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Reply #60 - Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 7:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

You realise you are unique in insisting you can never be wrong, don't you?

Only one person in the entire world is infallible -

that is the Pope.

He must use qualifications when accusing every muslim man woman and child of being genocide supporters then.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #61 - Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 7:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

You realise you are unique in insisting you can never be wrong, don't you?

Only one person in the entire world is infallible -

that is the Pope.

He must use qualifications when accusing every muslim man woman and child of being genocide supporters then.

The Pope never did that - he kissed a Koran.

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Reply #62 - Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 7:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

You realise you are unique in insisting you can never be wrong, don't you?

Only one person in the entire world is infallible -

that is the Pope.

He must use qualifications when accusing every muslim man woman and child of being genocide supporters then.

So the pope is not as infallible as Gandalf?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: FD Factcheck Reply #63 - Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 7:39pm Gandalf would never say something so mindnumbingly stupid as "all muslims support genocide". I especially wouldn't proudly claim its correct while at the same time admitting it could be wrong. Gandalf thinks that makes the statement double idiotic. Apparently that makes me have an infallibility complex - right FD?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47356 At my desk.	Re: FD Factcheck Reply #64 - Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 9:20pm Quote: Gandalf would never say something so mindnumbingly stupid as "all muslims support genocide". Would Gandalf claim to be infallible?
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Reply #65 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 4:22pm

List of Killings in the Name of Islam:

Last 30 Days: During this time period, there were 83 Islamic attacks in 19 countries, in which 506 people
were killed and 544 injured.

List of Killings in the Name of Islam So far for 2020: During this time period, there were 408 Islamic attacks in 34 countries, in which 2380 people were killed and 2001 injured.

There has been over 36616 deadly muslim terrorist attacks since Sept -11 - 2001.

The ideology of islam is responsible for the overwhelming majority of global islamic deadly terrorist attacks.

The fact that there is not one single muslim on this planet who will reject, criticize and dishonour the
many verses of evil in the qur'an, which cause and motivate islamic terrorism, means that all muslims
support the terrorism engendered by these satanic verses of evil.

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Reply #66 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 5:39pm

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 9:20pm:

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Gandalf would never say something so mindnumbingly stupid as "all muslims support genocide".

Would Gandalf claim to be infallible?

Islam operates like the Chinese Communist Party.

You can trust a cadre of one just as much as the cadres of the other.

Lies and oppression are inseparable.

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Reply #67 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 5:51pm

moses wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 4:22pm:

List of Killings in the Name of Islam:

Last 30 Days: During this time period, there were 83 Islamic attacks in 19 countries, in which 506 people
were killed and 544 injured.

List of Killings in the Name of Islam So far for 2020: During this time period, there were 408 Islamic attacks in 34 countries, in which 2380 people were killed and 2001 injured.

There has been over 36616 deadly muslim terrorist attacks since Sept -11 - 2001.

The ideology of islam is responsible for the overwhelming majority of global islamic deadly terrorist attacks.

The fact that there is not one single muslim on this planet who will reject, criticize and dishonour the
many verses of evil in the qur'an, which cause and motivate islamic terrorism, means that all muslims
support the terrorism engendered by these satanic verses of evil.

But that only applies to radical Muslims who never
seem to get enough of chaos and death.

I would guess that the vast majority of Muslims would
prefer to have a peaceful life.

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Reply #68 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:12pm

FD notice how you don't even bother to address the point here, and instead just engage in ad-hominems? I wonder why.

For example, has it ever occurred to you how absurd it is to interpret someone pointing out the obvious flaw of stating all muslims support genocide, insisting it is simultaneously both true and possibly wrong - as thinking themselves as infallible?

I suspect it hasn't, but you just got caught up in such a clever moment of labelling the resident muslim as having an infallibility complex - for no reason at all.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47356 At my desk.	Re: FD Factcheck Reply #69 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:20pm My apologies Gandalf. I can't seem to get past your claim to be infallible. What was the point again?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95241 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FD Factcheck Reply #70 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:27pm freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:20pm: My apologies Gandalf. I can't seem to get past your claim to be infallible. What was the point again? Does Gandalf claim to be infallible?
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Reply #71 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:28pm

Troll. The problem here is obviously I never claimed to be infallible.

But you knew that. Just like you know exactly what my point is - I have only stated it about 4 times in the last 24 hours. You are trolling.

FD, was this the sort of rivetting exchange of ideas you had in mind when you set this forum up? You endlessly trolling the one person who bothers to try and engage you in debate, while everyone else is driven away by the sheer boredom of it?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #72 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:28pm:

Troll. The problem here is obviously I never claimed to be infallible.

But you knew that. Just like you know exactly what my point is - I have only stated it about 4 times in the last 24 hours. You are trolling.

FD, was this the sort of rivetting exchange of ideas you had in mind when you set this forum up? You endlessly trolling the one person who bothers to try and engage you in debate, while everyone else is driven away by the sheer boredom of it?

Hi Gandalf,
is anyone in the world infallible or
was there anyone who lived in the past infallible?

Were Moses, Jesus or Mohammad infallible?

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Reply #73 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 6:28pm:

Troll. The problem here is obviously I never claimed to be infallible.

But you knew that. Just like you know exactly what my point is - I have only stated it about 4 times in the last 24 hours. You are trolling.

FD, was this the sort of rivetting exchange of ideas you had in mind when you set this forum up? You endlessly trolling the one person who bothers to try and engage you in debate, while everyone else is driven away by the sheer boredom of it?

You said it was theoretical impossible for you to be wrong unless you caveat what you say. That is basically the same claim Muhammad made.

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Reply #74 - Apr 3^rd, 2020 at 9:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2020 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2020 at 7:11am:

I only speak in facts Karnal. That's a fact.

FD only speaks in facts.

Like "all muslims support genocide"

'Like "all muslims support genocide" '

gandalf,

Another few questions for you,    .....which on past example, you will simply ignore.

gandalf,

Q.
Will you acknowledge that authoritative ISLAMIC religious texts support and encourage the moslem to participate in the murder/genocide of disbelievers - IF SOEVER THE MOSLEMS ARE ACTUALLY STRONG ENOUGH TO ENGAGE IN CONFLICT WITH THE DISBELIEVERS ?

gandalf,

Q.
If we know that the Koran is inerrant, will you acknowledge that verses like
Koran 58.22
Koran 9.23
Koran 5.51
and Koran 2.216
.....demand of the moslem,    a certain level of commitment,    to the strictures of his religion, from the person who wishes to refer to himself as, a 'moslem' ?

gandalf,

Q.
Please tell me,       ......under what lawful exemption in ISLAMIC law, is a follower of ISLAM permitted to FLOUT ISLAMIC law, and still be able to consider himself a bona fide 'believer' ?

flout = = openly disregard (a rule, law, or convention).

bona fide = = genuine; real.

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"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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