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Reply #30 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 4:30pm
 
Is the chimp doing a bit of research outside of GetUp! and Greeny propaganda ?

The deeply shamed Greenies are desperately trying to "manufacture a link" between their Climate Change SCAM and the Chinese COVID-19 virus.  So far all they have got is the virus.
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Reply #31 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 4:38pm
 
Oh no ! There i was thinking you had the facts for what you said . This is just awful.
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Reply #32 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 4:55pm
 
Sounds like poor old chimp is suffering from burn out. Lefties often end up like that after over-gorging on GetUp! propaganda.
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Reply #33 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:11pm
 
As the Corona Virus is killing heaps of Americans in a tragedy far worse than the Australian Wild Fires.
Are all those 'Donations' to Fire Relief going to be sent back to the people of the USA who need it most?
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Reply #34 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:18pm
 
Trumpie has heaps of cash from Mexico to pay for coffins.
Juliar says Greens blocked bush burn off. Just 1 Green minister would shut me up , juliar.  Which one do you name?
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Reply #35 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:42pm
 
Admit it chimpy you have not got the vaguest clue what you are posting about.
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Reply #36 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 7:06pm
 
Agree , that's why I depend on you for details of which Green banned it.

"Well blame the shamed Greenies as they caused the bush fires by banning the clearing of dangerous undergrowth."

"Matthew John Kean has served as the New South Wales Minister for Energy and Environment in the second Berejiklian ministry since April 2019".  He denies everything.
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Reply #37 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 10:29am
 
Does the Chimp live in a cave or what ? Has he never heard of Google ? Living in a cave I suppose he is safe from the Chinese COVID-19 Virus.
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Reply #38 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 12:16pm
 
No answer again juliar. I'm starting to suspect there were no Green Ministers .  But will keep searching, juliar.   hmm.. [ greens minister] and click.
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Reply #39 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 3:59pm
 
Down goes the Chimp (or is it really Greggy ?). This is one of many FACTUAL episodes where the evil Greenies planned the destruction of Australia by FIRE.


Qld landholder hit with record $1m penalty for making fire breaks too wide
James Nason, March 23, 2017

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Fire breaks on Chess Park, Eidsvold.

How wide can a fire-break be in Queensland?

Getting the answer wrong, despite receiving conflicting advice from several different Queensland Government staff, has just resulted in a Queensland landowner being forced to pay $999,780 in fines and costs.

That figure – a record since Queensland’s Vegetation Management Act came into effect in 1999 – incorporates a $276,000 fine and an order to pay the Government $723, 780 in costs.

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In the wake of the severe punishment, which has left the landowner devastated according to his legal team, landowners seeking to undertake future clearing works in areas containing native vegetation, even if for a firebreak, fenceline or road, are being urged to urgently seek legal advice before starting.

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Michael Vincent Baker of Chess Park, Eidsvold, was this week found guilty in the Brisbane Magistrate Court of the unauthorised clearing of 367.5 hectares of native vegetation.

Mr Baker was found guilty of 39 charges under the Vegetation Management Act and 7 charges under the Forestry Act relating to the width of clearing associated with firebreaks, fence lines and access tracks on his property, and also failing to comply with the self-assessable code for Native Forest Practice.

Magistrate Elizabeth Hall of the Brisbane Magistrates Court fined Mr Baker $276,000 for the 46 offences under the Vegetation and Forestry Act.

She also ordered restitution for loss of forestry products of $17,471.

In addition, she ordered Mr Baker to pay $165,000 and $541,309.15 of costs incurred by the Department in investigating and prosecuting him.

The total costs incurred by the Queensland Government in pursuing this prosecution, as disclosed to the court, were $2.2 million.

Mr Baker’s lawyer Tom Marland from Marland Law, Roma, said Mr Baker has previously filed an appeal to the District Court based on Magistrate Hall’s decision and will appeal the costs and sentence imposed as part of those appeal proceedings.

Lack of clarity over allowable fire-break widths:
Mr Marland has previously indicated that before Mr Baker commenced the clearing in question, he contacted 32 different Government employees seeking advice on the acceptable width of fire breaks.

