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Reply #150 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:32pm
 
0ktema wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:04pm:
Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 8:00pm:
60 minutes was a real fear-mongering effort tonight.
Basically 'Economy' is more important than people's lives and an expert suggests that the 'Economic' problems if things stay locked down, will be worse than millions dying from the Virus.

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Yep. It's the Kryptonian way to say "Economics" is important, when their world is about to
end.


Didn't watch the show, however in my opinion ...

The financial and economic system is largely a Shell Game.

Why not bring in Prof Steve Keen and let him slay all the neocon dinosaurs once and for all.

Economic reform is long overdue!




So true. the Virus has given us the opportunity to get our Economic priorities right.
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Reply #151 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:33pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:25pm:
Hi JaSun,
I think few want the 'shut-down' stopped entirely.

Yes, we are doing very very well. Much better than expected.
The maturity of Australians, directness of the Govt public announcements and acceptance of a pandemic has ALL helped.

In the main, we have reacted very well indeed.
This is really a credit to the average Australian

Yes!
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Reply #152 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:35pm
 
For a Nation of Convicts, this Solitary Confinement sorts the Australians out from the frauds.
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Reply #153 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:36pm
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:33pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:25pm:
Hi JaSun,
I think few want the 'shut-down' stopped entirely.

Yes, we are doing very very well. Much better than expected.
The maturity of Australians, directness of the Govt public announcements and acceptance of a pandemic has ALL helped.

In the main, we have reacted very well indeed.
This is really a credit to the average Australian

Yes!


yes, had we done whatever we wanted to...... we could be the same as Europe or the UK.

We could have 100's dead every day.
It could be uncontrollable.
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Reply #154 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 10:51pm
 
I'm actually looking forward to seeing Australia being a World Leader in this, unless New Zealand pips us first for Oceania.

The world is looking for a leading example.
It's going to be hard for other nations who don't really deal with 'Authority' - who could blame them when Authority itself sometimes kills them all off. Little wonder they don't want to be Locked Down. They would rather Revolt, Rise Up and anything else from their 'oppressive' Authority.

So if we can show the way for the World.
Then there is 'Political' hope for the World.
Of course, ScoMo will try to say it's all because of him.
But its really due to the Australian 'People'. Wink
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Reply #155 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:06am
 
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So true. the Virus has given us the opportunity to get our Economic priorities right.


What are they, and how are they wrong?
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Reply #156 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:09am
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 9:11pm:
The World is waiting for a Nation to lead the way.
But there are many Snow Flakes in this country who think of money, before people's lives.

As Lols pointed out. The Spanish Flu was not spread as quickly as today either. Lack of national Lock Downs saw it eventually go on to kill 50 million world wide.

We are going great guns, but as 60 minutes has shown - people want to stop the Lock Down now and get back to "The way it was". Sorry - but the world is changed - there is no 'going back'.

There's always one in the Life Raft who puts money before everything else and everyone else.


Even if it could go back, it's can't tomorrow. 

We've been extremely lucky given all the mistakes made early on and that maybe our downfall.

So many people calling it a hoax, claiming the hospitals are empty, it's a MSM plot to X (bring in a 1 world government or whatever), they have the luxury of doing that because our first wave was not a tsunami but a ripple.

If they had their way, just like those like Scoot and the other retards want, the hospitals will be overrun and our death toll will be in the 5 to 6 digits before they would admit the seriousness of the situation, and like our favourite dickhead in chief, they'd make excuses that it could be worse, be happy that so few "heroes" have been sacrificed int his "war".

The problem is, at that point, they'll be looking for people to blame, just like Trump is, as to how things got so bad.  It won't be them or those like them who spread their uninformed "opinions" that it's not a big deal, stop cowering at home under the bed.

For some reason, their brains are just not able to overcome the ideology they've clung to for so long which has shown in many cases around the world with the various government responses to be totally political in nature and in some cases faulty or totally wrong, and they just can't accept the situation on the ground.  For so long they've deluded themselves into thinking they're right and by default every differeing opinion is wrong.

It must be chaotic for them, seeing these "wrong opinions" put into action by Government who for decades have been trying to dismantle health systems, screw the poor and foster the economic notion of "the free market knows best".  It's an admission that they're wrong and it must drive them crazy.

Well, with borders closed, where has that left us now?

They're so dead set to stay in their lane when the world has turned onto a different road entirely they're lost.

