Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5
th, 2020 at 4:25pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 5
th, 2020 at 3:53pm:
What's to like and cherish about Islam? I can't think of anything. Can you, Bwian?
What do you uphold and cherish about Islam?
There are lost of abhorrent ideologies and religions. Why can't people abhor Islam? Is it special in any way?
I think you mean "a host". Is Islamophobia one? How about Xenophobia? Racism? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. seems we are talking about Soren's problems.
You don't need to cherish Islam or even like it, all you need do is tolerate it. Of course the Islam I am talking about is not the Islam you delight in describing.
The Islam I am describing is the non-violent, non-aggressive, moderate, non-radical kind that the overwhelming majority of most Muslims practice. Afterall, most Muslims are no worse than most other religious people, now aren't they, Soren?
The Islam I am describing
is the non-violent, [
NON-EXISTENT
]
non-aggressive, [
NON-EXISTENT
]
moderate, [
NON-EXISTENT
]
non-radical kind [
NON-EXISTENT
]
that the overwhelming majority of most Muslims practice.
"non-violent, non-aggressive,"
QUESTION;Is the deity of this idealised ISLAM called
Allah -
who calls for fighting and killing disbelievers ?
QUESTION;Is the holy book of this idealised ISLAM called the
Koran -
the words of Allah, which calls for fighting and killing disbelievers ?
QUESTION;Is the messenger of this idealised ISLAM called
Mohammed -
the messenger of Allah, who calls for fighting and killing disbelievers ?
Brian,
If your ISLAM is not associated with those entities....
Please enlighten us.
In which nation is this [
your] idealised ISLAM ...
PRACTICED.
Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1552398731/0#0.
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Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29
"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger,
even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22
"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends,
such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23
"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51
"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe!
Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111
"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29
"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you,
enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4
THE DEATH CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT, OF ALLEGIANCE TO ALLAH's RELIGION...
"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah,
to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!" "
Koran 62.06
....
n.b. Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer, that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem], is to die, fighting in Allah's cause. !!!
and on, and on, and on.....