He said he received conflicting advice ranging from 1.5 metres wide to “1.5 times the height of the tallest tree”.

The Vegetation Management Act (VMA) provided an exemption for clearing remnant vegetation if the clearing was to establish a fire break, and provided the break was “no more than 20 metres wide or 1.5 times the height of the nearest vegetation”.

The Act also allowed for “the clearing necessary” to remove or reduce the imminent risk that the vegetation poses of serious personal injury or damage to infrastructure.

Mr Baker was motivated to construct effective fire breaks because his 9242 hectare property Chess Park was almost totally burnt out by bushfire soon after he bought the property in May 2011.

The fires caused $300,000 worth of damage to property infrastructure. After that event, Mr Baker was determined to construct fire breaks to protect his family, property and livestock from future fires.

He said Mr Baker applied the advice of “1.5 times the tallest tree” in determining the width of his fire breaks – narrower firebreaks would provide no protection if a burning tree fell across the break and continued the fire on the other side.

With trees measuring between 18 and 32 metres, an average of 25 metres was applied, resulting in  fire break widths of 40 metres.

Mr Baker advised the Department of his plan and his intention to commence the work.

However, some two years after the work began, he was advised by the Department that his fire breaks were too wide, and legal action followed.

The result was Magistrate Hall’s decision in the Brisbane Magistrate’s Court this week.

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This is the full media statement released by the Department of Natural Resources and Mines this morning:

Huge fine for illegal vegetation clearing
23 March 2017

A Queensland landowner has been required to pay nearly $1 million for illegally clearing native remnant vegetation at a property near Eidsvold in the North Burnett region.

Department of Natural Resources and Mines Director-General James Purtill said Mr Michael Vincent Baker had been found guilty of a total of 46 offences and ordered by the Brisbane Magistrates Court on Monday to pay $999,780, including costs.

“The fine handed down reflects the significant extent of the illegal clearing and Mr Baker’s deliberate actions despite direct warnings given to him by the department,” Mr Purtill said.

Read the sickening rest of this anti-Australian Greeny savagery here

https://www.beefcentral.com/news/qld-landholder-hit-with-record-1m-penalty-for-m...
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Reply #40 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 4:02pm
 
And how about a few COMMENTS from REAL Australians

Alasdair Graeme Stewart, esq., March 6, 2020
And another one of the excuses, I heard, was that the firebreak width was considered a sort of ‘climate-change’ issue. Trees, the bureaucrats now admit, breath and cleanse our air but only if it’s so they can fine you for cutting down too many, to prevent fires.
This is all wrong and this poor poor chap should be recompensed.

Kevin Johnson, February 3, 2020
What a lot crap thank Christ I am still not farming we cleared along our 10 km of fencing every 10 years to stop trees falling on fences we burnt fire breaks every 5 years we would be locked up now my father would turn in his grave now if he could see these new rules

Dave, January 30, 2020
My thoughts are that if an authoritive body has jurisdiction over any portion of a landholders land, then that body should be 1. Responsible for the maintenance of that portion or portions of land, 2. Indemnify the landholder from any risk and or damage resulting from an event involving that land, 3. Compensate the landholder for any taxes, fees or charges incurred by that portion of land, and 4. Exempt that portion of land from the rateable value, in this case 40%.

Roger Olsen, January 22, 2020
It’s very simple. To meet the emissions target for the Paris Agreement the PM initiated a $2bil fund. Of course they cannot shut down the coal industry, nor can they recall all the petrol driven cars, so they fake the emissions target by registering large tracts of land as saving the planet by citing the trees as ingesting the naughty Co2. Check the official website of the regulator — that’s how 80% of the target was achieved. The climate change lobby doesn’t want to reduce anything. They just want a price on carbon so their friends on Wall St can make billions — and we pay. Its a scam folks!

Mike Paez, January 17, 2020
As soon as insurance companies start to take councils and the Green Party to court for not letting land owners protect their property, dwellings and livestock nothing will change, they will blame it all on climate change.

nathan secker, January 12, 2020
Feel gutted for this guy. Judicial system now full of lefties who crush people trying to earn a living and show leniency to scumbags. Hopefully he will get a judge with isn’t a moron next time.

