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Reply #45 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 10:58am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 10:09am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 6:36pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 1:06pm:
Credible NY Doctor says he has "seen nothing like this" with his Covid-19 patients. "Its not viral pneumonia" as the current medical professions thinks and this failure is costing many lives.



What makes him credible?

It's a serious question.

See if you can answer without resorting to personal abuse.



Really? I thought that was the only language you understand.


As stated in the video. "He has nothing to gain from making this video".

Common sense tells you that he genuinely is concerned about what he sees every day. Hes calling for a less dogmatic approach to this disease.

  The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.

Dr Fauchi says it needs to be tested?? He's talking months of testing by which time millions will die and the economy will collapse. And that means no more social security checks for you religious lefty's.

A group of unelected medical professionals connected to big pharma are holding this World hostage - think about that and the consequences.


How does any of that make him "credible"?



It makes him entirely incredible, Greggery.

Imagine, there's a doctor blaming radio waves for a virus. And no, not the symptoms, but the cells themselves.

And here's Rich coming out to agree.

I think it's worth studying, don't you?

5 years at the very least.
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Reply #46 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:07am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:45am:
The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.



This two statements are really why he shouldnt be taken seriously


Ok, so after watching the video Rich posted, there are 2 important elements.

There is the video he linked to, from known conspiratard Dana Ashlie and the video she freebooted onto her monetized channel where she definitely has something to gain by posting this given the pre-roll and the ad in the middle of the video, and there there is the doctor who is spreading his message on his personal youtube channel and twitter without any ads.

I recommend you ignore Rich's video and watch Dr Kyle-Sidell's video directly,



If you must watch Rich's video, stop at the 5:50 mark, the rest is junk.

It's important to separate the two authors, Dr Kyle-Sidell and Dana Ashlie.

Dr Kyle-Sidell

While he might be trying to thrust himself into the spotlight, it does seem he is sending a genuine warning out there wanting those who are on the ground seeing the same thing he thinks he has seen to speak up and help the researchers who aren't on the front lines get the information. 

There is no reason to doubt what the Dr says, but Rich has provided nothing to substantiate the claim that he is "credible".  So basically, it doesn't mean that he isn't just because known liar Rich has vouched for him, no matter how many times in the past the "Rich seal of authenticity" means it cannot be trusted.

The doctor is worried that the currently accepted method of treatment in some cases may be doing more harm than good and it seems like he may not be the only person suggesting this with others voicing that the ventilators should be used on the lowest possible positive end-expiratory pressure (PEEP) to allow the most gentle ventilation to reduce the risk of lung damage.

Dana Ashlie

Like most conspiratards on YouTube, she's using the work of others not only to add credibility to her bullshit but also make ad revenue off their content.  This video is no different.

She shows, almost in full, the video from Dr Kyle-Sidell then segues into familiar conspiracy territory.  It's important to note what she left out, I'll mention that later.

She starts out saying that the doctor has nothing to gain by giving you this information, "unlike the plethora of people on the news like Bill Gates etc" insinuating that she also is a white hat like this doctor.

This is despite the fact that she's earning revenue from the video and has a vested interest in telling conspiratards what they want to hear to get them to watch and share the video as Rich has.

She then moves away from the claims the doctor made in his video and links them to 5G, using his "credibility" to boost the legitimacy of her conspiracy theory.

It's a good plan, it fools idiots all the time.  Rich posted it here after all.

She's done the classic conspiratorial link of "Nobody has seen this before, therefore it must be X", in this case, her conspiracy theory about "F I V E G" as she calls it.

For those who don't know, to avoid her video being auto flagged and demonetized with the crackdown of fake news around C O V I D 1 9 as she also refers to it as, just like she will say F I V E G rather than just 5G.  Yet another admission she's just in it for the money and does have a vested interest.

She then links him saying that in some of the cases treating these patients as if they have pneumonia is potentially dangerous, it is therefore not C O V I D 19 that is causing their symptoms but instead 60GHz F I V E G is the cause.

The bits she cut out of the Dr's video is when he makes it clear that it is a virus causing this, but it's the treatment methods that he wants other experts in the field to look at, not the cause of the distress in the patient, it's a virus, that's accepted and not questioned. 

That hasn't stopped her from twisting his message to be "It's not a virus, we've never seen this, what is it?" and she has the answer, "F I V E G".

