or odd—is even. This can be easily verified based on the definition of "even": it is an integer multiple of 2, specifically 0 × 2. As a result, zero shares all the properties that characterize even numbers: for example, 0 is neighbored on both sides by odd numbers, any decimal integer has the same parity as its last digit—so, since 10 is even 0 will be even, and if y is even then y + x has the same parity as x—and x and 0 + x always have the same parity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_zero

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That quote falls into the same mistake as those who consider zero as a number.
It's a multiplier, not a number.

Without the 1 in front, 10 is non existent.

Proof

You can have the usual base 10 number system
You can have base 2, 3, 4, 5 etc number system

But you cannot have base 0 number system, because any number to the base 0 is in fact 0

Simples.


Yup. Because we all know you know more than Wikipedia.

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When did this get so personal?

Wikipedia is a collection of information which is often less than perfect.

And what I have stated is simply MY PERSONAL opinion.
In 35 years of engineering and statistical analyses, zero is not a factor and never factored into calculations.

It may not be the expert opinion, hell, even experts debate this very matter continually.
And all of them are imesurably more intellegent than you, I and probably 99% of Wikipedia contributors.

I have argued "practical " computations vs "theoretical" in the past with other forum members.
Based on my experience and practical knowledge.
For example
Theoretically, a gas can be compressed indefinitely from gas to liquid to solid to singularity.
But in the real world, and for all practical applications, gas can only be compressed to the liquid state.
To go further is both impractical and superfluous.

Zero, as a number, does not exist, it has no function other than as a multiplier in a base 10 numbering convention.

Perhaps more theoretical applications, this is different, but that is for far more intellegent minds than mine to debate.
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Reply #43 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:51am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:16am:
, and if y is even then y + x has the same parity as x—and x and 0 + x always have the same parity.


But if y is odd, then y+x has the opposite parity as x . Then x and 0+x can be same and opposite parity. If opposite then zero is odd.
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Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:40am:
F Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:16am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 9:11am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:57am:
Quote:
Zero is an even number. In other words, its parity—the quality of an integer being even or odd—is even. This can be easily verified based on the definition of "even": it is an integer multiple of 2, specifically 0 × 2. As a result, zero shares all the properties that characterize even numbers: for example, 0 is neighbored on both sides by odd numbers, any decimal integer has the same parity as its last digit—so, since 10 is even 0 will be even, and if y is even then y + x has the same parity as x—and x and 0 + x always have the same parity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_zero

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That quote falls into the same mistake as those who consider zero as a number.
It's a multiplier, not a number.

Without the 1 in front, 10 is non existent.

Proof

You can have the usual base 10 number system
You can have base 2, 3, 4, 5 etc number system

But you cannot have base 0 number system, because any number to the base 0 is in fact 0

Simples.


Yup. Because we all know you know more than Wikipedia.

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When did this get so personal?

Wikipedia is a collection of information which is often less than perfect.

And what I have stated is simply MY PERSONAL opinion.
In 35 years of engineering and statistical analyses, zero is not a factor and never factored into calculations.

It may not be the expert opinion, hell, even experts debate this very matter continually.
And all of them are imesurably more intellegent than you, I and probably 99% of Wikipedia contributors.

I have argued "practical " computations vs "theoretical" in the past with other forum members.
Based on my experience and practical knowledge.
For example
Theoretically, a gas can be compressed indefinitely from gas to liquid to solid to singularity.
But in the real world, and for all practical applications, gas can only be compressed to the liquid state.
To go further is both impractical and superfluous.

Zero, as a number, does not exist, it has no function other than as a multiplier in a base 10 numbering convention.

Perhaps more theoretical applications, this is different, but that is for far more intellegent minds than mine to debate.


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Reply #45 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 10:27am
 
Buddhists meditate on everything being nothing. Some people pay to attend a monastery to learn about nothing. One went to Woolworths and found nothing for $1.
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Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 8:50am:
Zero is not a number.


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Zero is the odd man out, that's for sure - it's invention altered mathematical thinking - it's too long ago for me to remember the details.

Valkie - as an engineer, you would be factoring in things that do not exist = 0 - e.g. in determining whether a site can hold a bridge or not, if it contains no clay it is likely more stable...  Just a thought.
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Zero became more important when computer programming was invented

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1+

0

-1



...the Positive One and Negative One both sum up the Odd/Even difference via overlay. The Nought is the crux of the matter that somehow still manages to 'attach' itself to other numbers down the lines either into Positive or Negative.

This is where the Atom splits...

-1    <<   <  0  >   >>    1+



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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 11:27am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 11:25am:
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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 11:27am:
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Zero is the odd man out, that's for sure -





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A zero a null and a blank are all different things when dealing with datasets.

I kinda like each one.

Does that make me odd?  Cheesy

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Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 11:49am:
A zero a null and a blank are all different things when dealing with datasets.

I kinda like each one.

Does that make me odd?  Cheesy


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Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 11:49am:
A zero a null and a blank are all different things when dealing with datasets.

I kinda like each one.

Does that make me odd?  Cheesy



I wouldn't say that's what makes you odd   Wink 
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Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:08am:
mothra wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:58am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 12:56am:
I like Maths, was always good at it and it always made sense to me but in this case I should not have thought any further than division by 2 leaving a whole integer. Oh well, it's been a long long time since I was at school. I loved algebra.


I really don't like maths but i'm good at the basics. I can do simple sums very quickly in my head but f*ck algebra. F*ck it hard.

Had a bit of an eye for geometry but only up to the level i did. I dropped maths as soon as i possibly could.


