The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27
th, 2020 at 11:04am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 27
th, 2020 at 10:23am:
As usual you have once again missed the point that PZ was making.
In previous posts he stated that the US was deliberately going to disrupt the gulf stream.
He also stated that 10 years ago it was easy to find documents on the internet about this subject.
For some reason they have gone missing hence he posted that article which you seem to agree with.
No I didn't miss the point.
I suspected that PZ quoted
must be avoided “at all costs” to imply that there was some deliberate manipulation occurring.
My post was to put it into the correct context that it is human
negligence (ie Climate Change) that is affecting the Gulf Stream.
YOU believe your context is correct
and it's straight from the 'weather for dummies' textbook
Benjamin Franklin did a lot of work on the Gulf Stream while he worked for the post master general in London
we're talking pre 1800s
Almost from the outset, north American pioneers/settlers were vocal about the harsh extremes of climate in the US. A lot of them chucked it in and went back to Europe
they were experimenting with burning forests in the belief that would terraform the US more to their liking, climate wise. You heard right … burning forests
they also came up with the idea of loading large balloons with explosives as a rain-making system and they actually did just that
so from very early in the piece, new-Americans were intent on climate engineering
and it hasn't stopped
Then a group of businessmen, as I've already posted, decided it would benefit the US and disadvantage Europe, if the Gulf Stream current were to be diverted
salient points:
benefit the US and disadvantage Europein Florida, the Gulf Stream current runs one mile from the shore. They measured it. And they devised a system of driving poles into the seabed as a divergence method
Not so long ago, there was a flurry about Trump wanting to buy Greenland. Remember? What do you imagine that was about?
maybe it will help you to figure it out if you learn that very early in the piece, Americans were extremely involved in plans to 'Green Greenland' via manipulation of ocean currents
and it's still in their minds, obviously
'
Oh, the defrosting Arctic … waaaa waaaa climate change'
but not if warm currents had been diverted TO defrost the Arctic. Would serve at least two purposes, (1) 'proof of climate change' and (2) the greening of Greenland. Which Trump wanted to BUY. And people laughed and thought he was joking. Then the subject was dropped and people forget because the 24/7 news cycle constantly tosses up distractions
which is where Man from Uncle came from. Because non of this is new. Their plans are formulated well ahead of time. And these plans go way back
and now, the US is accusing Russia (they're driven to re-use old boogey men) of manipulation of advantageous ocean currents to free up northern ports. And all of this it cloaked under the vast, multifaceted umbrella of 'climate change'
there's so much to this subject alone
but I'm sure you'll find some handy little sound bites to copy and paste and feel satisfied you've conclusively corked the topic