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Re: Pell walks
Reply #525 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 12:27am
 
rhino wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 7:59pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 7:36pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 3:17pm:
cods wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 7:12am:


by all accounts he admitted to a royal that he knew of risdales paedophilier yet moved him around just the same  ...


Yes, but who did he support in court? The victims or the predator? Wake up to yourself.



I dont know I do not recall the royal.....what I do know is RISDALE got 29 years... and if pell confessed he knew about his activities.....he could still be charged with aiding and abetting... there is no time limit on Royal Comm findings they do swear an oath....... so why hasnt he been charged by the police???????

thats all I am asking..
I do recall, Pell supported Risdale, not the victims. In this context the question of whether Pell got charged or not is irrelevant, he is still a reprehensible human being who deserves to hang. We know Pell supported the pedophiles, its on record and he does not deny it, so why are you going all out to support him? What is in your mind to argue for and offer support to this disgusting human being?


Well - what did he DO or SAY to support Risdale?  Did he actively support his activities or did he say it was covered by the sanctity of the confessional?

These are two totally different things.

My view - as I said about Young Hastie - is that if you are the Boss (you don't get that title without earning it), you say it like it is, for right or wrong.

You don't:- "Aw, shucks, I was in a chopper at the time"  - when your man is accused of wrongdoing in removing a terrorist's hand for fingerprint ID, which is SOP in extremis. 

By the same token, you do not say - "Oh, I know that guy was unarmed, and the Trooper shot him without abiding by the rules of engagement - but I chose to sweep it under the carpet."

For those of you up in the air about SAS engagements in Afghanistan - and Pell - the same rules apply... you do what is Right in the circumstances, and if you know wrong was done, you say so - you don't just "Aw, shucks".... and you don't hang your man out to dry for following SOP in extremis, either.  You OWN your position - that's what leadership is about, even when it hurts.

If Pell was aware of wrongdoing, he should have acted positively, not allowed the sanctity of the confessional to cover the deeds..... but until he is charged with that, and indeed until laws are created to make this an offence and it is proven to the proper standard - he bears no guilt to date.


And this is what Pell said about Risdales pedophile activities
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In an admission which drew gasps in the Sydney hearing room, the Cardinal said he didn't have "much interest" in complaints about Ridsdale.

"I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or whether it wasn't," he said. "It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me."
https://www.smh.com.au/national/cardinal-george-pell-blames-former-bishop-for-letting-abuse-fester-20160301-gn71uj.html
The abuse of children not of much interest to Pell, but he certainly had plenty of interest in standing by the pedophile in court.


The plight of Arab women in Oman is not high on my list of priorities.... does that mean I don't care when one Omani woman is abused and there is a clear case to support this?...

I suppose as a bureaucrat, Pell had priorities....

Again - I am NOT a Catholic.. my mother was (by accident -- or is that my mother by accident?) .. but my family are sternly Anglican Irish (though directly descended from the Catholic Ancient High Kings of Ireland).. serious conundra abound in my family tree... but I accept none of them and am not an adherent to any.....

Perhaps Pell had a poor choice of words there... and I think he should answer why he said that at that time... but does that make him guilty directly of the charges laid against him?

Again I say - it should become law that covering up with depraved indifference should be a  chargeable offence...

To prove such a thing requires proof of deliberation, proof of knowledge of wrongdoing, and proof of indifference....

Over to you.

I think we are on the same side - but sometimes things become confused out there....
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #526 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 7:32am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 12:27am:
rhino wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 7:59pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 7:36pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 3:17pm:
cods wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 11:56am:
cods wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 7:12am:


by all accounts he admitted to a royal that he knew of risdales paedophilier yet moved him around just the same  ...


Yes, but who did he support in court? The victims or the predator? Wake up to yourself.