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Infinite is always odd.
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Going by the symbol of Infinity then (the Nought and the Zero joined as 'one' in the binary of 'two') - it all 'evens' out.
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Seems the sports betting group choose Zero as even.

It is important to remember that in odd even betting, 0 is considered to be an even number. Matches finishing 1-0, 3-2, or 5-3 are all examples of odd scorelines while matches ending 0-0, 2-2, or 4-0 are all examples of even scorelines.Apr 13, 2020
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Seems the sports betting group choose Zero as even.

It is important to remember that in odd even betting, 0 is considered to be an even number. Matches finishing 1-0, 3-2, or 5-3 are all examples of odd scorelines while matches ending 0-0, 2-2, or 4-0 are all examples of even scorelines.Apr 13, 2020


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If anyone thinks zero has no oomph, just add 6 of them after $1 and I’ll take it! Six zeros added is life changing 👍

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Nought is a ping-pong ball between the Paddles of Odds & Evens.
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Going by the symbol of Infinity then (the Nought and the Zero joined as 'one' in the binary of 'two') - it all 'evens' out.


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If anyone thinks zero has no oomph, just add 6 of them after $1 and I’ll take it! Six zeros added is life changing 👍





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Zero is the odd man out, that's for sure - it's invention altered mathematical thinking - it's too long ago for me to remember the details.

Valkie - as an engineer, you would be factoring in things that do not exist = 0 - e.g. in determining whether a site can hold a bridge or not, if it contains no clay it is likely more stable...  Just a thought.


Not quite.
You would calculate the percentages of the elements that ARE present, not those NOT present.

Otherwise you woukd be calculating the amounts of , oh say, boron, ash, gold, sulphur etc.

I do not work in civil engineering, so it's a little out of my field.
But in metallurgy we only look at material content and if something is missing, it's missing, not zero.

This interesting thread could go on indefinitely
There are several thoughts and theory on zero.
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.
And the only value there is in zero is as a multiplier, for purely simplicity sake.


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Reply #69 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:10pm
 
To the person who invented zero - thanks for nothing mate

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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #70 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:11pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:10pm:
To the person who invented zero - thanks for nothing mate

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Reply #71 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:10pm:
To the person who invented zero - thanks for nothing mate

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Reply #72 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
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Reply #73 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:22pm
 
There are a couple of ways to find a sum in maths, long and short calculations.
And a couple different ways with division calculations, yet getting the same answer.

When my son was at secondary college, we were helping him with maths homework. There was a long division to be done.

My hubby and I went in to do it, hubby did it completely different to me.

I queried his method, and he queried mine.
My son started to laugh as we were debating which was correct, even though the same figures were reached.

Then it dawned on me, I went to high school and he went to tech school, both of us had different ways to get the mathematical result.

I was surprised. Thought there was a basic common way for maths.

Maths is very surprising.

Later at college, with more intricate maths studies, my son asked me if all that related to our lives in general.

I said, basically just additions, subtractions, multiplications, divisions, and percentages!
And sometimes that simple necessary maths can be eluded or over ridden by too much emphasis on stuff other than that.

The percentages one was obscured for my son, so I showed him how its done (using real life examples, SALE: 20% off store wide) using different amounts in ticket prices and how to calculate, he told his friend, who was amazed, and my son says the teacher didn’t make it that fun or easy to understand.




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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #74 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:23pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Chimera has a valid claim here Valkie.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #75 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:27pm
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:23pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Chimera has a valid claim here Valkie.


And we are all hoping to soon see results as  0  for Covid-19 so restrictions are eased.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #76 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:28pm
 
Everything comes full circle.
What the Jews did to Jesus.
Hitler did to the Jews.

From Zero to Nought 
   -       0    +     0       =     0

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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #77 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.

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Reply #78 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 4:21pm
 
"It has no value".

Days with 0 accidents may reduce accident insurance costs for a business .
Graph of trading debt below 0 gets bank loan.
No blood alcohol , no trip in paddy wagon.

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Reply #79 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 4:36pm
 
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Reply #80 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:03pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 4:36pm:
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Reply #81 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:05pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



If zero is nothing, then something started from nothing.

Not.... nothing started from something.
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Reply #82 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:41pm
 
Decided to change, a little.....see if many notice  🤗
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Reply #83 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:57pm
 
At birth Valkie was age 0. The volume was about 10.
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Reply #84 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 6:08pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.


Not quite. A number can be raised to the power of zero. 2^0 = 1
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #85 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 7:15pm
 
How many zeros are there in infinite?  If there's a 1 after infinite , is that the only real number in it?
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #86 - Apr 26th, 2020 at 7:33pm
 
Zero follows the rules of even numbers.

Divisible by 2 with no remainder
Two odd or two even numbers always sum to an even number. -5 + 5 = 0
Any number raised to an even power will be positive. -2^2 = 4, -2^3 = -8, -2^0 = 1
It is a real number and even but is neither positive nor negative.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #87 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:26am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:41pm:
Decided to change, a little.....see if many notice  🤗

I've noticed. Like your hair too.
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Reply #88 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:45am
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:26am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 5:41pm:
Decided to change, a little.....see if many notice  🤗

I've noticed. Like your hair too.

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A change is good as a ... ummm.... isolation holiday 😆
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Reply #89 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:47am
 
Saying “nothing” means zero right?

So when someone says they started off with nothing, suggests zero is a starting point?

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Reply #90 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:22am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:47am:
Saying “nothing” means zero right?

So when someone says they started off with nothing, suggests zero is a starting point?


Not always. Depends on the reference. For instance, a temperature of Absolute Zero is -273.1459 deg C.