That's not his message.  His message is that from what he's seen, the COVID-19 virus isn't always causing standard pneumonia-like symptoms in everyone but symptoms more akin to altitude sickness. 

The pneumonia treatment may, in fact, cause more issues if this is the case. 

He doesn't have the information to attest to HOW the virus is doing this, but he's trying to get the information to the people who are researching that they should take note and not just stick to the currently accepted information because now that more cases are known in the US, they're getting better data than they've had access to previously.

It's that lack of "HOW" that Ashlie is exploiting to insert her 5G conspiracy.

Rich, save us all some time and fact check your crap next time, please....
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Reply #47 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:20pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:45am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 6:36pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 1:06pm:
Credible NY Doctor says he has "seen nothing like this" with his Covid-19 patients. "Its not viral pneumonia" as the current medical professions thinks and this failure is costing many lives.



What makes him credible?

It's a serious question.

See if you can answer without resorting to personal abuse.



Really? I thought that was the only language you understand.


As stated in the video. "He has nothing to gain from making this video".

Common sense tells you that he genuinely is concerned about what he sees every day. Hes calling for a less dogmatic approach to this disease.

  The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.

Dr Fauchi says it needs to be tested?? He's talking months of testing by which time millions will die and the economy will collapse. And that means no more social security checks for you religious lefty's.

A group of unelected medical professionals connected to big pharma are holding this World hostage - think about that and the consequences.




The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.



This two statements are really why he shouldnt be taken seriously


Bojack are you claiming that what this doctor is saying is not true? And you believe Dr Fauchi? Someone who represents a trillion dollar industry. This is why you shouldn't be believed - no common sense.

Is 5G causing problems with health? I don't know but it is possible. The result from a study with rats being subjected to microwave radiation - was that their health was affected but proponents of 5G claim that rats are different to humans. Thats comforting!

Interesting that the first city to use 5G was Wuhan, China. Ever heard of it?

Coincidence?


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Reply #48 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:30pm
 
Sad One. I support the free and open discussion on all topics.

The MSM is reading from the same script and the social media is censoring divergent opinions.

Let others make up their own minds from ALL the facts.
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Reply #49 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:51pm
 
I'm in quarantine for 2 weeks - having just returned from OS. Being very careful.

However 2 tidbits of info not widely circulated but worth mentioning again is that the CDC has stated that its "Covid-19 tests are not reliable'! IE - they don't work!

The other directive to medical personal in the US is that ALL deaths from the regular flu and pneumonia are to categorized as caused by Covid-19. They're fudging the numbers folks.

This should be front-page news!
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Reply #50 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 1:55am
 
Is COVID-19 Even Real?


This panic could cause the deaths of tens of millions not from the virus but economic collapse. A debate that must discussed.



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Reply #51 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 6:45am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:20pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:45am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 6:36pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 1:06pm:
Credible NY Doctor says he has "seen nothing like this" with his Covid-19 patients. "Its not viral pneumonia" as the current medical professions thinks and this failure is costing many lives.



What makes him credible?

It's a serious question.

See if you can answer without resorting to personal abuse.



Really? I thought that was the only language you understand.


As stated in the video. "He has nothing to gain from making this video".

Common sense tells you that he genuinely is concerned about what he sees every day. Hes calling for a less dogmatic approach to this disease.

  The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.

Dr Fauchi says it needs to be tested?? He's talking months of testing by which time millions will die and the economy will collapse. And that means no more social security checks for you religious lefty's.

A group of unelected medical professionals connected to big pharma are holding this World hostage - think about that and the consequences.




The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.



This two statements are really why he shouldnt be taken seriously


Bojack are you claiming that what this doctor is saying is not true? And you believe Dr Fauchi? Someone who represents a trillion dollar industry. This is why you shouldn't be believed - no common sense.


Did you even watch the video you posted?  It's not the doctor who made the claims Bojack highlighted, it's the conspiratard who, following your Fauci logic, cannot be trusted.

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Is 5G causing problems with health? I don't know


And this is where you should stop then.

If you do any research (ie, not googling or trawling social media for answer or opinions you like, but actual research in a Lab) that show a link, can be replicated and shown to be credible then sure the topic is open, but until then if you still want to talk about it, take it to the Fringe.
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Reply #52 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 6:50am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:30pm:
Sad One. I support the free and open discussion on all topics.

The MSM is reading from the same script and the social media is censoring divergent opinions.

