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Re: Australia is winning
Reply #75 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:42pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

The Beijing propaganda machine is already attempting to avoid blame for the Chinese Virus, aided by its useful fools in the western media......https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/10/blaming-china-coronavirus-...

Yes...

As ridiculous as blaming all Germans for National Socialism or all Russians for Stalinism.

The Chinese people are the first victims of the CCP...

It precedes, lets be kind and say, Tedros Adhanom's 'clumsy' attempt to ape CCP propaganda by diverting racism, he claims to have received from Taiwan, to an attack on all 'all Africans'.

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Reply #76 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:44pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

uncleaned air coms jas I think we have realised that Roll Eyes

what about dust dont forget we have had some bad dust storms this year as well....then the smoke all clogging factors.....

the smoke was very heavy here in act.. and no southerlies to clear it away..

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Reply #77 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:45pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

I know that in bio hazard research areas they have
full showers which wash down a whole person wearing PPE -
using virus killing chemicals in the water -
many times when going from the active area with
live virus to the outside world.

The person works in a completely sealed space suit
with its own air supply and many
layers of protection.

Just a mask & face shield plus gloves doesn't work -
the virus ends up covering all the PPE.
When the PPE is taken off in hospital the worker
infects themself by coming into contact with all the virus particles sitting on that PPE.

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Reply #78 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:47pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:15pm:

Sophia wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

Most of those new infections are caught person to person transmission in hospitals by inpatients and health workers.
Where is a list of where these infections are occurring???

What worries me is how do hospital workers:
doctors & nurses especially -
get Covid-19 when they wear expensive PPE?

in the right environment, the virus can survive on some surfaces for 4 or 5 days, even longer if the climate is right. It can survive in the air for several hours.

they wear PPE only when dealing with patients, not when they're on their own in their offices, with other staff or during their breaks.

It means the virus is insidious -
hiding everywhere just waiting to kill its next victim.
Not even expensive PPE can stop it.

hence the lock downs Roll Eyes

And makes it understandable with the paranoia of people aiming their discomfort when they see nurses in public places still wearing their scubs.

In a less abusive manner, what needs to have been done is take note or photo, and write to hospitals to ask to make it mandatory for medical hospital staff to change out of those scubs for their own protection as well as public. Particularly whilst in this unprecedented time of strict measures.

Ambulance drivers need to take extra precautions too as they are in and out of emergency wards.

So my next concern is..... since the flattening of the curve has happened at same time school/Easter holidays began, will there be a possibility that it may change and infections rise, once all school children go back to school?
That worries a lot of parents.

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Reply #79 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:47pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

The Beijing propaganda machine is already attempting to avoid blame for the Chinese Virus, aided by its useful fools in the western media......https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/10/blaming-china-coronavirus-...

Yes...

As ridiculous as blaming all Germans for National Socialism or all Russians for Stalinism.

The Chinese people are the first victims of the CCP...

It precedes, lets be kind and say, Tedros Adhanom's 'clumsy' attempt to ape CCP propaganda by diverting racism, he claims to have received from Taiwan, to an attack on all 'all Africans'.

still cant deny the fact is China has reinstalled the WET MARKETS where this thing very likely started its mutation..... did they improve the sanitation did they make rules on not eating wildlife??? did they instigate wearing gloves when processing meat or fish...\

very bloody unlikely.

abd its the

WHO

you should be blaming not the media..

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Reply #80 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:47pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

JaSin is correct - apologise to him.

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Reply #81 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

JaSin is correct - apologise to him.

Nope. he;s wrong on just about every point. Including him ever working in a hospital.

Just utter shite.

Any virus can be transmitted through air conditioning? In a hospital? Are you serious?

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Reply #82 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:45pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

I know that in bio hazard research areas they have
full showers which wash down a whole person wearing PPE -
using virus killing chemicals in the water -
many times when going from the active area with
live virus to the outside world.