0 deg C is not a temperature of nothing. It is 1 deg C higher than -1 deg C
0 degrees is top dead centre on a rotating machine. It isn't a position of nothing.

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Reply #91 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:26am
 
Nought/Zero always makes things go full circle.
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Reply #92 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:30am
 
crocodile wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:22am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:47am:
Saying “nothing” means zero right?

So when someone says they started off with nothing, suggests zero is a starting point?


Not always. Depends on the refence. For instance, a temperature of Absolute Zero is -273.1459 deg C.

0 deg C is not a temperature of nothing. It is 1 deg C higher than -1 deg C
0 degrees is top dead centre on a rotating machine. It isn't a position of nothing.


The application and meaning of zero seems flexible depending on the life situation.
It is neither nor.
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Reply #93 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:34am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:30am:
crocodile wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:22am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:47am:
Saying “nothing” means zero right?

So when someone says they started off with nothing, suggests zero is a starting point?


Not always. Depends on the refence. For instance, a temperature of Absolute Zero is -273.1459 deg C.

0 deg C is not a temperature of nothing. It is 1 deg C higher than -1 deg C
0 degrees is top dead centre on a rotating machine. It isn't a position of nothing.


The application and meaning of zero seems flexible depending on the life situation.
It is neither nor.


No, Zero is a number, Nothing is a description.

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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #94 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 12:04pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 4:36pm:
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Reply #95 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 12:10pm
 
"He was the last Zero fighter pilot that we know of from the Darwin raid," said military historian Tom Lewis, who interviewed Harada in Japan last year.

There were 36 zeros in Darwin , or 10x 10 ^ 35 a huge number.
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Reply #96 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 12:24pm
 
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chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 4:36pm:
Apollo ready for lift-off to Moon.
10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1...um..it's um.. what do you say..dunno
This is Houston. Sorry about this.  Our experts can't get past ignition. Could you have a cup of tea or something..da da da


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Reply #97 - Apr 28th, 2020 at 7:22pm
 
Zero is even.

Even and odd are words for the remainder when an integer is divided by two. Any integer that has a remainder of zero when divided by two is even. It is really not a hard concept to understand.

The mathematical silliness on display in this thread leaves me wondering how these clowns finished school.
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Reply #98 - Apr 28th, 2020 at 7:26pm
 
crocodile wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:22am:
Sophia wrote on Apr 27th, 2020 at 10:47am:
Saying “nothing” means zero right?

So when someone says they started off with nothing, suggests zero is a starting point?


Not always. Depends on the reference. For instance, a temperature of Absolute Zero is -273.1459 deg C.

0 deg C is not a temperature of nothing. It is 1 deg C higher than -1 deg C
0 degrees is top dead centre on a rotating machine. It isn't a position of nothing.


The croc has something right in a sea of wrongness.

The equator isn't nothing, neither is the prime meridian, neither is the first point of Aries. All of them are zeroes in coordinate systems, none of them are nothing.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #99 - May 1st, 2020 at 2:35am
 
I can't be arsed right now to go thru the whole thread (7 pages), but has anyone pointed out the origin of the concept of zero?
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Reply #100 - May 1st, 2020 at 5:54am
 
Back to the OP.

Is zero a number?

The continual references to zero as a position as in TDC
Or zero as and end point as in countdown,
Are totally irrelevant.

These examples are simply an easy way to denote a location
It could just as easily be done with an X or an A and still function exactly the same.

But as a stand alone number, as the OP poses.
It is not

On either side of an even number, is an odd number
On either side of an odd number, is an even number.
An even number can always be divided by 2

However, on either side of 0 is an odd number,
Yet 0 cannot be divided by 2 or for that matter multiplied, added or subtracted.

It fits none of the constraints of any number.

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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #101 - May 1st, 2020 at 7:43am
 
Valkie wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:54am:
Back to the OP.

Is zero a number?

The continual references to zero as a position as in TDC
Or zero as and end point as in countdown,
Are totally irrelevant.

These examples are simply an easy way to denote a location
It could just as easily be done with an X or an A and still function exactly the same.

But as a stand alone number, as the OP poses.
It is not

On either side of an even number, is an odd number
On either side of an odd number, is an even number.
An even number can always be divided by 2

However, on either side of 0 is an odd number,
Yet 0 cannot be divided by 2 or for that matter multiplied, added or subtracted.

It fits none of the constraints of any number.


Rubbish. A number can be raised to a power of zero. 2^0 = 1.

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Reply #102 - May 1st, 2020 at 10:30am
 
Zero was crucial for Capt Cook at the end of 1769. With no zero the next day he was lost in the uncharted Pacific ocean with no time available and unable to reach Australia in 1770.
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Reply #103 - May 1st, 2020 at 12:21pm
 
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Reply #104 - May 1st, 2020 at 2:09pm
 
By convention , Jesus Christ was born in year 1 AD which was his year.  There was no year zero and year 1 BC ended before that could start, becoming 1.  However Jesus knew maths and said to forgive 70 times 7.  We all miss 1 year in human records because theologians had no faith in the power of 0 but only worried about angels dancing on the head of a pin .

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Reply #105 - May 1st, 2020 at 2:25pm
 
This probably doesn't help but I will throw it in the mix.

0 and 1 is the binary language in the Technical term. A set of 0 and 1 is known as binary code which represents text, instructions, or any other data. For example (01000001) this code represents the letter A. Computer only understand the language in 0s and 1s.
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Reply #106 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 6:19am
 
Zero is an even number. Here's a good Numberfile video on it:

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Reply #107 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 6:33am
 
Even numbers are numbers which, if you divide  them by 2, you get an integer - a whole number.