Let others make up their own minds from ALL the facts.


The media are relying on the information from the WHO, the CDC and their National Governments.  The fact that they're all saying the same thing is likely because it's true.

As for social media censoring divergent opinions, from what I've seen they're simply sticking to their new guidelines if we're talking about Facebook, Twitter etc, in removing fake news.  Things like telling people to drink bleach or any of the other quack and frankly dangerous "cures" that the "alternative facts" crowd are trying to profit from or those like you pushing conspiracy theories that the virus is fake etc which is leading to people not taking lockdowns seriously, in the "free worlds" and further spreading it through the community.

When I say "free worlds" if you see what is happening in other countries where there are civil, criminal and even corporal punishments for breaking the curfew or the rules, they don't have the same time of problems.  I don't want to see things get like there here, but people like you suggesting that the virus is fake, or making the excuse "I'm just asking the question", you'll only have yourself to blame if we're put in a NZ style lockdown.

"All the facts", like how you're also trying to legitimise the 5G claims by pointing to the Dr, even though not only what he said in his video doesn't mention 5G but specifically states, in the parts she left out of her video, that the cause is a virus, he's not questioning that, just the treatment?

Well done...
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Reply #53 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 6:59am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:51pm:
I'm in quarantine for 2 weeks - having just returned from OS. Being very careful.

However 2 tidbits of info not widely circulated but worth mentioning again is that the CDC has stated that its "Covid-19 tests are not reliable'! IE - they don't work!

The other directive to medical personal in the US is that ALL deaths from the regular flu and pneumonia are to categorized as caused by Covid-19. They're fudging the numbers folks.

This should be front-page news!


Such astounding ignorance.

Not surprising though.
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Reply #54 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 7:13am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2020 at 6:59am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:51pm:
I'm in quarantine for 2 weeks - having just returned from OS. Being very careful.

However 2 tidbits of info not widely circulated but worth mentioning again is that the CDC has stated that its "Covid-19 tests are not reliable'! IE - they don't work!

The other directive to medical personal in the US is that ALL deaths from the regular flu and pneumonia are to categorized as caused by Covid-19. They're fudging the numbers folks.

This should be front-page news!


Such astounding ignorance.

Not surprising though.


2 friends in the US that I met on Cruise Ships still can't even get tested.  One from Massachusetts said that the standard procedure there is to test for everything thing else (flu etc) and if they come back as negative, they're 'assuming' they've got COVID-19 but still can't test for it as they don't have any tests.

They're not going towards the confirmed cases count either.  The husband is in ICU and they don't know what's going to happen, it's grim Sad

But even still, he can't get tested and she can't either.  Things are really bad over there.

But they're doing more testing than anywhere else in the world.

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Reply #55 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 7:40am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 7th, 2020 at 6:45am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:20pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:45am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 6:36pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 1:06pm:
Credible NY Doctor says he has "seen nothing like this" with his Covid-19 patients. "Its not viral pneumonia" as the current medical professions thinks and this failure is costing many lives.



What makes him credible?

It's a serious question.

See if you can answer without resorting to personal abuse.



Really? I thought that was the only language you understand.


As stated in the video. "He has nothing to gain from making this video".

Common sense tells you that he genuinely is concerned about what he sees every day. Hes calling for a less dogmatic approach to this disease.

  The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.

Dr Fauchi says it needs to be tested?? He's talking months of testing by which time millions will die and the economy will collapse. And that means no more social security checks for you religious lefty's.

A group of unelected medical professionals connected to big pharma are holding this World hostage - think about that and the consequences.




The public needs to see more testing regarding the effects of 5G microwave transmission. Especially at 60 Ghz and its known effects of splitting oxygen molecules.

Also results of using hydroxychloroquine are positive except for patients who had previous complications. So why isn't this drug being rolled out? Isn't this drug a derivative of quinine? An age old drug which was mandatory when travelling through tropical Asian countries.



This two statements are really why he shouldnt be taken seriously


Bojack are you claiming that what this doctor is saying is not true? And you believe Dr Fauchi? Someone who represents a trillion dollar industry. This is why you shouldn't be believed - no common sense.


Did you even watch the video you posted?  It's not the doctor who made the claims Bojack highlighted, it's the conspiratard who, following your Fauci logic, cannot be trusted.

Quote:
Is 5G causing problems with health? I don't know


And this is where you should stop then.

