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Reply #30 - Jan 23rd, 2020 at 8:19pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 3:59pm:
Property crime is up.
Domestic violence is up.
Black market activity is through the roof.

In the areas where the welfare cashless card is being trialed?

Really?

Link?

Yes. Really. (You would already know this if you did your own research.)

Cashless welfare card backfires with increase in crime, according to Aboriginal Health Council of WA
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THE cashless welfare card championed by mining billionaire Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest” has done nothing to reduce methamphetamine use and instead backfired by leading to a crime surge, prostitution and rorting, WA’s leading Aboriginal health group warns.

Aboriginal Health Council of WA chairwoman Michelle Nelson-Cox said no drop in meth use had been seen in the East Kimberley, one of two sites in Australia where the Turnbull Government has been trialling the initiative for the past year. She also said the card was still being used as a currency for drugs.

“What we have seen since that policy was implemented in that particular region is an increase around elder abuse and trade-off with other alternatives — for example, taxi drivers are trading the cards for cash exchange,” Ms Nelson-Cox told a Federal inquiry into the meth epidemic.

“We have also seen a rapid increase in crime and prostitution.”


Crime rates climb in Kununurra after cashless welfare card introduced
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Rates of theft, property crime, threatening behaviour and non-aggravated robbery have increased in Kununurra since the Federal Government’s cashless welfare card was rolled out in the East Kimberley.

WA Police figures provided to State Parliament show 277 theft offences in the North-West town in the year to May, up from 195 in the year leading up to the card’s introduction in April last year. The number of property offences rose to 965, up from 805, while there were 59 more incidents of threatening behaviour and seven more cases of non-aggravated robbery.


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The many problems of the Indue card

There are many problems with the cashless welfare card. Senate inquiries from 2015, 2017 and 2018, have all shown that in the trial regions, there has been no change in crime rates (in some areas such as Kununnura and Wyndham, there was actually an increase in crime statistics, as well as an increase in self-harm and suicide).


Family violence rates rise in Kimberley towns with cashless welfare
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Domestic violence has increased significantly in the East Kimberley since the introduction of the cashless welfare card, casting doubt on the government’s claims of its success.

Police data obtained under freedom of information law shows domestic-related assaults and police-attended domestic violence reports increased in the Kimberley communities of Wyndham and Kununurra since trials began in April 2016.


Domestic violence survivor could not have escaped abuse on cashless debit card
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A domestic violence survivor who is part of the cashless debit card trial says she would not have been able to escape her abusive marriage under the income management scheme.

Speaking at a symposium on the cashless debit card at Melbourne University on Thursday, Jocelyn Wighton, from Ceduna, South Australia said without access to her entire disability pension in cash she would not have been able to afford to start a new life.


This kind of information is quite easy to find outside the Murdoch press. I suggest you read more widely.
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Reply #31 - Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:43pm
 
Fair enough, I wasn't aware of those issues.

So, cashless cards are not the answer ... I wonder what would work?  Huh
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Reply #32 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:19am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:43pm:
Fair enough, I wasn't aware of those issues.

So, cashless cards are not the answer ... I wonder what would work?  Huh

What would work is positive policy based on hope and freedom, not the negative policy of despair and oppression.

What would work is making sure everyone who wants a job can get one. That is the hope. Abolish all compulsory restrictions on how anyone spends their money and the many other restrictions imposed on unemployed and underemployed workers. That is the freedom.