Zero divided by two is zero - an integer.

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Reply #108 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 6:34am
 
Valkie wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 5:54am:
Back to the OP.

Is zero a number?

The continual references to zero as a position as in TDC
Or zero as and end point as in countdown,
Are totally irrelevant.

These examples are simply an easy way to denote a location
It could just as easily be done with an X or an A and still function exactly the same.

But as a stand alone number, as the OP poses.
It is not

On either side of an even number, is an odd number
On either side of an odd number, is an even number.
An even number can always be divided by 2

However, on either side of 0 is an odd number,
Yet 0 cannot be divided by 2 or for that matter multiplied, added or subtracted.

It fits none of the constraints of any number.



Zero  CAN be divided by two - the answer is zero.

Zero is therefore an even number.
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It's not whole , it's empty. It's unattainable except by Buddhists which is odd.
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Reply #110 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.
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But with 1, 2, 3, 4, etc - you get something.
With 0, you get nothing.
Take 0 on the Roulette Table.
If it lands on 0, then everyone and gets nothing and the table claims it as a washout.

0 is a Clayton's number. A number you have when you don't have a number.

Only an American numerical system would consider 0 as odd or even because they are still stuck in the primitive 'Imperial' system with only a 'few' other nations use these days. Probably explains their crap Economical situations and how their 'super-power', like China's - is on 'borrowed' time and in super-debt.

But then again, things have been going wrong for America ever since they threw their Holy Grail (Union Jack) off their Flag and away. For some reason, they are jealous of Australia because we keep the 'British' on on our Flag.
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Reply #112 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:18am
 
chimera wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:00am:
It's not whole , it's empty. It's unattainable except by Buddhists which is odd.


A whole number is a number that can be written without a fractional component.

That's any number with no decimal point, that's not a fraction,  and not anything that's written like √2.

So 1 is a whole number. So is 2976. So is 1,345,932. So is 0. So is -1. So is -2976. So is -1,345,932.

Zero is a whole number.

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A whole lot of nothing.  Cheesy
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Reply #114 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:21am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:17am:
But with 1, 2, 3, 4, etc - you get something.
With 0, you get nothing.
Take 0 on the Roulette Table.
If it lands on 0, then everyone and gets nothing and the table claims it as a washout.

0 is a Clayton's number. A number you have when you don't have a number.

Only an American numerical system would consider 0 as odd or even because they are still stuck in the primitive 'Imperial' system with only a 'few' other nations use these days. Probably explains their crap Economical situations and how their 'super-power', like China's - is on 'borrowed' time and in super-debt.

But then again, things have been going wrong for America ever since they threw their Holy Grail (Union Jack) off their Flag and away. For some reason, they are jealous of Australia because we keep the 'British' on on our Flag.


What's primitive about the Imperial system? It's superior to the Metric system. And what does that have to do with zero?

Zero is a whole number and an even number. If you have proven otherwise, maybe you should tell mathematicians that, because mathematicians believe it to be a whole number and an even number.

It displays all the properties of an even number.
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Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:19am:
A whole lot of nothing.  Cheesy


Zero in mathematics doesn't necessarily have to mean nothing.

The zero in the number 205 does not mean nothing.
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Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:21am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:17am:
But with 1, 2, 3, 4, etc - you get something.
With 0, you get nothing.
Take 0 on the Roulette Table.
If it lands on 0, then everyone and gets nothing and the table claims it as a washout.

0 is a Clayton's number. A number you have when you don't have a number.

Only an American numerical system would consider 0 as odd or even because they are still stuck in the primitive 'Imperial' system with only a 'few' other nations use these days. Probably explains their crap Economical situations and how their 'super-power', like China's - is on 'borrowed' time and in super-debt.

But then again, things have been going wrong for America ever since they threw their Holy Grail (Union Jack) off their Flag and away. For some reason, they are jealous of Australia because we keep the 'British' on on our Flag.


What's primitive about the Imperial system? It's superior tonthd Metric system. And what does that have to do with zero?

Zero is a whole number and an even number. If you have proven otherwise, maybe you should tell mathematicians that, because mathematicians believe it to be a whole number and an even number.

It displays all the properties of an even number.


What's primitive to the Imperial system? A lot. It's all 'wonkey' like a monkey trying to walk upright. It's like a dead branch on the tree of Mathmatics.
Everything is 'odd' about Imperial, unlike Metric.
95% of the world's nations use Metric and for good reason.
Imperial is like a shopping trolley with two wonkey wheels wanting to go in different directions except straight ahead.

This is why Australia has to fund USA's NASA programs and the United Nations. This is why Australia is one of the wealthiest nations on the planet per population ratio. This is why we (and NZ) could 'afford' to go into total Lock Down and 'cleanse' the Virus from our country. We even fund the United Nations - which only a 'few' nations do.

Not bad for a bunch of bread stealing Convicts eh? Wink
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Reply #117 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:28am
 
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:25am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:19am:
A whole lot of nothing.  Cheesy


Zero in mathematics doesn't necessarily have to mean nothing.

The zero in the number 205 does not mean nothing.

Zero is like Cement. You only count the bricks when you build  a wall.
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Reply #118 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:29am
 
It has fractions , infinite and is ephemeral like your super. It can be hacked , taxed and scammed.  It gets you nowhere fast.
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Reply #119 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:01am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:28am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:25am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:19am:
A whole lot of nothing.  Cheesy


Zero in mathematics doesn't necessarily have to mean nothing.

