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Reply #120 - Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:17pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:43pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
16 out of 17 tenured university professors in American universities identify as to the left.


Source. Jonathon Haidt... The coddling of the American mind


Exactly. 16 out of 17. Engineering, maths, science, business, law, the lot.

One tiny correction though: they identified with the right.

Otherwise, you're spot on, dear. 16 out of 17.

5 years is the minimum, no?


Some interesting numbers in studies on this topic.

The Left do in fact have more numbers among university lecturers. This may be more a criticism of the right than saying anything about the left. Simply put the righties do not give a bugger about educating the young.

Among the highest numbers to the left from some studies was one where about 44% identified as being solidly to the left. this translated to around 90% in comparison to the something like 4% identifying as strong right supporters. The fact that the majority were close to the centre or politically uninterested went unnoticed.

The highest figure I found for the left in education was one study who got 60%. (60-40).

The history of politics in Universities is interesting, in the 30's - 50's to Mccarthyism Educators who were to the left would get the sack some were locked up, many campuses and lecturers had visits from the FBI.

16 out of 17 is obvious BS.


No no, it's true.

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Haidt describes how he began to study political psychology in order to help the Democratic Party win more elections, and argues that each of the major political groups—conservatives, progressives, and libertarians—have valuable insights and that truth and good policy emerge from the contest of ideas[37]. Since 2012, Haidt has referred to himself as a political centrist.[38]

Haidt is involved with several efforts to help bridge the political divide and reduce political polarization in the United States. In 2007, he founded the website CivilPolitics.org, a clearinghouse for research on political civility.[39] He serves on the advisory boards of Represent.Us., a non-partisan anti-corruption organization, the Acumen Fund, which invests in companies, leaders, and ideas that are changing the way the world tackles poverty; and Better-Angels.org, a bipartisan group working to reduce political polarization. Three of his four TED talks are on the topic of understanding political divisions.[40]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

So you can see why he'd rail against leftard academics. He wants to heal the political divide. It's all in the statistic analysis. 16 out of 17.

I think it's a smart move.


Did you find an explanation for the 16 out of 17 ? Or even if he really did say this ?.

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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #121 - Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:51pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 8:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 7:43pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 5:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
16 out of 17 tenured university professors in American universities identify as to the left.


Source. Jonathon Haidt... The coddling of the American mind


Exactly. 16 out of 17. Engineering, maths, science, business, law, the lot.

One tiny correction though: they identified with the right.

Otherwise, you're spot on, dear. 16 out of 17.

5 years is the minimum, no?


Some interesting numbers in studies on this topic.

The Left do in fact have more numbers among university lecturers. This may be more a criticism of the right than saying anything about the left. Simply put the righties do not give a bugger about educating the young.

Among the highest numbers to the left from some studies was one where about 44% identified as being solidly to the left. this translated to around 90% in comparison to the something like 4% identifying as strong right supporters. The fact that the majority were close to the centre or politically uninterested went unnoticed.

The highest figure I found for the left in education was one study who got 60%. (60-40).

The history of politics in Universities is interesting, in the 30's - 50's to Mccarthyism Educators who were to the left would get the sack some were locked up, many campuses and lecturers had visits from the FBI.

16 out of 17 is obvious BS.


No no, it's true.

Quote:
Haidt describes how he began to study political psychology in order to help the Democratic Party win more elections, and argues that each of the major political groups—conservatives, progressives, and libertarians—have valuable insights and that truth and good policy emerge from the contest of ideas[37]. Since 2012, Haidt has referred to himself as a political centrist.[38]

Haidt is involved with several efforts to help bridge the political divide and reduce political polarization in the United States. In 2007, he founded the website CivilPolitics.org, a clearinghouse for research on political civility.[39] He serves on the advisory boards of Represent.Us., a non-partisan anti-corruption organization, the Acumen Fund, which invests in companies, leaders, and ideas that are changing the way the world tackles poverty; and Better-Angels.org, a bipartisan group working to reduce political polarization. Three of his four TED talks are on the topic of understanding political divisions.[40]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

So you can see why he'd rail against leftard academics. He wants to heal the political divide. It's all in the statistic analysis. 16 out of 17.

I think it's a smart move.


Did you find an explanation for the 16 out of 17 ? Or even if he really did say this ?.



Of course the authors didn't say it. Aquascoot's been quoting this figure for years. Mind you, the numbers keep changing.

Haidt & Lukianoff published The Coddling of the American Mind in 2018.

