Anything from the Lefty guardian is just pure propaganda rubbish.

Since ScoMo put ITA there now Labor and GetUp! cannot use the ABC Socialist Propaganda Station any more and so they use the Lefty Guardian instead.

ScoMo did NOT link the natural fires to the fraudulent Climate Change SCAM as he is far too smart for that and he does NOT suck up to the sick diseased Greenies like Anal does.

One suspects I am NOT the one living under the sand as I see the FACTS clearly that are before every Australian - the sick diseased Greenies are clearly responsible for the bush fires by banning the clearing of undergrowth.

Voter retribution is coming for the repulsive Greenies.

juliar wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 7:48pm:


Do you believe that Morrison linked the fires to climate change, or do you think The Guardian made it up?

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 7:41pm:


All ideas long overdue, but not in he minds of the ordinary person out here - including such things as a total ban on developing animal habitats, such as koalas on the Gold Coast.. build around but not through... bloody white shoe brigade..

Yadda Yadda is trying to convert everyone to ISLAM.

Yadda Yadda and You both need locking up in the looney bin!

Nutters!!

juliar wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:13am:


Have you ever bothered to fact check that?

Can you list any policy that the Green have implemented that support your claim and would, it seems, after a simple google search, be in counter to their own party platform?

Quote:

https://greens.org.au/bushfires

I look forward to your proof to back up your claims, lest they be exposed as your usual lies.

We can look at the facts quickly.  We know where your claims come from.  The chief accuser is Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce who says “greens policy” gets in the way “of many of the practicalities of fighting a fire and managing it”.

Among Joyce’s claims, the main one is that Greens policies have made hazard reduction activities more difficult.

This claim, just to be clear, is about the policies of a party that has never been in government.

You realise that right Juliar?

Joyce also blamed the Greens for “paperwork” that made it harder to carry out hazard reduction activities.

According to Ross Bradstock, senior professor, School of Earth, Atmospheric and Life Sciences, University of Wollongong, Joyce’s claims are familiar but “without foundation.”

“It’s simply conspiracy stuff. It’s an obvious attempt to deflect the conversation away from climate change.”

Former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, Greg Mullins, has written this week that the hotter and drier conditions, and the higher fire danger ratings, were preventing agencies from carrying out prescribed burning.

He said: “Blaming ‘greenies’ for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.”

So the effect of climate change is having a greater effect than the non-existent one from the Greens in terms of preventing hazard reduction burns.

Please, if you have any evidence whatsoever to back up your claims about the Green, please share.

What about all the fracking going on lately? CSG has ruined this country ....and they were told years ago that it would. Now....here we are.

The amount of water dammed up around the place.....taking water from all the creeks, artisan basin, groundwater etc. This all will have an effect on environment.


Wake up people. Global warming is a hoax.
Man made global warming is not us driving our cars around...no... it's big buisiness changing our environments. They are creating an environment.




I found this vid the other day. The start is what I am referring to.

juliar wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 7:48pm:


The greenies have not the power to do that

Spot

NSW also exceeded all their hazard reduction goals leading up to this, there was no reduction, and this was despite the funding cuts the local state government implemented.

NSW also exceeded all their hazard reduction goals leading up to this, there was no reduction, and this was despite the funding cuts the local state government implemented.

Quote:


Link

juliar wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 9:46am:


wut?

Firstly, he said this,

“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today."

If climate change is a hoax, how will reducing emissions "both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today."?

Secondly, how do the Green control anything?

In NSW alone the Hazard Reduction decisions are made by, "policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environmental groups and governments."

How is that, "The Greenies"?

Thirdly, How many of the arsonists are right-wing extremists ?

Where is the "TRUTH" in anything you've said?

A fire is delibratly lit by a shyte c@#t human. (They should all be shot dead on the spot when caught imo)
This fire turns into a monster, out of control raging inferno...creating its own weather patterns etc.

OUR honest hardworking gov then try to shift blame on to the current global climate situation propaganda circulating our information networks.
How the fkkkn hell can this happen? How can people swallow this garbage.
The fire is delibratly lit ffs....NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL!