The zero in the number 205 does not mean nothing.

Zero is like Cement. You only count the bricks when you build  a wall.


It's similar with the other digits.

The 2 in the number 8269 does not mean 2. It means 200.

The 0 in the number 805 does not mean nothing. It's there to differentiate that number from 85.

So zero doesn't necessarily mean nothing.

But even on its own, when it means nothing, it is still a whole number and an even number.

The Ancient Geeks believed that 1 is neither fully odd not fully even.

By the way, there are twice as many even numbers as there are odd numbers.
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In the book (and movie) Less Than Zero by Brett Easton-Ellis.
Zero is basically 'nothing' and less than is 'dead'.
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Reply #121 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:11am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:28am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:21am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:17am:
But with 1, 2, 3, 4, etc - you get something.
With 0, you get nothing.
Take 0 on the Roulette Table.
If it lands on 0, then everyone and gets nothing and the table claims it as a washout.

0 is a Clayton's number. A number you have when you don't have a number.

Only an American numerical system would consider 0 as odd or even because they are still stuck in the primitive 'Imperial' system with only a 'few' other nations use these days. Probably explains their crap Economical situations and how their 'super-power', like China's - is on 'borrowed' time and in super-debt.

But then again, things have been going wrong for America ever since they threw their Holy Grail (Union Jack) off their Flag and away. For some reason, they are jealous of Australia because we keep the 'British' on on our Flag.


What's primitive about the Imperial system? It's superior tonthd Metric system. And what does that have to do with zero?

Zero is a whole number and an even number. If you have proven otherwise, maybe you should tell mathematicians that, because mathematicians believe it to be a whole number and an even number.

It displays all the properties of an even number.


What's primitive to the Imperial system? A lot. It's all 'wonkey' like a monkey trying to walk upright. It's like a dead branch on the tree of Mathmatics.
Everything is 'odd' about Imperial, unlike Metric.
95% of the world's nations use Metric and for good reason.
Imperial is like a shopping trolley with two wonkey wheels wanting to go in different directions except straight ahead.

This is why Australia has to fund USA's NASA programs and the United Nations. This is why Australia is one of the wealthiest nations on the planet per population ratio. This is why we (and NZ) could 'afford' to go into total Lock Down and 'cleanse' the Virus from our country. We even fund the United Nations - which only a 'few' nations do.

Not bad for a bunch of bread stealing Convicts eh? Wink


Rubbish.

Imperial uses numbers like 12 (12 inches is 1 foot) and 16 (16 ounces in 1 pound).

Whereas the terrible Metric system uses base 10 (10 ,100 ,100).

And one reason why Imperial is better is because its measures can be divided in more ways.

For example, 12 can be divided into 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 12. Whereas the Metric 10 can only be divided into 1, 2, 5 and 10.

Not only that, but Imperial measures are basically the measures mankind has used throughout its entire history. They are measures based on everyday observances - a foot is about the length of an adult foot.

That's much better and easier to understand than a metre, which is defined as defined as the length of the path travelled by monochromatic light in a vacuum in
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299 792 458 of a second.

Imperial is way better than Metric.
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Reply #122 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am
 
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.
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Imperial better than Metric.
That's why only 5% of nations use it and like the USA, their Economies are 4th World.  Roll Eyes
Imperial is very inefficient and it shows.
Funny how the USA 'dollar' reflects Metric, compared to the Pound.
It's easier to comprehend a Metre's length, than a Metre and a bit, like a Yard.
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Reply #124 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:21am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:17am:
But with 1, 2, 3, 4, etc - you get something.
With 0, you get nothing.
Take 0 on the Roulette Table.
If it lands on 0, then everyone and gets nothing and the table claims it as a washout.

0 is a Clayton's number. A number you have when you don't have a number.

Only an American numerical system would consider 0 as odd or even because they are still stuck in the primitive 'Imperial' system with only a 'few' other nations use these days. Probably explains their crap Economical situations and how their 'super-power', like China's - is on 'borrowed' time and in super-debt.

But then again, things have been going wrong for America ever since they threw their Holy Grail (Union Jack) off their Flag and away. For some reason, they are jealous of Australia because we keep the 'British' on on our Flag.


Zero isn't always nothing. For instance 2^2 = 4 and 2^1 = 2 and 2^0 = 1
0 deg C is not a temperature of nothing. It is 1 deg more than -1
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Reply #125 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:22am
 
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.


Type 4÷0 into your calculator and see what the answer is.

Come back in a few moments and let me know.
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Came up with the word 'error'  Grin
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Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:22am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.


Type 4÷0 into your calculator and see what the answer is.

Come back in a few moments and let me know.


As expected, says math error. Quite logical really. how does one divide something zero times. Come back to us when you've dusted off your old textbooks.

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It takes Australia (Percival) to save Britain (King Arthur) and show him his Holy Grail, that he lost because of America (Lancelot) who poked his pooch and bombed out.
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Is    -2     an odd or even number ?

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Is    -2     an odd or even number ?

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Germany has moved ahead as European after losing its Political/Military/Religious empowerment. Soon France will lose it's too, then Italy.
All three will grow and become powerful under more 'European' aspects.
While Britain will remain, poor and weak - carrying the Cross of Politics/Military/Religion (just like North America) through Europe to the Middle-East... where it belongs.
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crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:39am:
Yadda wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:38am:


Is    -2     an odd or even number ?

