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Reply #210 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:48pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 7:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 4:51pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 3:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

skip, you are over analysing it.
if you were a golfer you would definitely get the 'yips"

its far better to just "pay attention'.

now, trump just feels his way into the situation.
he's in the moment
time is slowing down for the great man.

he doesnt need all this policy/schmolicy.

he just has this 6th sense.

And this is why he will continue to fail and never be an effective leader.

End of story.

Any leader, be their democratically elected or a dictatorship who ignores reality or the facts will always and have always failed.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. When you add Trumps "Burn all those who don't adore me" trait and soon enough he'll be just another footnote in the story of the lazy ego-driven "alpha" chronicles.

you are correct IF the democrats put up a centrist candidate.
but the donald has been "paying attention".

he knows that tribalism will result in his opponent being an identity politics driven idealogue.

and trump eats those types for breakfast.(in his alpha sort of way)

he is "lucky" to have a foolish opponent
but he also "pays attention"

His opponent in 2016 beat him by 3,000,000 votes.

Did you forget that little fact?

The Democrat JFK was also beaten in the polls yet won the election.

Of course the leftards never mention this fact.

Yes, Barron, but the Democrat JFK won over 100,000 more votes than Nixon, so maybe you're referring to another poll.

And they say that the only poll that counts is the one on erection day. What a load of KRAP.

Hillary won more votes than JFK.

The game's RIGGED.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131477 Gender:	Re: Trump SMASHES Iran... Reply #211 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:55pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:25pm: The Democrat JFK was also beaten in the polls yet won the election. The popular vote, in the 1960 election? Kennedy received 34,220,984 votes. Nixon received 34,108,157 votes. When I went to school, 34,220,984 was more than 34,108,157. You?
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Reply #212 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

The Democrat JFK was also beaten in the polls yet won the election.

The popular vote, in the 1960 election?

Kennedy received 34,220,984 votes.

Nixon received 34,108,157 votes.

When I went to school, 34,220,984 was more than 34,108,157.

You?

Sure, but who won the tenured professor vote?

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Reply #213 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

The Democrat JFK was also beaten in the polls yet won the election.

The popular vote, in the 1960 election?

Kennedy received 34,220,984 votes.

Nixon received 34,108,157 votes.

When I went to school, 34,220,984 was more than 34,108,157.

You?

Sure, but who won the tenured professor vote?

Baron's crunching the numbers right now.

Baron ... ? Undecided

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Reply #214 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

The Democrat JFK was also beaten in the polls yet won the election.

The popular vote, in the 1960 election?

Kennedy received 34,220,984 votes.

Nixon received 34,108,157 votes.

When I went to school, 34,220,984 was more than 34,108,157.

You?

Sure, but who won the tenured professor vote?

Baron's crunching the numbers right now.

Baron ... ? Undecided

We'll wait and see, okay?

As long as we agree that facts don't matter because of the new paradigm.

See Haidt's graph in the other thread. Scientific, innit.

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Reply #215 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:22am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 4:51pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 3:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

skip, you are over analysing it.
if you were a golfer you would definitely get the 'yips"

its far better to just "pay attention'.

now, trump just feels his way into the situation.
he's in the moment
time is slowing down for the great man.

he doesnt need all this policy/schmolicy.

he just has this 6th sense.

And this is why he will continue to fail and never be an effective leader.

End of story.

Any leader, be their democratically elected or a dictatorship who ignores reality or the facts will always and have always failed.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. When you add Trumps "Burn all those who don't adore me" trait and soon enough he'll be just another footnote in the story of the lazy ego-driven "alpha" chronicles.

you are correct IF the democrats put up a centrist candidate.

The type of leader the Dems put up doesn't matter, it makes no difference on the type of leader Trump is.

The left need to put up a leader who, if elected, could repair the damage Trump has done and prepare the nation for the changed to the landscape of the economy and workforce we're all getting ever closer to. Right now Trump is entrenching the old ways which is great for his wealthy donors (don't kid yourself, he's never been self funded) and if the leadership waits too long, America will no longer be looked to as the world leader.

America is already being left out of important trade and treaty negotiations by other world leaders, the next step will be hard to claw back from.

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Reply #216 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:37am

I put it to you sad Skippy
That the type of leader the democrats put up very much matters

And the likelihood is that they will put up a proponent of identity politics
Trump has been very cunning
He has baited the democratic party
And they have become unhinged and being driven further into the arms of the radicals

Because when trump launchers a triggering tweet
It is the radicals who respond
Trump knows this in fact his banking on it

And when the radicals respond
A centrist democrats have to circle the wagons around the radicals

And real America looks at this as a horror show
When the left are circling the wagons around the true marxists
And people like the squad
Which is what they are doing

Then enormous numbers of real Americans say
The squad do not represent the interests of centrist America
And whilst trump is a bit of a weird guy
If the economy doesn't tank
Far safer to stick with him

The Dow is at record heights
Unemployment is at record lows

There is no way that the fine people of real America
Are going to go with the radical left candidate

Hilary wasn't actually radical at all
She was very centrist
Hence the reason she got 3 million more votes than Donald
Donald had to devise a strategy to claw those votes back
And baiting the radical left
Is just a brilliant strategy
Divide and rule Wink

It's interesting that you're Pall Kamal
I's so derogatory in his analysis
Of Jonathan haidt

Haidt and the
Orthodox academy have actually been hired by centrist democrats
Quite a lot of them actually
To try and improve their position for the election

So if Kamal wants to present height
As some sort of fox media stooge
He should be aware that height
Says he has always voted democrat
And is now working with democrats to try to undo the damage
Not done by trump
But done by the identity politics radicals within the democratic party

I will await a silly comment from Gregory and Kamal now Roll Eyes

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Reply #217 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 8:49am

Karnal believes what he's read about Haidt's ideas, dear. Karnal's educated himself. Strangely though, Haidt says the exact opposite of what you said he said.