* Abolish all compulsory cashless cards.
* Renounce the falsehoods of pretending that 5% unemployment is "full employment" or that it is a "natural" level. If people cannot find work, that is not "full employment". It is not "natural" if it is manipulated artificially. These lies must be called out.
* Abolish involuntary unemployment.
* Instruct the RBA to rebase its policy settings around maintaining unemployment below 2%. 1.5% should be the target setting.
* Increase compulsory superannuation to 12%.
* The RBA would gain a new mechanism to control inflation, a surcharge on the Superannuation Guarantee rate. It can raise or lower this as required, with the proceeds coming out of workers' pay. It would work more equitably than interest rates because interest rates only affect the spending of people with interest-bearing debts but a superannuation surcharge would affect all workers. Workers get the money taken from them back in retirement instead of handing it over permanently in interest charges.
* Redirect funding from pointless vocational courses towards ones where employers actually need more workers.
* Introduce an employer-funded co-contribution towards vocational and university education.
* Abolish unpaid overtime. 90% of the workforce doing 100% of the work includes up to 10% of that work being coerced from workers for free. That practice must be abolished so more jobs can be created for workers who want them.
* Introduce a Job Guarantee.
* Abolish the privatised job services networks.
* Reinstate the Commonwealth Employment Service as the Commonwealth Employment Commission (CEC). Its mandate would be similar to the old CES, but with the additional task of managing the Job Guarantee.
* All employers advertising vacancies would be required by law to advertise them with the CEC, Seek, or another similar recruitment board. Advertising with the CEC would be free of charge.
* Make it easier to relocate interstate for employment opportunities by providing a $5000 relocation grant for all workers.
* Cut stamp duty on property transfers in all states to 0.2% of the property value with a minimum charge of $500. Property stamp duty is a significant barrier to employment because it's a huge tax on moving house.
* Replace the property stamp duty revenue with a broad-based land tax. Farmland would be exempt but not the farmhouse.
* Abolish payroll taxes in all states and territories. It's a tax on jobs that varies among the states and this makes it complex and costly to administer.
* Replace the payroll taxes with a single national tax on company turnover that raises a similar level of revenue, with the proceeds distributed to the states on a strict per capita basis. Companies would receive savings through lower tax compliance costs.

It should be obvious from this list that addressing poverty and inequity requires a broad sweeping policy agenda that includes industrial relations reforms, taxation reforms, superannuation reforms, changes to the Reserve Bank, the agreement of the states and territories and other broad changes. Such reforms are needed to clean out a lot of policy deadwood that has accumulated over the past 50 years or so, primarily driven by a neoliberal agenda. It's obvious that neoliberalism is not working, and it has to go.
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Reply #33 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:40am
 
Ah!

Nirvana then.  Smiley

Where can I go to find that place?
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Reply #34 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 11:12am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:40am:
Ah!

Nirvana then.  Smiley

Where can I go to find that place?

Since you can't get a time machine back to the 1960's, you should start by voting the Coalition OUT at the next election by putting them last on all ballots. They're the parties of oppression and despair, so punish them accordingly. Who you vote for is up to you, just put the Coalition last.

I notice you've not offered any actual criticism. I take it you're accepting all points raised?
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Reply #35 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 11:14am
 
They were good points.

Congratulations.  Cool
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Reply #36 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 1:36pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:43pm:
Fair enough, I wasn't aware of those issues.

So, cashless cards are not the answer ... I wonder what would work?  Huh



Jobs for all who want or need them.....
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Reply #37 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:30pm
 
If anyone wants to know what kinds of jobs can be done for a Job Guarantee, take a look at the recent bushfires for examples.

* Fire rangers - These rangers would mostly be Indigenous people working on their country, planning and supervising any planned burns that may be necessary.
* Wood cutters - These workers would remove fallen wood from forests that would burn in a bushfire. Some of this wood can be on-sold in Australia. Other wood can be exported to African countries where the people use local firewood, and donated so the people there do not need to cut down their own wood to burn. The cost of this export program can be funded from the foreign aid budget (assuming it is feasible).
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Reply #38 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:38pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:30pm:
If anyone wants to know what kinds of jobs can be done for a Job Guarantee, take a look at the recent bushfires for examples.

* Fire rangers - These rangers would mostly be Indigenous people working on their country, planning and supervising any planned burns that may be necessary.
* Wood cutters - These workers would remove fallen wood from forests that would burn in a bushfire. Some of this wood can be on-sold in Australia. Other wood can be exported to African countries where the people use local firewood, and donated so the people there do not need to cut down their own wood to burn. The cost of this export program can be funded from the foreign aid budget (assuming it is feasible).


Dead trees and fallen trees are home to native animals. Some need these to breed in.
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Reply #39 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:48pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:19am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2020 at 9:43pm:
Fair enough, I wasn't aware of those issues.

So, cashless cards are not the answer ... I wonder what would work?  Huh

What would work is positive policy based on hope and freedom, not the negative policy of despair and oppression.

What would work is making sure everyone who wants a job can get one. That is the hope. Abolish all compulsory restrictions on how anyone spends their money and the many other restrictions imposed on unemployed and underemployed workers. That is the freedom.

