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Reply #30 - Mar 18^th, 2020 at 10:33am

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2020 at 10:46pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2020 at 12:54pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2020 at 10:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 15^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Islam is what it's believers believe it to be, Set. Just as is Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism. Without believers, a religion is history. By attacking (unnecessarily) Muslims, Islamophobes are demonstrating their ignorance. Some Muslims are Islamists. Most are not. A smaller number are Terrorists. Islamophobes believe all Muslims are Terrorists, without any evidence of it. Yet you only criticise me for some reason, who attempts to defend ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims who have committed no crimes and done nothing except well be, Muslims. Roll Eyes

Yeah and the small number of muslims who are terrorists kill people in the streets of Sydney and Melbourne ... and no one can say when it will stop, not even you can say when it will stop - you're a sadist

Why? Because I refuse to prejudge people on the basis of religious belief? To do otherwise means we are resorting to Nazi like beliefs. It means we are not thinking about this and acting fairly. Why should the majority of Muslims suffer because of what a tiny minority do? Why not just increase the presence of police in our society? Are you afraid of the police, Bias for some strange reason? Roll Eyes

Don't understate your spinelessness Brian. You refuse to grant yourself the right or even ability to criticise Islam or Muslim countries.

Yes, but you refuse to grant yourself the right or even ability to answer questions.

I have one.

Would you like to have a stab?

Don't answer that.

It is futility and therefore, largely a waste of a [deliberate] persons time to try to answer/address the questions of fools/'time wasters'.
.....but fool that i am, i have got nothing better to do [atm], and besides, i see my efforts here as a service to the community which i live in.

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Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 1:22
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Proverbs 3:35
The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

Proverbs 10:23
It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

Proverbs 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.

Proverbs 17:24
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

Proverbs 19:3
The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the LORD.

Proverbs 23:9
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

Proverbs 26:10
The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

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Proverbs 9:7
He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92296 Gender:	Re: 'immigrant' shows his appreciation, to Swedish wom Reply #31 - Mar 20^th, 2020 at 7:18am Yadda, do you tell lies in your Christian crusade against the Muselman and the leftards? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #32 - Mar 20^th, 2020 at 8:34am

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2020 at 7:18am:

Yadda, do you tell lies in your Christian crusade against the Muselman and the leftards?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1584397430/1#1
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

K,

Did i tell a lie ?

K,

Those who read my posts ARE the judge [...of whether what i post, is truthful, or not].

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92296 Gender:	Re: 'immigrant' shows his appreciation, to Swedish wom Reply #33 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 11:20am Don't want to say, eh? Google: taqiyya.
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Reply #34 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:40pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 11:20am:

Don't want to say, eh?

Google: taqiyya.

What is Taqiyya?
In several Quranic passages as well as the example of Muhammad, Muslims are encouraged to deceive non-Muslims when it will help protect Islam. It is known as the principle of "taqiyya" or "religious deception."

This is less surprising if you first understand that in mainstream Islamic teachings, the world is divided into "the house of Islam" and "the house of war." That is, part of the world is Islamic and the other part has yet to brought into the light with Allah's holy law (Sharia).

http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/06/what-is-taqiyya.html

"... in mainstream Islamic teachings, the world is divided into "the house of Islam" and "the house of war."

Taqiyya derives from this House of War. Muslims are permitted to deceive and lie their heads off

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Reply #35 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:57pm

The Myth of the Lying Muslim: 'Taqiyya' and the Racialization of Muslim Identity

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Taqiyya

Taqiya (تقیة, taqiyyah/ taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution") is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.

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Taqiyya
From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam

Taqiyya (تقية alternative spellings taqiyeh, taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his Islamic faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[2] It is based on Qur'anic verses that instruct Muslims not to "take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers... except by way of precaution,"[3] and to not utter unbelief "except [while] under compulsion".[4]

This practice is emphasized in Shi'ite Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.[5] Taqiyya, as it is known today, was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in the minority and under pressure from the Sunni majority. In the Shi'ite view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[1]

The term taqiyya is generally not used among Sunnis. However, it has been discussed in a positive and clear manner by several Sunni scholars such as Ibn Kathir[6] and Al-Suyuti,[7] and the actual concept itself does exist within Sunni jurisprudence (Fiqh).[8][9] There are also a few historically documented cases of Sunnis practicing taqiyya where it was necessary. For example, in the inquisition miḥna during the Caliphate of al-Ma’mun, a number of Sunni scholars used taqiyya, attesting to the Qur’an as having been created despite believing the opposite.[10]

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	Re: 'immigrant' shows his appreciation, to Swedish wom Reply #36 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 2:08pm Taqiyya Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1560907982/2#2
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Reply #37 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 4:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:57pm:

The Myth of the Lying Muslim: 'Taqiyya' and the Racialization of Muslim Identity

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Taqiyya

Taqiya (تقیة, taqiyyah/ taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution") is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.