I bet that if not one fire was lit in NSW that there would be.......NO FIRES AT ALL!

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:19am:


Climate change doesn't start fires.

I agree that the arsonists need to be punished to the full extent of the law.

There is however more to the equation than how the fires are started.

I've seen sap magnify sunlight and start a fire.  Lightning strikes, Power Lines, Careless morons, accidents, industry, we can't prevent the fires from starting.

You're again trying to distract away from the topic and muddy the waters.  You're not as bad as some so maybe that's uncalled for, my bad.

Skippy the not very bright uneducated Greeny Kangyroo is kind of sad and pathetic as she tries and fails to sound intelligent. Her weak mind is just not up to mixing it with the big boys.

juliar wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:59am:


Do you think the Guardian made up the quotes?

The utter disgrace and shaming of the disgusting Greenies continues...


Australia produced 1.3 per cent of the planet’s emissions, compared with China’s 27.5 per cent and the 14.75 per cent that comes from the US.

Mr Joyce, a former deputy prime minister, said people were “once again talking about indigenous land management” because there were too many regulations around controlled burning ahead of bushfire season.

“We haven’t had the capacity to easily access (hazard) reduction burns because of all of the paperwork that is part of green policy,” Mr Joyce said.



Shine Energy chief executive Ash Dodd, an indigenous businessman trying to build a coal-fired power station in central Queensland, said traditional owners had undertaken hazard ­reduction to manage the fire risk “since time immemorial”.



The report, itself a follow up to a highly critical audit of QFES in 2014, had “improved its visibility and oversight” of bushfire risk, ­including establishing the Office of Bushfire Mitigation and area fire management groups. However, the audit office said the authority had not fully implemented any of the original 2014 recommendations despite committing to do so by the following year.

University of Wollongong bushfire management expert Professor Ross Bradstock said it was misguided to blame insufficient hazard reduction for the massive bushfires.

“Hazard reduction work in general has increased in NSW,” Professor Bradstock said. “There has been better targeting, so it is being done where it is more effective. We may find there are major success stories where properties have been saved.”

Professor Bradstock said there were always going to be limitations to the effectiveness of such preventative measures.

Despite $100m spent on hazard reduction, he said, “it only mitigates a small amount of risk”.

Labor Senate leader Penny Wong said the immediate focus should be on firefighters battling the blazes, as well as people at risk and those grieving lost loved ones.

“But I will say, it is the responsible thing, when we are through this current crisis, to focus on what we have to do to keep Australians safe,” she told parliament.

“When I was climate minister, scientists were already warning of more intense fire seasons. Regrettably, these warnings have been proved correct.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/greens-playing-politics-with-fi...

juliar wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:08am:


listen you degenerate piece of sh.t he gave you a direct quote from scumo and all you can do is hurl insults for no reason at all.

The not very bright uneducated ignoramus Greeny is reaching the limit of her backward schoolgirl's mind and becoming erratic and abusive. Classic dumb Greeny.

and just to confound and ridicule this idiotic dumb Greeny.


Bushfire have been occurring for many years and are a natural occurrence and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Greenies'' fraudulent Climate Change SCAM which is all bulldust.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:38am:


it only knows how to copy and paste which nobody ever reads and any original thought is just hurling abuse. Just another retard like the rest of the LNP supporters

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:38am:


Yeah, I did it again. 



It is infuriating, especially given that I've got friends and family that have been evacuated, that someone, in this case Juliar, would exploit this topic to spread yet more lies.

But you're right, I'll leave her alone so she can spew her vile bullshit without me.

Other than the other tards on here trolling, any rational person can see through her lies anyway, it doesn't need to be corrected.  Those who can't aren't going to respond to reason or reality anyway.

They're all lost causes.

I hope she's at least well compensated.  I can't think of a worse job then having to come here, constantly tell blatant lies and then having to reject the facts and just attack random strangers online to pretend you have a leg up over them.