If you do any research (ie, not googling or trawling social media for answer or opinions you like, but actual research in a Lab) that show a link, can be replicated and shown to be credible then sure the topic is open, but until then if you still want to talk about it, take it to the Fringe.


Nice rave Sad!

Now back to business. The CDC got caught by a journo Sheryl Atkinson posting false figures for the Swine flu outbreak many years ago. This is the reputable agency you mentioned Sad?

Heres some more info and an excellent question.

CDC numbers:  H1N1 Swine Flu, April 2009-April 2010.
60.8 Americans million infected.
274,304 Americans hospitalized.
12,469 Americans died.

So why wasn't everything shut down then - like it is now?
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Reply #56 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 7:42am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 7th, 2020 at 1:55am:
Is COVID-19 Even Real?


This panic could cause the deaths of tens of millions not from the virus but economic collapse. A debate that must discussed.





This gentleman makes some excellent points. Don't you think?
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Reply #57 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 9:26am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 7th, 2020 at 7:40am:
Nice rave Sad!

Now back to business. The CDC got caught by a journo Sheryl Atkinson posting false figures for the Swine flu outbreak many years ago. This is the reputable agency you mentioned Sad?

Heres some more info and an excellent question.

CDC numbers:  H1N1 Swine Flu, April 2009-April 2010.
60.8 Americans million infected.
274,304 Americans hospitalized.
12,469 Americans died.

So why wasn't everything shut down then - like it is now?


Well firstly the only sources I've been able to find are from "COVID-19 deniers" that mention Atkinson's findings.

I'd love to see what she actually wrote rather than the conspiratard commentary.  If you have any links to show what she "uncovered" or if she was censored as part of a cover-up I'd love to see it.

From what I've been able to find,

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As for all of the hysterical mathematical modeling, I don’t buy it. When the swine flu happened, thousands of samples were sent to CDC labs, and only a handful tested positive for swine flu. So, the CDC announced that 22 million people had this new, horrible flu. Those who received the experimental treatment were often disabled for life. Sheryl Atkinson reported on this, and was censored.


If she reported the CDC was saying there were 22 million people with the virus and this is what their models showed, they made it clear these were estimates, but again like now, there weren't enough tests to be sure, hence the estimates.

The fact that conspiratrads like you don't understand what an estimate is and think you've exposed a conspiracy because there were only a few thousand tests, not millions, therefore the CDC are lying, just goes to show how intellectually out of your depth in this whole issue you really are.

The Swine flu is now a part of the seasonal flu cycle and still occurs to this day.  It didn't just go away.

COVID-19 is not an influenza virus so we don't know what's going to happen with it yet, but given how highly contagious it is, if we don't try to get on top of it now and it continues a similar yearly cycle while also mutating, dying because you go outside could become the new normal.

That's why your uninformed conspiracy bullshit is so dangerous, it's fostering complacency in people. 

You know in the movies when they get through whatever disaster was happening and they look back at all the people, the antagonists in the movie who pretended everything was ok and their actions cost lives and in the movie universe they're forever remembered in the history books as the dickheads who made things get so bad and through sheer luck, the protagonists were able to overcome them for a happy ending?

We're in that time now, the time they look back to.  Don't be one of the dickheads Rich.
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Reply #58 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 11:03pm
 
I don't have time for this Sad!
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I smell something Fauchi!

Dr Fauchi says we shouldn't use and is opposed to hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of the Wuhan virus. Directly contradicting the results of doctors successful use of this drug.

He calls the results "anecdotal" and says that more testing needs to be done - at least several months of trials. Even though this drug has been OK'd by the FDA and been in use for decades.

Obviously Dr Fauchi is wanting the vaccine which may or may not happen in a year or 2 and the lives and economic calamity is of no concern to him. Hes says "America will never be the same after this virus". 

President Trump please step up and sack this POS fraud NOW!
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Reply #59 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 7:00am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 7th, 2020 at 11:03pm:
I don't have time for this Sad!


No, you never have time to cite your sources or prove your claims do you, not even when you're on a 2 week stay at home quarantine...

It wasn't even a hard question, you made a claim that can't be verified so you've been asked to post your source.

That claim just happens to be the cornerstone of all your arguments here, the CDC and the WHO can't be trusted because of some reporter, therefore the MSM is fake.

Oh but I don't have time to show you what the reporter posted that convinced me of this.

Well done.
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