Tongue







even




Correct answer, err, i believe.             Wink



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England's flag is [+] from a low starting point. Rome said "look to your own defences" when Britain was divided , even with nothing.
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Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:20am:
Grin Grin
Imperial better than Metric.
That's why only 5% of nations use it and like the USA, their Economies are 4th World.  Roll Eyes
Imperial is very inefficient and it shows.
Funny how the USA 'dollar' reflects Metric, compared to the Pound.
It's easier to comprehend a Metre's length, than a Metre and a bit, like a Yard.

Metric:
One millimetre of rain falling on one square metre yields one litre of water.

Imperial:
One foot of rain falling on one acre yields a number of gallons that is an infinite decimal with four different values depending on whether the acre is an international acre or a US survey acre, and whether the gallon is a British gallon or US gallon.
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Bam wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 12:56pm:
Jasin wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:20am:
Grin Grin
Imperial better than Metric.
That's why only 5% of nations use it and like the USA, their Economies are 4th World.  Roll Eyes
Imperial is very inefficient and it shows.
Funny how the USA 'dollar' reflects Metric, compared to the Pound.
It's easier to comprehend a Metre's length, than a Metre and a bit, like a Yard.

Metric:
One millimetre of rain falling on one square metre yields one litre of water.

Imperial:
One foot of rain falling on one acre yields a number of gallons that is an infinite decimal with four different values depending on whether the acre is an international acre or a US survey acre, and whether the gallon is a British gallon or US gallon.


Yes, 1 US gallon is 3.8 L, an imperial one 4.5 L. We measure our dam sizes logically in Litres KL, ML and GL. The US uses the ridiculous measurement of Acre - feet. Fukkin' brilliant system.
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US has liters and meters and less rain than UK litres and metres. It rains cats and dogs. Zero is the only reliable constant.
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crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:31am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:22am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.


Type 4÷0 into your calculator and see what the answer is.

Come back in a few moments and let me know.


As expected, says math error. Quite logical really. how does one divide something zero times. Come back to us when you've dusted off your old textbooks.



The Riemann sphere, in some circumstances, allows for the division of zero.  Cool
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Is zero an odd or even number or not a number

Ask Bobby, he is good with numbers!

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Zero is an infinite of nothing , the infinitely small combined into multiple absences and solidly unvariable. Everything can be deconstructed into it : the meaning of life ; knowledge and infinite.
It's all there.
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Reply #140 - Jun 2nd, 2020 at 10:39pm
 
Nom de Plume wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 2:29pm:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:31am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:22am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.


Type 4÷0 into your calculator and see what the answer is.

Come back in a few moments and let me know.


As expected, says math error. Quite logical really. how does one divide something zero times. Come back to us when you've dusted off your old textbooks.



The Riemann sphere, in some circumstances, allows for the division of zero.  Cool


Only for analytical convenience. Riemann simply extended the complex plane with the addition of the term infinity. In this case, division by zero still yields an indeterminate number but an expression that simply behaves. Riemann himself acknowledges this by the simple observation that infinity plus any other number is still infinity. 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 ……. n/0 are all equal to infinity.
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Reply #141 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 4:59am
 
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 1:01pm:
[quote author=bam68 link=1587819153/134#134 date=1591066566][quote author=JaSin link=1587819153/123#123 date=1591050002] Grin Grin
Imperial better than Metric.
That's why only 5% of nations use it and like the USA, their Economies are 4th World.  Roll Eyes
Imperial is very inefficient and it shows.
Funny how the USA 'dollar' reflects Metric, compared to the Pound.
It's easier to comprehend a Metre's length, than a Metre and a bit, like a Yard.


A metre is SMALLER than a yard, you idiot.

And YOU may find it easier to comprehend a metre than a yard, but the opposite is true if you're British (like me) or American.

Quote:
Imperial:
One foot of rain falling on one acre yields a number of gallons that is an infinite decimal with four different values depending on whether the acre is an international acre or a US survey acre, and whether the gallon is a British gallon or US gallon.


When I go into a pub, I ask for a pint of beer, not 568 millilitres of beer.

Quote:
Yes, 1 US gallon is 3.8 L, an imperial one 4.5 L. We measure our dam sizes logically in Litres KL, ML and GL. The US uses the ridiculous measurement of Acre - feet. Fukkin' brilliant system.


Why are acre and feet ridiculous?
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #142 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 5:58am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 2:39pm:
Is zero an odd or even number or not a number

Ask Bobby, he is good with numbers!

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I answered it on the first page:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1587819153/0

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Division by zero is undefined.

Zero is an even number.




- there was no need for it to go to 10 pages.
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Reply #143 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 8:30am
 
Cofgod wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 4:59am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 1:01pm:
[quote author=bam68 link=1587819153/134#134 date=1591066566][quote author=JaSin link=1587819153/123#123 date=1591050002] Grin Grin
Imperial better than Metric.
That's why only 5% of nations use it and like the USA, their Economies are 4th World.  Roll Eyes
Imperial is very inefficient and it shows.
Funny how the USA 'dollar' reflects Metric, compared to the Pound.
It's easier to comprehend a Metre's length, than a Metre and a bit, like a Yard.


A metre is SMALLER than a yard, you idiot.

You're a fukkin' tosser. A metre is longer than a yard by 3.37 inches. Now, go back to school.


And YOU may find it easier to comprehend a metre than a yard, but the opposite is true if you're British (like me) or American.

It's not just comprehension. Changing between units in a metric system involves the simplicity of shifting a decimal point. An imperial system requires manipulation with a plethora of constants. More difficult when area and volume require conversion. That requires the use square and cube roots. It's a quite a bit simpler to just shift a decimal point than fukk around with squares, cubes and roots.