Takes a real piece of poo to do that day in day out for what looks like years now, nearly 3000 days...

It's interesting that she is still here, after all this time, doing the same thing over and over...

Have fun Juliar.

Nothing in the post linking it to AGW. So tell us when the climate was stable?

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:50am:


You are getting hysterical Lee. There is plenty there linking the fires to AGW:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/02/pm-scott-morrison-defends-climate-policies-and-asks-australians-to-be-patient-over-fires

The prime minister made a point of acknowledging the link between reducing emissions and protecting environments against worsening bushfire seasons, but despite mounting criticism maintained his government’s current policies struck the right balance.

“Our climate policy settings are to meet and beat the emissions reduction targets, emissions reduction under our government is 50m tonnes more than the previous government and we want to see them continue for this country and continue to better the achievements we have already made, with measures that achieve that,” he said.

“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:59am:



If you say so petal. You are getting increasingly hysterically funny.

So name these  links. Not climate models but observational links.

And don't use the CSIRO/BoM study that only went back to 1970. We had climate change before that.

The Guardian is just Lefty biased trashy propaganda.

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:16pm:


Are you asking me to backup Morrison's comments while you are still too afraid to acknowledge he said them?

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 6:11pm:



No petal you said there were plenty of links to AGW

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 6:11pm:

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No links there.

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:


I like that graph.  I am definitely saving it!   

But hey, the axis is wrong.  It says, the lesser the pirates there are, the hotter it is. 

juliar wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 6:18pm:


Tickyrosy is trying to rearrange your thought pattern.

Juliar did you notice that even Morrison is linking the fires to climate change?

FD you are being tricked by clever devious ScoMo's double speak.

ScoMo can afford to be a bit dicey after he has turned the bushfires into a massive vote winner for HIM.


Yadda Yadda is trying to link the bushfires to Allah's fury at the infidels here who are not following Sharia Law like Yadda Yadda does.

An absence of controlled burns would invite uncontrolled burns — such as the gigantic wildfires that have ravaged much of this drought-hit nation since September.

As those fires roared through Australia’s eastern coast, killing residents and volunteer firefighters and destroying hundreds of houses, a not-unrelated court report appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald. It told the story of 71-year-old John David Chia, who in 2014 paid contractors to cut down and remove 74 trees on and around his property.

The judge in this case noted that Chia’s primary motivation for the tree removal was ‘his concern about the risk of fire at his property’, but found also the Sydney pensioner’s actions had caused ‘substantial harm’ to the environment. Chia ended up copping a $40,000 fine — more than $500 for each tree.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/01/fight-fire-with-fire-controlled-burning-cou...

Even minor attempts to reduce that fuel load are punished. Let’s suppose, for example, you have a wood fireplace at your rural house. Doing the right thing by the law and the environment, you do not cut down any trees to use as firewood. Instead, you simply collect dead branches and fallen trees lying around in the bushland dirt. This also reduces the amount of fuel available for potential bushfires, so you’re on the side of the angels.

But wait! Heed the warning from NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service Central West area manager Fiona Buchanan, in April last year: ‘We are getting the message out there that removing firewood, including deadwood and fallen trees, is not permitted in national parks. We want people to know the rules around firewood collection… It’s important people are aware that on-the-spot fines apply but also very large fines can be handed out by the courts.’

The sick diseased Lunatic Extremist Greenies are TRAITORS!!!!!  Exterminate them!!!!

Oh that dreadful Climate Warrior the Greeny BRossy is still fowling this site with his biased Greeny rubbish.

After the bushfires you would think a Greeny like him would be so ashamed he would just crawl out of sight into Munk's GetUp! Propaganda Site.

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 6:11pm:




Why should I, Soren?  You'll just reject anything I post.  Tsk, tsk, nothing like a closed mind, now is there? 

NBrian Ross wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 7:06pm:

I knew you had nothing. We all did.


It never stopped you from posting poo just because I rejected it before, Bwian. But now that you actually have to back something up, you go to water. Dishonest coward, liar, dissembler, Typical.