I dont know I do not recall the royal.....what I do know is RISDALE got 29 years... and if pell confessed he knew about his activities.....he could still be charged with aiding and abetting... there is no time limit on Royal Comm findings they do swear an oath....... so why hasnt he been charged by the police???????

thats all I am asking..
I do recall, Pell supported Risdale, not the victims. In this context the question of whether Pell got charged or not is irrelevant, he is still a reprehensible human being who deserves to hang. We know Pell supported the pedophiles, its on record and he does not deny it, so why are you going all out to support him? What is in your mind to argue for and offer support to this disgusting human being?


Well - what did he DO or SAY to support Risdale?  Did he actively support his activities or did he say it was covered by the sanctity of the confessional?

These are two totally different things.

My view - as I said about Young Hastie - is that if you are the Boss (you don't get that title without earning it), you say it like it is, for right or wrong.

You don't:- "Aw, shucks, I was in a chopper at the time"  - when your man is accused of wrongdoing in removing a terrorist's hand for fingerprint ID, which is SOP in extremis. 

By the same token, you do not say - "Oh, I know that guy was unarmed, and the Trooper shot him without abiding by the rules of engagement - but I chose to sweep it under the carpet."

For those of you up in the air about SAS engagements in Afghanistan - and Pell - the same rules apply... you do what is Right in the circumstances, and if you know wrong was done, you say so - you don't just "Aw, shucks".... and you don't hang your man out to dry for following SOP in extremis, either.  You OWN your position - that's what leadership is about, even when it hurts.

If Pell was aware of wrongdoing, he should have acted positively, not allowed the sanctity of the confessional to cover the deeds..... but until he is charged with that, and indeed until laws are created to make this an offence and it is proven to the proper standard - he bears no guilt to date.


And this is what Pell said about Risdales pedophile activities
Quote:
In an admission which drew gasps in the Sydney hearing room, the Cardinal said he didn't have "much interest" in complaints about Ridsdale.

"I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or whether it wasn't," he said. "It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me."
https://www.smh.com.au/national/cardinal-george-pell-blames-former-bishop-for-letting-abuse-fester-20160301-gn71uj.html
The abuse of children not of much interest to Pell, but he certainly had plenty of interest in standing by the pedophile in court.


The plight of Arab women in Oman is not high on my list of priorities.... does that mean I don't care when one Omani woman is abused and there is a clear case to support this?...

I suppose as a bureaucrat, Pell had priorities....

Again - I am NOT a Catholic.. my mother was (by accident -- or is that my mother by accident?) .. but my family are sternly Anglican Irish (though directly descended from the Catholic Ancient High Kings of Ireland).. serious conundra abound in my family tree... but I accept none of them and am not an adherent to any.....

Perhaps Pell had a poor choice of words there... and I think he should answer why he said that at that time... but does that make him guilty directly of the charges laid against him?

Again I say - it should become law that covering up with depraved indifference should be a  chargeable offence...

To prove such a thing requires proof of deliberation, proof of knowledge of wrongdoing, and proof of indifference....

Over to you.

I think we are on the same side - but sometimes things become confused out there....




I agree grap  I trust I dont shoot others down for not agreeing with me....basically telling them they have no idea and if they dont they shouldnt comment... Angry Angry Angry..

I didnt like Pells trial   I thought it left a lot to be desired.......yet I am told I think hes innocent because of that.....then they drag up history that had not a thing to do with his trial.....and I am told to shut up again....

were any of us witness were any of us even there at his trial...no.. everything is hearsay....but the ingrained ar the ones who are correct no matter what.... Angry

they dont realise they have buried their heads in the sand and just refuse to see any other point of view....
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #527 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 9:01am
 
And so because there are no laws to deal with aiding & abetting child abusers in the church

it will continue .... and those in charge will hide behind that narrative.

& that a thread title determines what can or can't be said in regards to the subject of said thread ...

even though it says ... "Pell walks' ....

& not "Pells Trial"?

All posts digress........ & you've seen oft enough the depths of some of the digression.  Roll Eyes
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