They argue that:

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Continuing on to discuss contemporary partisanship or the "rising political polarization and cross party animosity". They state that the left and right are "locked into a game of mutual provocation and reciprocal outrage".[2]:125
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coddling_of_the_American_Mind

Aquascoot is always free to read or review his sources. He does have that choice.

For now.
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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #122 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm
 
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.



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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #123 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





I know, dear. When I was a student, the leader of the Libs was an economics professor who drove a Ferrari. The economics professor Milton Friedman and the Chicago School were the bee's knees. Even Clinton was a fan. Even Paul Keating.

Those were the good old days, no?

Mind you, those professors were quite strict on referencing. They'd fail you if you provided a graph sourced only as "figure 3".

Maybe there are some good things about having slack leftard professors, eh?

They don't ask any pesky questions like who wrote your research?
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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #124 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:08pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





I know, dear. When I was a student, the leader of the Libs was an economics professor who drove a Ferrari. Those were the good old days, no?

Mind you, those professors were quite strict on referencing. They'd fail you if you provided a graph sourced only as "figure 3".

Maybe there are some good things about having slack leftard professors, eh?

They don't ask any pesky questions like who wrote your research?



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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #125 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





I know, dear. When I was a student, the leader of the Libs was an economics professor who drove a Ferrari. The economics professor Milton Friedman and the Chicago School were the bee's knees. Even Clinton was a fan. Even Paul Keating.

Those were the good old days, no?

Mind you, those professors were quite strict on referencing. They'd fail you if you provided a graph sourced only as "figure 3".

Maybe there are some good things about having slack leftard professors, eh?

They don't ask any pesky questions like who wrote your research?



Meh.
Why would I cast pearls before swine.

You are ideologically possessed , as are many intellectuals of the left.

But here's the consequence.


Your ideological possession lead to identity politics.

Identity politics lead to tribalism

" paying attention" to the marriage of tribalism and the algorhythms of social media led trump to decide 2016 was the time to strike.

And the pragmatists ( who have the only correct view of the truth) would say that trump won and the lefties lost and therefore trump is " truth" and the lefties are " not truth"

You fell off the path, became wilfully blind, corrupted your morals and the people decided they did not want to play your game anymore.

And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play.

We will see later this year if people want to play the leftie game.
At the moment, they seem to like playing the awesome game of Donald.
Far more engaging and entertaining
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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #126 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:50pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play.


They were popular kids in 2016.

3,000,000 times more popular that the righties.

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Reply #127 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:50pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play.


They were popular kids in 2016.

3,000,000 times more popular that the righties.




That was the game of Hilary.
A pretty popular game.

The game of Liz , the game of Bernie and the game of Sleepy Joe.

Don't think people find those games engaging or entertaining
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Reply #128 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:04pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:50pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play.


They were popular kids in 2016.

3,000,000 times more popular that the righties.




That was the game of Hilary.
A pretty popular game.

The game of Liz , the game of Bernie and the game of Sleepy Joe.

Don't think people find those games engaging or entertaining


The alleged child rapist seems to like that game.

President Trump boasted about a poll on Thursday that he claims shows he's more popular than former President Lincoln.

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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #129 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:50pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play.


They were popular kids in 2016.

3,000,000 times more popular that the righties.




That was the game of Hilary.
A pretty popular game.

The game of Liz , the game of Bernie and the game of Sleepy Joe.

Don't think people find those games engaging or entertaining


The alleged child rapist seems to like that game.

President Trump boasted about a poll on Thursday that he claims shows he's more popular than former President Lincoln.



The alleged child rapist seems to be obsessed with popularity.

Trump says he could be 'most popular person in Europe’ and 'run for any office'

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Reply #130 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:07pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





Where, you've provided no context or evidence?

You haven't even provided a measure of what "centre" is.  So many of you have dove to the right that everyone feels left of centre to you.
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Reply #131 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:26pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





Where, you've provided no context or evidence?

You haven't even provided a measure of what "centre" is.  So many of you have dove to the right that everyone feels left of centre to you.