Oh that dreadful Climate Warrior the Greeny BRossy is still fowling this site with his biased Greeny rubbish.

After the bushfires you would think a Greeny like him would be so ashamed he would just crawl out of sight into Munk's GetUp! Propaganda Site.

He should stay in Munk's GetUp! Propaganda Site.

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 5:20pm:


Do your own research, Soren.   Try using google for scientific evidence in support of Climate Change.  It isn't hard. 

He also correctly linked the fires to climate change. Did you notice that?

FD is talking absolute Rubbish.

ScoMo DID NOT link the bushfires to the Greeny Climate Change SCAM. Why would he as it is all absolute rubbish.

ScoMo CORRECTLY said the bushfires and drought are a result of the natural cyclic events of the Indian Dipole and the SAM - both naturally cyclically reoccurring phenomena which have been around for hundreds of years.

The ferocity of the fires was entirely caused by the vile guilty Greenies banning the clearance of undergrowth.

juliar wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 4:10pm:


The only rubbish is coming out of your narrow arse socko

juliar wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 4:10pm:


From the article:

The prime minister made a point of acknowledging the link between reducing emissions and protecting environments against worsening bushfire seasons, but despite mounting criticism maintained his government’s current policies struck the right balance.

“Our climate policy settings are to meet and beat the emissions reduction targets, emissions reduction under our government is 50m tonnes more than the previous government and we want to see them continue for this country and continue to better the achievements we have already made, with measures that achieve that,” he said.

“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country.

Morrison also referred to the government’s plans to review “all contributing factors” to the prolonged fire season, which included the inquiry into land clearing, which was set up in early December, to review policies across the states.

“Other issues of how you manage hazard reduction are important because, as you say, the impact, more broadly, of climate change on these issues has a pronounced effect on the length of the fire season,” he said.

“That, equally then has a need to address issues around hazard reduction for national parks, dealing with land-clearing laws, zoning laws and planning walls around people’s properties and where they can be built in countries like Australia, up and down the coast. That being the case with the climatic effects of what we are seeing, there are many restrictions around those effects that have to be reviewed on the basis on the broader climatic effect we are seeing in this country.”

The not very bright Greeny crawls out to show why she is considered to be not very bright. Her uneducated ignorance of the subject is legendary.

How is this ambiguous?

“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country

FD is totally bamboozled by tricky ScoMo's double speak designed to fool the gullible voters fooled by the Greeny's Climate Change SCAM.

On 2GB this morning ScoMo said HIS idea of Climate Change is to build more dams and to reduce undergrowth.

I notice Morriscum still uses per capita statistics to corrupt the true lack of progress his Government has made....Per capita has more to do with increased population than lower emissions!!!

juliar wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 11:42am:

Thanks ever so for the intelligent overvue. You will however be in shock once the ‘Greeny lies’ come to pass and you’re caught in the middle of it.

FD,believe whatever you want to think it means. I do not care as I KNOW what ScoMo meant.

Is Eyes Up Groggy in disguise ?

The Greenies' Climate Change is nothing but a SCAM to fraudulently try to generate interest in the UN One World Socialist "Govt" in a Sustainable World farce.

How is this thread still going?

It's not hard to understand, he said it, the quote is word for word, in black and white?

Is it just Juliar denying it now?

Understandably Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo hasn't got a clue.

But the perfect solution for FD who likes endless circles.

Go back to the post where I explained what the Indian Dipole and the SAM is and then advance ONE post at a time until...

Quote:


Is that what Morrison was talking about when he said GHG emissions?

This is not just a theory, it is based on “observational evidence”, that is, scientists have data that shows the increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is coming from fossil fuels and land clearing.

AND NIGHTS ARE GETTING HOTTER

We can also look at other observational data to help strengthen the theory.

If the Earth was warming up because of increasing sunlight, then you would expect temperatures during the day to increase and for it to be cooler at night (because there is no sun at night!).

However, what scientists found is that nights were actually warming up more so than days.

This points to greenhouse gases playing a role.