Quote:
Imperial:
One foot of rain falling on one acre yields a number of gallons that is an infinite decimal with four different values depending on whether the acre is an international acre or a US survey acre, and whether the gallon is a British gallon or US gallon.


When I go into a pub, I ask for a pint of beer, not 568 millilitres of beer.

Don't try it in SA. You'll end up with 285 ml. I don't ask for 0.425 L either. I ask for a schooner.


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Yes, 1 US gallon is 3.8 L, an imperial one 4.5 L. We measure our dam sizes logically in Litres KL, ML and GL. The US uses the ridiculous measurement of Acre - feet. Fukkin' brilliant system.


Why are acre and feet ridiculous?

Conversion between units. Pipe sizes and flow rates.  Flow rate will normally be calculated in ft^3 / sec. Such an operation requires one to convert acres into square feet first. Metric simply requires a decimal point shift.

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Reply #144 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 8:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 5:58am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 2:39pm:
Is zero an odd or even number or not a number

Ask Bobby, he is good with numbers!

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I answered it on the first page:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1587819153/0

Quote:
Division by zero is undefined.

Zero is an even number.




- there was no need for it to go to 10 pages.


Everything around here needs 10 pages or more. Genius'
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Reply #145 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:10am
 
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 10:39pm:
Nom de Plume wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 2:29pm:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:31am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:22am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.


Type 4÷0 into your calculator and see what the answer is.

Come back in a few moments and let me know.


As expected, says math error. Quite logical really. how does one divide something zero times. Come back to us when you've dusted off your old textbooks.



The Riemann sphere, in some circumstances, allows for the division of zero.  Cool


Only for analytical convenience. Riemann simply extended the complex plane with the addition of the term infinity. In this case, division by zero still yields an indeterminate number but an expression that simply behaves. Riemann himself acknowledges this by the simple observation that infinity plus any other number is still infinity. 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 ……. n/0 are all equal to infinity.



That was an excellent answer... I don't know much about your forum presence, so excuse me whilst I inform myself via your post history. I look forward to engaging discussion in the future.  Smiley
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Reply #146 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am
 
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.
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Reply #147 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:29am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.



Zero is a number -
if you don't have any apples.
How many do you have?

zero.
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Reply #148 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:33am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:29am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.



Zero is a number -
if you don't have any apples.
How many do you have?

zero.

That's a defaulted question.
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Reply #149 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:41am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:33am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:29am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.



Zero is a number -
if you don't have any apples.
How many do you have?

zero.

That's a defaulted question.




Dear JaSin -
after having studied maths I can assure you that zero is a very important number

forgiven

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Reply #150 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:41am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:33am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:29am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.



Zero is a number -
if you don't have any apples.
How many do you have?

zero.

That's a defaulted question.




Dear JaSin -
after having studied maths I can assure you that zero is a very important number

forgiven

namaste

He's just taking the piss. nobody could be so dumb. A temperature of zero deg C is not a temperature of nothing. A number can be raised to a power of zero as 2^0 = 1 and since Riemann gets a mention, 1/infinity = 0

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Reply #151 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:21pm
 
Nom de Plume wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:10am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 10:39pm:
Nom de Plume wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 2:29pm:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:31am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:22am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 8:16am:
Cofgod wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 7:07am:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 3:39pm:
chimera wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
But , again from my personal experience and opinion, you cannot have anything that is zero.


Days with accidents this month : 0
x and y on graph are normally set at 0
Blood alcohol reading : 0


Exactly.
They start at zero, nothing, a point of beginning.

Zero is zero, nothing.
It has no value, simply because it dies not exist.
You can't divide, multiply or add zero.

It's not a number is a multiplier for convenience.



That's weird, because I was taught at school that 4+0=4, 4x0=0, 4-0=4 and 4÷0=0.

To say you can't multiply, add, subtract or divide 0 is silly. Children are taught that you can.

Glad I didn't go to your school. 4÷0 is undefined.


Type 4÷0 into your calculator and see what the answer is.

Come back in a few moments and let me know.


As expected, says math error. Quite logical really. how does one divide something zero times. Come back to us when you've dusted off your old textbooks.



The Riemann sphere, in some circumstances, allows for the division of zero.  Cool


Only for analytical convenience. Riemann simply extended the complex plane with the addition of the term infinity. In this case, division by zero still yields an indeterminate number but an expression that simply behaves. Riemann himself acknowledges this by the simple observation that infinity plus any other number is still infinity. 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 ……. n/0 are all equal to infinity.



That was an excellent answer... I don't know much about your forum presence, so excuse me whilst I inform myself via your post history. I look forward to engaging discussion in the future.  Smiley


I'm just a truth seeker without political allegiance and general pain in the arse.
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Reply #152 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 1:24pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard.

Rubbish. A yard is 0.9144 metres. Therefore, the metre is bigger. This is primary school stuff. How could you get this wrong?
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Reply #153 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 1:27pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:21pm:
I'm just a truth seeker without political allegiance and general pain in the arse.

But correct more often than most people here.
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Reply #154 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 1:35pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:17pm:
A temperature of zero deg C is not a temperature of nothing.

Temperatures are not a meaningful topic in a discussion of pure mathematics. Of course, this is a point that you understand well.

It's many of the others who are clueless here.
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Reply #155 - Jun 3rd, 2020 at 1:41pm
 
[quote author=crocodile link=1587819153/140#140 date=1591101575 In this case, division by zero still yields an indeterminate number but an expression that simply behaves.
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That is poor behaviour , to be indeterminate. If infinite can be added to then it's dodging the logic , short-changing the student and generally off target.  Zero . Your proven and reliable well-behaved integer.
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Reply #156 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 8:53am
 
Bam wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 1:35pm:
crocodile wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 12:17pm:
A temperature of zero deg C is not a temperature of nothing.