Several studies have found that the political views of academics vary considerably between different regions of the United States, and between academic disciplines. In a 2016 opinion column in The New York Times, for example, political scientist Samuel J. Abrams used HERI data to argue that the ratio of liberal to conservative faculty varied greatly between regions. According to Abrams, the ratio of liberal to conservative professors was highest in New England, where this ratio was 28:1, compared to 6:1 nationally.[34][35]

Mitchell Langbert examined variations in political party registration in 2018, describing a higher concentration of Democrats in elite liberal arts institutions in the northeast, and found more Democrats among female faculty than male faculty. He also found the greatest ratio of Democrats to Republicans in interdisciplinary studies and the humanities, and the lowest ratio in professional studies and science and engineering.[37]

Focusing specifically on social psychology academics, a 2014 study found that "[b]y 2006, however, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans had climbed to more than 11:1."[16] The six authors, all from different universities and members of the Heterodox Academy, also said, by 2012, "that for every politically conservative social psychologist in academia there are about 14 liberal psychologists" according to Arthur C. Brooks. Academy member[38] Steven Pinker described the study as "one of the most important papers in the recent history of the social sciences".



source ....wikipedia  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_American_academics
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Reply #132 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:42pm
 
So what does this tell you?

Smarter more informed people are less easily fooled by the conservative lies?
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Reply #133 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:49pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:46pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





I know, dear. When I was a student, the leader of the Libs was an economics professor who drove a Ferrari. The economics professor Milton Friedman and the Chicago School were the bee's knees. Even Clinton was a fan. Even Paul Keating.

Those were the good old days, no?

Mind you, those professors were quite strict on referencing. They'd fail you if you provided a graph sourced only as "figure 3".

Maybe there are some good things about having slack leftard professors, eh?

They don't ask any pesky questions like who wrote your research?



Meh.
Why would I cast pearls before swine.

You are ideologically possessed , as are many intellectuals of the left.

But here's the consequence.


Your ideological possession lead to identity politics.

Identity politics lead to tribalism

" paying attention" to the marriage of tribalism and the algorhythms of social media led trump to decide 2016 was the time to strike.

And the pragmatists ( who have the only correct view of the truth) would say that trump won and the lefties lost and therefore trump is " truth" and the lefties are " not truth"

You fell off the path, became wilfully blind, corrupted your morals and the people decided they did not want to play your game anymore.

And if the lefties want to be popular kids on the playground, they are going to have to play a game other people want to play.

We will see later this year if people want to play the leftie game.
At the moment, they seem to like playing the awesome game of Donald.
Far more engaging and entertaining


That's a pretty long reply, dear.

Can I ask why you don't you want to provide the source of your graph?
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Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #134 - Jan 15th, 2020 at 4:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:26pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2020 at 1:37pm:
educate yourself karmal  Cheesy Cheesy


The people who shape the minds of America’s students have long leaned left, on average. But students who entered college before 1990 could count on the fact that their professors did not all vote the same way or hold the same views on the controversial issues of the day. Students who arrived after 2005 could make no such assumption. For example, Figure 3 is from Jon Haidt’s recent post plotting new data on the policy views of social psychologists, on nine culture war issues (such as abortion and gay marriage).


Figure 3: Views of 327 social psychologists, on nine culture war issues. For further details see here.

Only one social psychologist, out of a sample of 327, had views that were right of center.





Where, you've provided no context or evidence?

You haven't even provided a measure of what "centre" is.  So many of you have dove to the right that everyone feels left of centre to you.



Several studies have found that the political views of academics vary considerably between different regions of the United States, and between academic disciplines. In a 2016 opinion column in The New York Times, for example, political scientist Samuel J. Abrams used HERI data to argue that the ratio of liberal to conservative faculty varied greatly between regions. According to Abrams, the ratio of liberal to conservative professors was highest in New England, where this ratio was 28:1, compared to 6:1 nationally.[34][35]

Mitchell Langbert examined variations in political party registration in 2018, describing a higher concentration of Democrats in elite liberal arts institutions in the northeast, and found more Democrats among female faculty than male faculty. He also found the greatest ratio of Democrats to Republicans in interdisciplinary studies and the humanities, and the lowest ratio in professional studies and science and engineering.[37]

Focusing specifically on social psychology academics, a 2014 study found that "[b]y 2006, however, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans had climbed to more than 11:1."[16] The six authors, all from different universities and members of the Heterodox Academy, also said, by 2012, "that for every politically conservative social psychologist in academia there are about 14 liberal psychologists" according to Arthur C. Brooks. Academy member[38] Steven Pinker described the study as "one of the most important papers in the recent history of the social sciences".



source ....wikipedia  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_American_academics


That's groundbreaking. 11:1? That's 10 out of 11, dear.

Does that mean that in only the last 5 years, it's gone up to 17:1?

Did Haidt measure the future trajectory?
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