As noted above, greenhouse gases trap heat radiation from the Earth and stop it from being released into space as quickly.

This effect can be seen for example, on nights with more clouds, which don’t cool down as much as there is more water vapour in the atmosphere.

In contrast, deserts are more cool at night because there is not as much water vapour over these areas, and it’s a similar story in coastal areas.

So if nights are warming up more than days, it’s unlikely that the sun is playing a role in this, it’s more likely that greenhouse gases are trapping heat on Earth and pushing up temperatures.

Scientists have also looked at temperatures in the Earth’s stratosphere, which is the layer of the atmosphere from about 10km up.

The stratosphere warms because the ozone layer it contains absorbs the sun’s ultraviolent radiation.

If there was more sunlight, you would expect the upper atmosphere to warm up because it was absorbing more ultraviolet rays.

But if there was an increase in greenhouse gases then you would expect the stratosphere to be cooler because carbon dioxide is efficient, not only at absorbing heat radiation but also at releasing it into space, cooling it down.

“Observations have shown that the surface and lower atmosphere have warmed, and the upper atmosphere has cooled in the last 50 years — the entire time we’ve been monitoring it through balloons and other satellites,” Prof Karoly said.

“This pattern of temperature change has happened everywhere and cannot be explained by increasing sunlight,” he said. “And it’s been getting stronger, which is exactly what you would expect from increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.”

NOW ADD COMPUTERS TO THE EQUATION

The first approach to looking at climate change is “observational data” but you can also use complex mathematical models of the climate system.

Around the world, Prof Karoly said more than 50 complex climate models had been developed to test climate theories on a larger scale.

While some may question how scientists could simulate the climate when they can’t forecast the weather over long periods of time, Prof Karoly said it was because the climate models looked at levels of radiation, which determine long-term climate.

“Models solve physical equations for the absorption and transmission of radiation in the atmosphere, and for the motion of the air, and for the motions of the ocean,” he said.

These simulations have shown that without human influences there would not be any long-term warming trend.

Temperatures would have stayed pretty much the same with only two-tenths of a degree of warming.

Instead the world has warmed by 1.1 degrees and the warming over Australia has been even higher than the global average, at 1.5 degrees.

This is because land warms up faster than the ocean.

WHAT ABOUT THE BUSHFIRES?

So how does this relate to the catastrophic bushfires that have raged across Australia in recent months?

Higher mean temperatures give rise to a greater chance of heatwaves and hot extremes, Prof Karoly said.

“We have good observational data of the current summer and the last 50 years,” he said.

“There have been marked increases in heatwaves and hot days in all parts of Australia.”

Australia experienced its hottest and driest year on record in 2019 and December 2019 had a number of Australia’s hottest days ever recorded.

“We have also seen increases in sea levels, exactly what you would expect from climate change and the warming of ocean waters and melting of ice sheets and glaciers on land.”

When it comes to the intensity of bushfires, Prof Karoly said there are certain factors that were known to be important.

The McArthur Forest Fire Danger Index was developed to measure the degree of fire danger in Australian forests and the likelihood they will occur.

It combines factors including the temperature of air, wind speed, the dryness of the air (measured by relative humidity) and the dryness of the fuel and the ground (measured by rainfall over the previous month).

“So the combination of high temperatures, strong winds, low humidity and no rainfall leads to extreme fire danger,” Prof Karoly said.

These were exactly the conditions experienced in NSW and southern Queensland in September and October where there were record high temperatures and low humidity.

These conditions were also experienced in Canberra, coastal NSW and particularly East Gippsland in Victoria, which was why there was extreme fire danger in these areas.

The next question is whether climate change caused these conditions.

Prof Karoly says climate change has led to higher temperatures, as discussed above, but it’s unlikely it had a major role in the drought conditions.

So what do you think Juliar? Does the article say what it says?

PZ547 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 1:21pm:


Link?

He probably doesn't do the same because it reeks of OCD. What would be the point?

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2020 at 8:46am:


Just keep touching on that issue... hammering that point - it might get through ...