Governments will face growing pressure of their people to make their nations more self-sufficient, built and manufacture things again.

But the various lobby groups will fight to prevent legislation to do that and instead want it to be "voluntary".  They'll, of course, put their hands out, but as we get out of the other side of this, because "regulation bad" eventually the "Free Market" will be let to control the wheel and while it may not be China, they'll find somewhere else to again move offshore, firing Australian workers and leaving us in the same situation as we were before.

People's memories are too short and their ideologies run too deep.

They need to preface their cries of "Won't somebody think of the children economy!" to cite which news platform/lobby group they've been fed their opinions so we can track whose interests are being looked after over ours, the people.
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Reply #157 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:27am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:06am:
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So true. the Virus has given us the opportunity to get our Economic priorities right.


What are they, and how are they wrong?


Lobby groups convincing the Government (well, mostly conservative but Labor is not immune) that the "free market does it better" in every situation and Governments should not own or run anything.

A service delivery model is not as important as a profit-first model.

Innovation can only be done by the private sector.

Government regulation is bad.

Government taxation is bad.

Utilities from Power, Water, Sanitation, Telecommunications, Health, they are all are impossible without Government spending and regulation, then they're sold off as they become profitable for a short term budgetary gain, their models shift from services delivery to a profit-first model.  We as the people end up paying for them twice and now we get worse outcomes, higher prices, drops in services levels from support going offshore to physical delivery of services. Then when things go majorly wrong, the Government picks up the tab because they're too big to fail, too critical to lose etc.

The KPI's shift from things like patient outcomes or X number of homes with power/water/phones to profit margins.

When it comes to the private sector, the Government is always expected to manage the risk and the private businesses take the rewards.

Companies can operate here but take advantage of loopholes and move their entire manufacturing offshore, pay little to no tax locally and what taxes they do pay come in the form of GST that the consumer pays again.

This is a chance to highlight the extent of corporate welfare that has Australian taxpayers paying twice, even three times for things.

Again, we don't need to go socialist, but that's what those who've advocated for the above their entire lives will call it. 

We also don't need to end the notion of the free market.

What we need is a proper balance between the two.

The problem is the people are stupid and they'll let the "f##k you china" movement blind them to everything else and the changes we need won't ever be made, the few will hold all the power, the wealth will be with the same people and we'll all be facilitating them growing it further at our own expense like it's always been.

There will be people so brainwashed they'll have already hit reply to tell me how wrong I am, stupid, cucked, libtard whatever before even reading the whole thing. 

Those triggerbabies will be the "grassroots" of us not only ruining our response to COVID-19 and costing lives, but any change at real reform to put Australias first, not the businesses with the best lobby groups and the deepest pockets to bribe donate to political parties, and they're too stupid to see it.
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Reply #158 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:32am
 
None of those are priorities. They are just statements you made up to disagree with.
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Reply #159 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:40am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2020 at 9:20am:
If you google - coronavirus new cases - you get an interesting plot of the number of new cases each day. In Australia this has been going down since the end of March. This puts us well ahead of most other countries. China is also going down, but I expect that is because they gave up testing. Most other countries are still going up, or just flattening.

Does this mean we can start easing off the sillier restrictions soon?


It sucks but isolation is doing its job.
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Reply #160 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:41am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:32am:
None of those are priorities. They are just statements you made up to disagree with.


So you want Australia to continue to be reliant on China for manufacturing?  Having our utilities and critical infrastructure owned by foreign interests?

If not, how else will that change if not regulated by the Government?  The private sector has already decided that China is better.  Profit is better.

If they're going to be dragged kicking and screaming back to building local, they'll want subsidies, protections, tariffs.

The Government may even need to step in and take control of some industries and nationalise them.

At the end of all of this, when they're back up and running, will the Government of the day retain control? 

No, they'll be lobbied into lowering the regulations of employing X local Australians, they'll start lowering some tariffs to help X lobby groups benefactors get cheaper parts, slowly whiteant and chip away at the system and all the positive changes that were made because they have too many Government fingerprints on them.

The Coalition and possibly even Labor will want a short term boost in the economy to show they're better managers by selling everything, again, and it will eventually move back offshore and we'll be left in the same situation we are now but an even bigger bill to pay, again.

But since you've dismissed that, what would your economic priorities be right now?
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Reply #161 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:44am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 8:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 8:06pm:
Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2020 at 8:00pm:
60 minutes was a real fear-mongering effort tonight.
Basically 'Economy' is more important than people's lives and an expert suggests that the 'Economic' problems if things stay locked down, will be worse than millions dying from the Virus.