The person works in a completely sealed space suit
with its own air supply and many
layers of protection.

Just a mask & face shield plus gloves doesn't work -
the virus ends up covering all the PPE.
When the PPE is taken off in hospital the worker
infects themself by coming into contact with all the virus particles sitting on that PPE.

it looks really difficult to go about your usual tasks in a spacesuit bobby.....these guys are doing such delicate work.....and they should be praised for their dedication

did you read today where its blood clots filling the lungs that is killing people....as they smashed the clots more were appearing.....eventually one reaches the heart....

anything to do with breathing eventually affects the heart..

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Reply #83 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:53pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

JaSin is correct - apologise to him.

Nope. he;s wrong on just about every point. Including him ever working in a hospital.

Just utter shite.

Any virus can be transmitted through air conditioning? In a hospital? Are you serious?

Yes - he's serious - now apologise.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Australia is winning Reply #84 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:57pm Most air conditioning systems did recirculate air and they could spread airborne bacteria and viruses "but typically don't to the extent that people think they do". https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120317598/coronavirus-can-ai...
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Reply #85 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:57pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

and he always insists on doing the long winded version Grin

You both have probably forgotten how Legionaires got around in many 'Buildings'.
Not my fault I've worked so many jobs and industries as I have moved home.
Must be my Hunter Gatherer Nomadic lifestyle. Grin

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Reply #86 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 1:01pm

cods wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:47pm:

still cant deny the fact is China has reinstalled the WET MARKETS where this thing very likely started its mutation..... did they improve the sanitation did they make rules on not eating wildlife??? did they instigate wearing gloves when processing meat or fish...\

very bloody unlikely.

The issue of cultural mores has to be put into perspective... No culture is capable of overnight change... Culture is what people have been doing (and passing down from generation to generation) for hundreds if not thousands of years...

A good example of one who tried was Mao with his 'cultural revolution'... Or Stalin 'modernising' the USSR with his elimination of landowners to turn the USSR into a workers' paradise.... And how did they work out?

But its not just the Chinese and Russian cultures that are persistent within their peoples' respective milieu... What if we were told that on Wednesday 1 July 2020, the drinking of alcohol, sugary drinks and the eating of burgers would be banned?

Notwithstanding that the over-consumption of alcohol, sugar and fast food, like burgers, is the leading cause of diabetes in Australia...

Look how long it has taken to ratchet down smoking in Australia.

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Reply #87 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 1:02pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

and he always insists on doing the long winded version Grin

You both have probably forgotten how Legionaires got around in many 'Buildings'.
Not my fault I've worked so many jobs and industries as I have moved home.
Must be my Hunter Gatherer Nomadic lifestyle. Grin

Legionnaires isn't a virus.

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Reply #88 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 1:05pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

No, he is exactly right. Viruses are easily transmitted by air conditioning systems. Hospitals do have closed circuit systems in some areas that prevent the spread of infections however these are limited.

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Reply #89 - Apr 12^th, 2020 at 1:07pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 1:05pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Having worked in Respiratory wards.
Any 'Virus' can be transmitted via AIR-CONDITIONING systems from one part of the hospital to another.
So I may have full sterilised PPE attending a sick Covid-19 case. Then still get the Virus from my tea room on floor 2 a few hours later in my usual uniform.

Outdoor Hospitals (Tented) have always been the best form of Hospitalisations for Respiratory - down through the ages.
Air Conditioning beyond a tube down your throat is not good - unless you can CONTAIN that Ward entirely with its own self-sufficient oxygen and air supply.

You seriously just talk absolute shite.

No, he is exactly right. Viruses are easily transmitted by air conditioning systems. Hospitals do have closed circuit systems in some areas that prevent the spread of infections however these are limited.

Nope. He's talking poo. Viruses do not transmit through hospital air conditioning units. Period.

Not to mention, he said "any virus". Amusingly.

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