Chris Gregory, January 10, 2020
Now we see why there has been so much devastation this season. This is why we believe that the state government, local councils and the green agenda is the real reason for the massive fires. It has nothing to do with federal government and everything to do with state government. Palachook wake your ideas up, take control and overturn these murderous regulations.

Owen Wellington, January 10, 2020
I thought that our fathers and grandfathers fought in the first and second world wars to stop fascism or any form of dictatorship but apparently it was in vain as we now have a dictatorship in this country. Time to express our concerns.

John Baker, January 10, 2020
Sadly, how many deaths around Australia due to this year’s fire season (26+) . It would seem state govts WANT the innocent to die from fires including – Billions of animals killed, destroyed homes and a massive hit on climate affecting the world. Magistrate Elizabeth Hall of the Brisbane Magistrates Court probable never set foot outside of city living – and has no idea about what affects a fire has on a ‘real-world’ community. She s#cks. PLEASE SUPPORT Michael Vincent Baker as the appeal June this year was also LOST 🙁

S McKay, January 9, 2020
Really unbelievable- people in NSW and Vic are trying to save their lives and property while bushfire surrounds them and you fine someone for trying to protect themselves against this maybe happening to them. Don’t know who’s responsible for the ridiculous fine but how will they feel if this persons property and others like it go up in flames. I’d like some of the money we have all donated to the fire relief to go to this property owner to assist him in paying the fine. There needs to be a better resolution on what property owners can do to safeguard their lives /livelihood.

Tony Tyrrell, January 9, 2020
If the “government sponsored Electricity Supplier” decides to run power lines through your property how much land is cleared for “safety” and who decides?

Valda de Vries, January 8, 2020
In light of what is happening south , this is probably not a good result.
The LAW must want the whole of Australia to burn to a crisp.
Then we can import everything as nothing will be left in our GREAT LAND. Yes, not even water.

John Gourley, January 8, 2020
This is so wrong, so they spend $2.2 million of tax payers money to get a land owner a $276,000 fine for wanting to protect his family and land. Don’t these clowns see what is happening in NSW.

Stephen Aymes, January 8, 2020
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, there must be something in the air conditioning, that’s screwed with their common sense, it’s the only explanation, and this while the rest of Australia burns!

Anne McKillop, January 8, 2020
How can 40 metres be too much to clear for a fire break?? Surely the fires Australia is experiencing at the moment are a clear indication that land that is not kept clear of excessive underbrush (lovely fuel for a wildfire) needs a decent sized firebreak!!
Quite frankly, we need to revert to the former practice of doing ‘cool burns’ to keep excessive underbrush growth.
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Reply #41 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 4:26pm
 
ScoMo's and Albanese's answer to the Australian potential for Wild Fires (created by Whitey) is to conduct more Deforestation!!!
Apparently 80% Deforestation is not enough!
Australian Forests and Bushlands must be eradicated to stop Wild Fires existing!

Logging Companies are looking forward to raking it in once the Economy is up and running again.

Greenies are Politicians.
Not Environmentalists.
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Reply #42 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 4:29pm
 
Do you see any "Greens Minister" in that, juliar? I searched and searched but not one little Greens was found. Just Vegetation Management Act of Labor 1999.  "green" has different letters from "labor" which is pink or red.   

The Forestry Act 1959 was Country Party of coloured people,  mainly blue and has the same "n" as "green".  There has to be Green Government juliar , can't you search for one?
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Reply #43 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 5:29pm
 
Chimp you are just a not very effective amateur trying to get noticed.  Your fairy land of Green Ministers is just silly trash.

Your task is to show there are NO OTHER cases of farmers being unfairly penalized by Greeny outlaws.

If you cannot do this then just go away as you are just a waste of space sitting on a Greeny toadstool.


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Reply #44 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 6:38pm
 
Greeny outlaws in government? You're on the magic toadstools.
One Green with authority , please juliar. If it's not too much trouble. Or even if it is.
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