Roll Eyes

Yep. It's the Kryptonian way to say "Economics" is important, when their world is about to end.



And we will have food rationing if they don't let the
farmers use the water from the Murray river.


It's not like Gordon and aqua couldn't miss a meal or two.

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Gordy got thongs for his birthday ?
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Reply #162 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:45am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:27am:
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:06am:
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So true. the Virus has given us the opportunity to get our Economic priorities right.


What are they, and how are they wrong?


Lobby groups convincing the Government (well, mostly conservative but Labor is not immune) that the "free market does it better" in every situation and Governments should not own or run anything.

A service delivery model is not as important as a profit-first model.

Innovation can only be done by the private sector.

Government regulation is bad.

Government taxation is bad.

Utilities from Power, Water, Sanitation, Telecommunications, Health, they are all are impossible without Government spending and regulation, then they're sold off as they become profitable for a short term budgetary gain, their models shift from services delivery to a profit-first model.  We as the people end up paying for them twice and now we get worse outcomes, higher prices, drops in services levels from support going offshore to physical delivery of services. Then when things go majorly wrong, the Government picks up the tab because they're too big to fail, too critical to lose etc.

The KPI's shift from things like patient outcomes or X number of homes with power/water/phones to profit margins.

When it comes to the private sector, the Government is always expected to manage the risk and the private businesses take the rewards.

Companies can operate here but take advantage of loopholes and move their entire manufacturing offshore, pay little to no tax locally and what taxes they do pay come in the form of GST that the consumer pays again.

This is a chance to highlight the extent of corporate welfare that has Australian taxpayers paying twice, even three times for things.

Again, we don't need to go socialist, but that's what those who've advocated for the above their entire lives will call it. 

We also don't need to end the notion of the free market.

What we need is a proper balance between the two.

The problem is the people are stupid and they'll let the "f##k you china" movement blind them to everything else and the changes we need won't ever be made, the few will hold all the power, the wealth will be with the same people and we'll all be facilitating them growing it further at our own expense like it's always been.

There will be people so brainwashed they'll have already hit reply to tell me how wrong I am, stupid, cucked, libtard whatever before even reading the whole thing. 

Those triggerbabies will be the "grassroots" of us not only ruining our response to COVID-19 and costing lives, but any change at real reform to put Australias first, not the businesses with the best lobby groups and the deepest pockets to bribe donate to political parties, and they're too stupid to see it.


YES lets put AUSTRALIA first.

When I heard Fanta pants first say the USA first and then all others I thought great this may catch on but our polies weren't buying.

Maybe now after corona they will realise that we shouldn't depend on anyone for anything because in an emergency everyone will look after their own first.

And lets put essential services in government hands were they belong.

Who would you rather be in charge of essential services a hand full of business men looking to make a profit or our government.....!

I have lived through both and the answer imo is our government.
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Reply #163 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:51am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:41am:
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:32am:
None of those are priorities. They are just statements you made up to disagree with.


So you want Australia to continue to be reliant on China for manufacturing?  Having our utilities and critical infrastructure owned by foreign interests?

If not, how else will that change if not regulated by the Government?  The private sector has already decided that China is better.  Profit is better.

If they're going to be dragged kicking and screaming back to building local, they'll want subsidies, protections, tariffs.

The Government may even need to step in and take control of some industries and nationalise them.

At the end of all of this, when they're back up and running, will the Government of the day retain control? 

No, they'll be lobbied into lowering the regulations of employing X local Australians, they'll start lowering some tariffs to help X lobby groups benefactors get cheaper parts, slowly whiteant and chip away at the system and all the positive changes that were made because they have too many Government fingerprints on them.

The Coalition and possibly even Labor will want a short term boost in the economy to show they're better managers by selling everything, again, and it will eventually move back offshore and we'll be left in the same situation we are now but an even bigger bill to pay, again.

But since you've dismissed that, what would your economic priorities be right now?


I was just asking what our priorities were and how they were wrong. You didn't have to write a ranting strawman.
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Reply #164 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 8:56am
 
Boris Johnson is praising the NHS staff for saving his life - must've been a desperate battle - his hair looks like he's been in a very deep crisis for a month or so....

Oh .... sorry............. that's normal... must take his hairdresser an hour a day to get that right.... Grin  Grin  Grin
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