Temperatures are not a meaningful topic in a discussion of pure mathematics. Of course, this is a point that you understand well.

It's many of the others who are clueless here.

In the purest sense perhaps not. Fortunately, without application, pure mathematics is merely just interesting. The application to real world problems is where the real power is. Many pure mathematical terms are reliant on axioms and definitions. The acceptance of zero being a real number is one of many and the assignment to the applied problem of temperature or any other physical property makes it logical.

Way beyond the scope of this rather long thread but consider another definition that looks implausible but is nonetheless true. 0! = 1 looks like bullshit at first glance that the factorial of zero is 1 but is true and has been defined that way. Without that definition, Euler's identity loses one of it's fundamental proofs by Taylor's theorem.

Already touched on without comment is the situation where a number raised to a power of zero equals 1 as in 2^0 = 1 so how does a number raised to a power of nothing end up being equal to 1. The idea that zero isn't a real number is simply absurd.
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Reply #157 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 9:02am
 
chimera wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 1:41pm:
crocodile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2020 at 10:39pm:
In this case, division by zero still yields an indeterminate number but an expression that simply behaves.

That is poor behaviour , to be indeterminate. If infinite can be added to then it's dodging the logic , short-changing the student and generally off target.  Zero . Your proven and reliable well-behaved integer.

It isn't really poor behaviour. If that were the case we could argue that Newton's and Leibniz's development of differentials by the use of limits is also poor behaviour. Tending towards zero but never quite getting there is not much different to tending towards infinity without actually getting there. Infinity is merely the reciprocal of zero. Riemann's dilemma was dealing with the situation that it is both + and - infinity at the same time. The use of his spherical model got around that little problem.
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0 is like dark matter in the universe.
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Reply #160 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 10:44am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 9:15am:
0 is like dark matter in the universe.

Some dark matter was expunged from my arse this morning. It wasn't nothing.
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Reply #161 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 10:51am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:29am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.



Zero is a number -
if you don't have any apples.
How many do you have?

zero.


You can't 'have' zero apples. It goes, then, that zero must have a value.
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Tending towards zero but never quite getting there is not much different to tending towards infinity without actually getting there. Riemann's dilemma was dealing .


Chimera's Dilemma (2020) is fully developed in his 2nd Different Limit without getting there.  Zero is fixed , you don't add and still have zero unless it's an investment house price-drop.  Infinite that can be calculable is unacceptable in any rational discussion and gets you nowhere.
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As I have done dressmaking a lot in the past, during the imperial and metric change, I know the difference with buying material via what was a yard, then a metre.
When you work with any material requiring measurements, one knows the difference fast!
One yard is 36 inches.
One metre is 39.37 inches
Therefore I used to keep  in mind rounded up, that a metre is roughly 4 inches bigger than a yard. So it would help with transitioning to metric with required fabric amount needed.

So-sew class of 2020, this seamstress is clarifying that a metre is bigger than a yard.👍🤗





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chimera wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 11:48am:
crocodile wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 9:02am:
Tending towards zero but never quite getting there is not much different to tending towards infinity without actually getting there. Riemann's dilemma was dealing .


Chimera's Dilemma (2020) is fully developed in his 2nd Different Limit without getting there.  Zero is fixed , you don't add and still have zero unless it's an investment house price-drop.  Infinite that can be calculable is unacceptable in any rational discussion and gets you nowhere.

Zero is not reached when dealing with infinitesimals.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 10:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:29am:
Jasin wrote on Jun 3rd, 2020 at 11:25am:
Um. A member just called me an idiot because I did highlight the fact that a metre is smaller than a yard. The rest of what he went on about went to the waste bin.

0 is nothing unless 'attached' to a number and when that happens, it ceases to be 0 (Zero) anymore. One is not 'plussed' to Zero like 1+0 = 10 (ten). It's just an 'attachment'. It's not really a number at all.



Zero is a number -
if you don't have any apples.
How many do you have?

zero.


You can't 'have' zero apples. It goes, then, that zero must have a value.



You can have zero apples -
when you don't have any.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #168 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 2:35pm
 
Zero is equal to Infinity.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #169 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 2:38pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 12:12pm:
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Zero is not reached when dealing with infinitesimals.

Newton was badly behaved and Liebnitz had no scruples . You can both tend to and reach zero and also tend to but not reach infinite or infinitesmals. This ambivalence is not good behaviour at all but what can you expect?
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Reply #170 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 2:45pm
 
In the Space of all Numbers, there is quite a gap between -1 and 1+

-8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1   1+ 2+ 3+ 4+ 5+ 6+ 7+ 8+

As you can see. There is nothing 'there'. Zero, Nought, Nothing. There is no 'number' there.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #171 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 3:56pm
 
The moon is a circle when it's full and nothing when it's not.
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Reply #172 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 11:17am
 
Infinite can be 0 or 1 according to rules on calculating it.  So it can be odd or even or both odd and even. And if that's a reflection on zero then it's not on.
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Reply #173 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 12:01pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
The moon is a circle when it's full and nothing when it's not.

Only on a visual level. People with a good eye can make out it's Black Hole like shadow drifting across an outback sky.
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Re: Is zero an odd or even number or not a number
Reply #174 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 12:16pm
 
Then zero 0 must be a black hole and so infinite must be a circle . Space time is curved back to where you begin but how do you know whether it's zero , a hole or a never ending curve?
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