A typo, I'm sure. You probably meant height.

Mr Trump's masterful strategy of triggering the leftards is exactly the problem Haidt addresses. Mr Trump even does it when he deals with foreign leaders, like Zalensky.

Sad's point above is that Mr Trump's masterful strategy neglects the global economy and America's place in it. Mr Trump's former economic advisor Garry Cohn raised this with him back in 2017: what are we doing about jobs lost to automation? Why the focus on manufacturing trade deficits?

Mr Trump couldn't say. Cohn ended up resigning, as all do.

Not you though, dear. You'd lay down your life for the Donald, no?

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Reply #218 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

The Democrat JFK was also beaten in the polls yet won the election.

The popular vote, in the 1960 election?

Kennedy received 34,220,984 votes.

Nixon received 34,108,157 votes.

When I went to school, 34,220,984 was more than 34,108,157.

You?

Baron?

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Reply #219 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:18am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

Karnal believes what he's read about Haidt's ideas, dear. Karnal's educated himself. Strangely though, Haidt says the exact opposite of what you said he said.

A typo, I'm sure. You probably meant height.

Mr Trump's masterful strategy of triggering the leftards is exactly the problem Haidt addresses. Mr Trump even does it when he deals with foreign leaders, like Zalensky.

Sad's point above is that Mr Trump's masterful strategy neglects the global economy and America's place in it. Mr Trump's former economic advisor Garry Cohn raised this with him back in 2017: what are we doing about jobs lost to automation? Why the focus on manufacturing trade deficits?

Mr Trump couldn't say. Cohn ended up resigning, as all do.

Not you though, dear. You'd lay down your life for the Donald, no?

So if you think that trump is a problem
And you want to see an end to that problem

Do you think you should do what Jonathan haidy says
And inform sensible democrats about how to move the party back to the centre
And inform sensible democrats that they need to stand up to the radical left

Because what I have seen
Is that to get status in the democratic party
Particularly now that trump has succeeded in making both parties tribal
You have to be at the extreme edges of policy
And the radicals get all the status and all the oxygen
Because that is what always happens once people are forced into their tribes

See the democrats started this tribal nonsense with their identity politics
They got blindsided by trump
And now trump has managed to keep them on the wrong path

The centrist democrats must be tearing their hair out
Trump has managed to totally wedge them
By triggering the radicals

Smart move by the Donald
But you already knew that

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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 14879 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Trump SMASHES Iran... Reply #220 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:30am aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:37am: I put it to you sad Skippy That the type of leader the democrats put up very much matters It matters in terms of electability yes, but we were talking about Trump, you've changed the goalposts again.
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Reply #221 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:44am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:37am:

I put it to you sad Skippy
That the type of leader the democrats put up very much matters

It matters in terms of electability yes, but we were talking about Trump, you've changed the goalposts again.

Hey skip I'm trying to help you brother

Trump is a bit of a weird guy
No one has any trouble coming up with criticisms of trump

But trump's just on his own trajectory
If the democrats want to beat him this year
For the 100 th time
They need to start paying attention

Trump for all his faults gets the American people
And he gets the strategy
Which gets him four more years

Rile up the liberals
Get them to put up an unacceptable progressive candidate
And then just trot off to Twitter
And point out all the ways in which that progressive candidate
Is unacceptable to mainstream America

And the fact that the democrats are nearly all university educated
Probably in the field of humanities
By professors who are overwhelmingly ideologically to the left
Results in a democratic party
Which simply does not understand
That it's virtues are not the virtues of middle America

The opposite of paying attention
Is wilful blindness
It's so much easier to be willfully blind
it's so much easier to do a course in the humanities when everybody is on the same page
Trouble is
There are consequences for your wilful blindness

And trump is the consequence

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Reply #223 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 10:00am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:44am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:37am:

I put it to you sad Skippy
That the type of leader the democrats put up very much matters

It matters in terms of electability yes, but we were talking about Trump, you've changed the goalposts again.

Hey skip I'm trying to help you brother

Trump is a bit of a weird guy
No one has any trouble coming up with criticisms of trump

The current cirticism was that he relies on his gut rather than facts or reality and you were saying that to justify the strike in the shadow of he and his team lying about why they did it and not being able to justify the "imminent threat" excuse.

You're trying to defend that through obfuscation and distraction by changing the goal posts and trying to steer the discussion away from that.

No.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

now, trump just feels his way into the situation.
he's in the moment
time is slowing down for the great man.

he doesnt need all this policy/schmolicy.

he just has this 6th sense.

like a native american stalking a deer.
totally in a flow state.

and the flow state said 'strike now".

"The leader doesn't need policy, facts or an understanding of a given situation, just his feelings"

Are you a lefty Scoot?

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SerialBrain9 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2063	Re: Trump SMASHES Iran... Reply #224 - Jan 16^th, 2020 at 10:24am I’m just wondering if KangaNong dresses like Cryin Chuck and Crazy Nancy. Who would have ever thought that Trump could get the Democrats, and there liberal followers, to be cheerleaders for the Terrorist country Iran?
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