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Taqiyya
From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam

Taqiyya (تقية alternative spellings taqiyeh, taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his Islamic faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[2] It is based on Qur'anic verses that instruct Muslims not to "take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers... except by way of precaution,"[3] and to not utter unbelief "except [while] under compulsion".[4]

This practice is emphasized in Shi'ite Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.[5] Taqiyya, as it is known today, was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in the minority and under pressure from the Sunni majority. In the Shi'ite view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[1]

The term taqiyya is generally not used among Sunnis. However, it has been discussed in a positive and clear manner by several Sunni scholars such as Ibn Kathir[6] and Al-Suyuti,[7] and the actual concept itself does exist within Sunni jurisprudence (Fiqh).[8][9] There are also a few historically documented cases of Sunnis practicing taqiyya where it was necessary. For example, in the inquisition miḥna during the Caliphate of al-Ma’mun, a number of Sunni scholars used taqiyya, attesting to the Qur’an as having been created despite believing the opposite.[10]

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Abu believed that it was only OK to lie about Islam in the context of war. He also believed that the west had been at war with the Muslim world for several centuries.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	Re: 'immigrant' shows his appreciation, to Swedish wom Reply #38 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 7:49pm The most precious words, to a Muselman, are 1/ words which will deceive the enemy of ISLAM, and 2/ words which will weaken the enemy of ISLAM [through his lies]. And all the better [to a Muselman], when such words can be spoken with little or any danger of contradiction.
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Reply #39 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 4:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:57pm:

The Myth of the Lying Muslim: 'Taqiyya' and the Racialization of Muslim Identity

Quote:

Taqiyya

Taqiya (تقیة, taqiyyah/ taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution") is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.

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Quote:

Taqiyya
From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam

Taqiyya (تقية alternative spellings taqiyeh, taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his Islamic faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[2] It is based on Qur'anic verses that instruct Muslims not to "take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers... except by way of precaution,"[3] and to not utter unbelief "except [while] under compulsion".[4]

This practice is emphasized in Shi'ite Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.[5] Taqiyya, as it is known today, was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in the minority and under pressure from the Sunni majority. In the Shi'ite view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[1]

The term taqiyya is generally not used among Sunnis. However, it has been discussed in a positive and clear manner by several Sunni scholars such as Ibn Kathir[6] and Al-Suyuti,[7] and the actual concept itself does exist within Sunni jurisprudence (Fiqh).[8][9] There are also a few historically documented cases of Sunnis practicing taqiyya where it was necessary. For example, in the inquisition miḥna during the Caliphate of al-Ma’mun, a number of Sunni scholars used taqiyya, attesting to the Qur’an as having been created despite believing the opposite.[10]

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Abu believed that it was only OK to lie about Islam in the context of war. He also believed that the west had been at war with the Muslim world for several centuries.

What constraints do you place on the use of lies, FD? Are they only to be used against the Muselman and the Boong, or are there other contexts?

We're curious. The pre-2007 FD studiously applied himself to the truth.

What changed?

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Reply #40 - Mar 21^st, 2020 at 11:04pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 8:36pm:

What constraints do you place on the use of lies, FD?

Are they only to be used against the Muselman and the Boong, or are there other contexts?

We're curious.

The pre-2007 FD studiously applied himself to the truth.

What changed?

Why don't you write a thesis about FD's beliefs and motives K ?

But it is pretty clear, that the Muselman has no qualms about telling BARE FACED LIES,
about ISLAM, when speaking to naive, un-informed non-moslems.

In-house; 'We ought to fight and kill the disbeliever.'

To the face of the disbeliever; 'ISLAM is a peaceful religion.'

EXAMPLE ------ >

A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005

......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts

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ANOTHER EXAMPLE ------ >

IMAGE.....

< -------- This person, Sheik Feiz Mohammed,

has two faces

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He has one face, for his brother mohammedan.

And he presents another face, for the [strong] infidel.

He is a moslem.

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Use children as troops, says cleric

January 18, 2007

SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.

Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.

Sheik Feiz says in the video......

"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.

Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior).

Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.

He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM [Sheik Feiz Mohammed] AS HE SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - WHO HAVE BECOME AWARE OF HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS

Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood;

Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"...

"I don't believe in suicide bombing.

I don't believe in violence against others," he said.

"We denounce that.

This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-w...

K,

Why is it, that you never, ever, ever, address examples of the Muselman telling lies, and blatantly misrepresenting the character of his religion ?

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Reply #42 - Mar 22^nd, 2020 at 8:13am

K ?

Oh. You've gone.

QUESTION;
Why doesn't K confront and address ....the widespread evidences of moslems lying for Allah and lying for their own material gain ?

And yet, despite these widespread evidences, moslems will often be heard to insist that they are THE ONLY virtuous people in the world - because they are followers of ISLAM.

EVIDENCES TO THE DETRIMENT OF THOSE CLAIMS BY MOSLEMS....

WWW search....

Pakistani website fabricates story of Hindus raping Muslim girl in New Delhi, uses 2018 photo from Bangladesh

WWW search....

Pakistan: Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly Speaker says “Islam gives unmatched respect, rights and status to women”

WWW search....

India: Muslimas invite Deputy Commissioner of Police for talks, then attack him with iron rods

.....coz, moslems want to prove that they desire peaceful relations with others. /sarc off

WWW search....

Nigeria: Muslim Senator says “There is nowhere in the Qur’an where Allah said innocent people should be killed”

.....deceitful sophistry.

WWW search....

“Journalist” tweets photo of Syrian refugees in Greece hashtagged “#Gaza” to show “Palestinian” suffering

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IMAGE.....

Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

Quote:

"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

THE DEATH CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT, OF ALLEGIANCE TO ALLAH's RELIGION...

"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!" "
Koran 62.06

....n.b. Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer, that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem], is to die, fighting in Allah's cause. !!!

and on, and on, and on.....

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Reply #44 - Mar 22^nd, 2020 at 4:35pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2020 at 9:19am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 12:40pm:

Now, is spitting in a woman's face a disgusting and unacceptable act Karnal? - A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice

Karnal, you haven't given a "yes" or "No" answer yet. Don't hurry, take your time, this afternoon will do

It most certainly is. I hope it comforts you to know that I find spitting in a woman's face a disgusting and unacceptable act.

Spitting in a woman's face == disgusting and unacceptable.

But I'm curious, Bias. Do you tell lies in your campaign against the Muslims and their apologists?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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