* Abolish all compulsory cashless cards.
* Renounce the falsehoods of pretending that 5% unemployment is "full employment" or that it is a "natural" level. If people cannot find work, that is not "full employment". It is not "natural" if it is manipulated artificially. These lies must be called out.
* Abolish involuntary unemployment.
* Instruct the RBA to rebase its policy settings around maintaining unemployment below 2%. 1.5% should be the target setting.
* Increase compulsory superannuation to 12%.
* The RBA would gain a new mechanism to control inflation, a surcharge on the Superannuation Guarantee rate. It can raise or lower this as required, with the proceeds coming out of workers' pay. It would work more equitably than interest rates because interest rates only affect the spending of people with interest-bearing debts but a superannuation surcharge would affect all workers. Workers get the money taken from them back in retirement instead of handing it over permanently in interest charges.
* Redirect funding from pointless vocational courses towards ones where employers actually need more workers.
* Introduce an employer-funded co-contribution towards vocational and university education.
* Abolish unpaid overtime. 90% of the workforce doing 100% of the work includes up to 10% of that work being coerced from workers for free. That practice must be abolished so more jobs can be created for workers who want them.
* Introduce a Job Guarantee.
* Abolish the privatised job services networks.
* Reinstate the Commonwealth Employment Service as the Commonwealth Employment Commission (CEC). Its mandate would be similar to the old CES, but with the additional task of managing the Job Guarantee.
* All employers advertising vacancies would be required by law to advertise them with the CEC, Seek, or another similar recruitment board. Advertising with the CEC would be free of charge.
* Make it easier to relocate interstate for employment opportunities by providing a $5000 relocation grant for all workers.
* Cut stamp duty on property transfers in all states to 0.2% of the property value with a minimum charge of $500. Property stamp duty is a significant barrier to employment because it's a huge tax on moving house.
* Replace the property stamp duty revenue with a broad-based land tax. Farmland would be exempt but not the farmhouse.
* Abolish payroll taxes in all states and territories. It's a tax on jobs that varies among the states and this makes it complex and costly to administer.
* Replace the payroll taxes with a single national tax on company turnover that raises a similar level of revenue, with the proceeds distributed to the states on a strict per capita basis. Companies would receive savings through lower tax compliance costs.

It should be obvious from this list that addressing poverty and inequity requires a broad sweeping policy agenda that includes industrial relations reforms, taxation reforms, superannuation reforms, changes to the Reserve Bank, the agreement of the states and territories and other broad changes. Such reforms are needed to clean out a lot of policy deadwood that has accumulated over the past 50 years or so, primarily driven by a neoliberal agenda. It's obvious that neoliberalism is not working, and it has to go.




so many good points here


well done Smiley
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Reply #40 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:48pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:38pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:30pm:
If anyone wants to know what kinds of jobs can be done for a Job Guarantee, take a look at the recent bushfires for examples.

* Fire rangers - These rangers would mostly be Indigenous people working on their country, planning and supervising any planned burns that may be necessary.
* Wood cutters - These workers would remove fallen wood from forests that would burn in a bushfire. Some of this wood can be on-sold in Australia. Other wood can be exported to African countries where the people use local firewood, and donated so the people there do not need to cut down their own wood to burn. The cost of this export program can be funded from the foreign aid budget (assuming it is feasible).


Dead trees and fallen trees are home to native animals. Some need these to breed in.



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Reply #41 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 4:23pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:38pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:30pm:
If anyone wants to know what kinds of jobs can be done for a Job Guarantee, take a look at the recent bushfires for examples.

* Fire rangers - These rangers would mostly be Indigenous people working on their country, planning and supervising any planned burns that may be necessary.
* Wood cutters - These workers would remove fallen wood from forests that would burn in a bushfire. Some of this wood can be on-sold in Australia. Other wood can be exported to African countries where the people use local firewood, and donated so the people there do not need to cut down their own wood to burn. The cost of this export program can be funded from the foreign aid budget (assuming it is feasible).


Dead trees and fallen trees are home to native animals. Some need these to breed in.

That's why they would need to be removed by trained workers, or have someone supervising who can choose the correct wood to take. It would also be a hell of a lot more sensitive to the environment than clear felling.
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Reply #42 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 4:44pm
 
More on the dysfunctional and detrimental CDC.
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